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VTS Toys 1/6 Wasteland Ranger - Furiosa (Do Venders Have an Out?; UPDATED: 5/18/18)

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Stryker2011

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GubernatorFan wrote:
Rogerbee wrote:I wouldn't be entirely surprised if there is another third party Furiosa out there. I'm sure I saw a head on FB. Just keep your eyes peeled in case one emerges. If one does, the VTS might provide spares.

Well, there is THIS and I own one, but it's not nearly as nice in hand, and even if it were, it would still be fairly far from perfect. Besides, with Furiosa, you really need not only the head and outfit, but also that mechanical arm device.

This is true. But sadly, the size of the VTS figure is going to make a body swap virtually impossible, as everything would be undersized. I doubt you’d even be able to get her pants on a Phicen, which are the only female bodies tall enough to mimic Charlize’s height. The head would also then be too small, and probably the arm. As someone over at the Freaks pointed out, hopefully some other third party manufacturer is looking at this VTS debacle and seeing an opportunity, and will make an entire new figure.


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Rogerbee

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I thought one of the ZBrush guys on FB was doing one, Vimal Kerketta maybe. Might be worth checking some of the FB groups.

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Asta

Asta
First post here, copied from my post on OSW. Still finding my way around this page - it's all so new and confusing. :lol




Furiosa is one of VTS' best figures. Really intricately detailed.

She just happens to be very petite at only 10.5" from boots soles to the top of her head.

They used their smallest body and didn't even add ankle extenders. As Charlize Theron's character she scales at 1/6.65. So not much use for displaying with their Max, nor any 1/6 figure unless you resolve yourself to the idea that this is either teenage Furiosa from an unmade prequel, or merely a generic one-armed post-apocalyptic teen .

And that's what I did. Sounds like quite a few customers cancelled when given the option by their retailers, but I love this figure for what she is.

The sculpt is one of those that's hard to photograph, as in hand the paint and detail is nice. Camera flash here is killing it, but I'm no photographer.

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Hot Toys' Jyn here is perfectly scaled for the 5' 3" Felicity Jones, whereas Charlize is over 5' 9":

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Stryker2011

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I've seen someone over at the Freaks swapped out the body (I think), and added ankle extenders. I honestly think it looks worse with the ankle extenders added, cause now it looks like she's some kind of mutant with really long skinny legs. I didn't say anything over there, as most of those people are too clicky and very sensitive.


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Asta

Asta
Stryker2011 wrote:I've seen someone over at the Freaks swapped out the body (I think), and added ankle extenders. I honestly think it looks worse with the ankle extenders added, cause now it looks like she's some kind of mutant with really long skinny legs. I didn't say anything over there, as most of those people are too clicky and very sensitive.

I think that would be the HT Pepper Potts body, with the Furiosa arms plugged onto it.

It did look odd. That's why I took the extenders out of mine.


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GubernatorFan

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Thank you for the extra photos, Asta. I was very divided on this one, and after plenty of mental flip-flopping, decided to cancel my pre-order. I don't know if it was the right decision or whether I will end up regretting it. It would be exceedingly difficult to make a good custom Furiosa without this set, but as is being brought up time and again, it is just designed at too small a scale.


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Asta

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GubernatorFan wrote:Thank you for the extra photos, Asta. I was very divided on this one, and after plenty of mental flip-flopping, decided to cancel my pre-order. I don't know if it was the right decision or whether I will end up regretting it. It would be exceedingly difficult to make a good custom Furiosa without this set, but as is being brought up time and again, it is just designed at too small a scale.

Yes, if you really want a 1/6 scale Furiosa, then this isn't a figure to buy. She'll only work if you separate her completely so that you have no scale reference.

When I made my decision that she was no longer Fury Road Furiosa I gave her stand to the Art Figures Max, and let her have his plain black stand. And I added the chunky watch to cover her wrist joint.

I quite like the extra variety in figure heights. I have the little Asmus X23 Lauras, Kumik's Mathilda, CGL's John Connor and Carl Grimes, and now Furiosa and the matching DAM IDF girls, and the larger PopToys type bodies that are often used by companies for unlicensed figures.


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blackpool

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I just grabbed her for 110$, at that price I couldn't resist, it seems that a lot fo people cancelled their order, for those interested to grab the pieces, it's a fair deal!

I'll post some pics as soon as I get her, and I'll surely try to swap the body to increase a little the height. Not very scared about the head being undersized, hot toys recently enlarged their headsculpts and bodies on female figures.

Anyway I'll keep you posted Smile

Andrew

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Managed to sell mine on sharpish thank goodness, not long after it arrived from Kit. She looks very young in the photos. Reminded me more of Eleven than Charlize


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Here is a in hand shot from an instagram friend, the hight difference is not that crazy...

Rogerbee

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Max is scooched a bit there though, and it's a low angle. You can get away with a lot with the right camera angle.

I think we should chalk this up as a wasted opportunity and move on

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DeltaForceChung

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OH . . .

Where do I begin?

I held off on commenting until after I read all the posts/replies here.

Ever since Furiosa was released, I read much complaints, criticisms, and vitriol to the point of beating a dead horse.

Yes.

We collectors got screwed over by VTS / DAM. Kudos to Steve at Timewalker for offering an "out" to those who wanted an "out" on their pre-order.

Here is the thing though. There are collectors who knew of the height issue PRIOR to paying for / receiving their pre-orders given the buzz about the figure prior to its formal release as well as a variety of in hand pictures online from Asia before it reached the US.

Even with that . . . the discussion has been ongoing consistency with basically complaints about the figure's height.

It's done. It's over with. VTS / DAM will never apologize let alone acknowledge they screwed up.

There are many discussions about how to salvage it, etc.

My question is how come those who knew ahead of time of the height issue still purchased it and still complaining almost non-stop about it?

It's mind boggling. I admit I too have posted much vitriol in the past about certain failures and let down such as how PHICEN screwed up Bettie Page, but over the time I let it go like Elsa from Disney's Frozen. I comprehend and understand the anger and disappointment by many. I really do, but again this is akin to non-stop beating a dead horse.

OH, WELL.

Asta

Asta
DeltaForceChung wrote:My question is how come those who knew ahead of time of the height issue still purchased it and still complaining almost non-stop about it?

It's mind boggling.  I admit I too have posted much vitriol in the past about certain failures and let down such as how PHICEN screwed up Bettie Page, but over the time I let it go like Elsa from Disney's Frozen.  I comprehend and understand the anger and disappointment by many.  I really do, but again this is akin to non-stop beating a dead horse.

OH, WELL.


If there's a horse to beat some people just can't help beating it. They won't stop until the horse is dead.

Since the horse will never die, these people will go on and on. I guess that's the definition of a 'troll'. And that's when message boards start to get so depressing. Everything is tainted with so much negativity, with little give or take, or a more constructive approach. It's as though some people just want you to be as miserable as they are!


I knew Furiosa was going to be very short, but I wasn't going to cancel my order with Kit because I wanted her.

She scales at 1/6.65 if you consider her to be Charlize Theron. Some are trying to port her over to a larger body, but I think the results are mixed.

I tried ankle pegs to make her taller, but I really prefer her stock, petite proportions. I like how she looks along side other figures, as a post-apocalyptic teenager. She reminds me more of an older Eleven from Stranger Things.

She is what she is, and I really like her. Can't fault the intricacy and detailing in the outfit and accessories.


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Stryker2011

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Asta has the right attitude for anyone who bought this, knowing what they were getting, and can appreciate it for what it is. I canceled my PO. I almost missed out on their Max figure, until I saw in-hand pics, and then I was able to get the last slot at Timewalker, but that was only after I saw the PO announcement for Furiosa. I really only purchased Max because of her. And like a lot of people, I assumed, since he turned out so good, that she would too. And after a long delay, we get this. Now, I have no intention of getting rid of Max, because it really is a cool figure, but it is immensely disappointing how badly Furiosa turned out, and I’m bummed I don’t get to add her to the collection. But, yeah, all the people who kept their order when they were given the chance to drop it, and still keep complaining... that’s just plain stupid.


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Asta

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Stryker2011 wrote:And like a lot of people, I assumed, since he turned out so good, that she would too. And after a long delay, we get this. Now, I have no intention of getting rid of Max, because it really is a cool figure, but it is immensely disappointing how badly Furiosa turned out, and I’m bummed I don’t get to add her to the collection.

The Furiosa issue has undoubtedly sent shock waves through the hobby. Other companies have surely noted this, and may see an opportunity to cash in on the disappointment.

Art Figures is one of the more likely companies. They seemed to be in direct competition with VTS for a time by releasing versions of the same figures.

The snag will be finding a mass produced body that will satisfy customers in terms of scale and quality, while keeping the price reasonable for a figure that requires a fair bit of complexity.

VTS cut one big corner to keep the price down.

But never say never!


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blackpool

blackpool
I received mine, and honestly I had two big surprises... Sorry in advance for the lil rant, but I'm a bit tired of the regular super exagerated criticism and negativity that often comes with the wolfpack effect...

First the headsculpt quality, both the sculpting and the painting are beyond good, she has a strong likeness under most angles, and the details are really well executed... So next time I read that it has nothing to do with the quality of pictures, I take my shotgun... The poor pictures that were displayed as first in hands pics were so freaking ugly I honestly think it was made on purpose to create a negative buzz on the figure, Seriously!

Apart from the size of the figure, the only major difference from the promo shots is the black oil war paint on her forehead. Nothing to discuss on that point, it is totally different, BUT it is not an excuse to call the figure bulshit from A to Z and claim it has nothing to do with the prototype... The tailoring, the armor parts and mecha-arm, all the guns, everything is 99% identical to the promo shots, and having watched again fury road recently, very accurate to the movie.
Again I don't understand people saying it is a "complete" failure... that sounds dishonest, even more from people that only rely on a couple of poor phone pics... I can take poor pics of any hot toys figure if needed guys...

Now about the size, I totally agree she is petite, definitely VTS made a big mistake not especially on furiosa, but between furiosa and max. I have the "mad racer" from art figures on which I just swapped the head for the el1ev1en version, and the size difference is not as crazy, he is only one head taller than her which sounds quite normal... So my thought is VTS mistake is 50% on furiosa and 50% on max that has an oversized head, and is a bit too tall as well.
On that part I totally understand the disapointment and the cancelled orders as the logic plan is to display them side by side!

As for some strong criticism, the very ugly part of both these figures are the molded boots, max has some laced brown shoes, nothing to do with his biker boots in the movie, and furiosa has some tactical grey boots, just as ugly and totally inacurate, plus they are very limitating for the posing.

Asta

Asta
blackpool wrote:As for some strong criticism, the very ugly part of both these figures are the molded boots, max has some laced brown shoes, nothing to do with his biker boots in the movie, and furiosa has some tactical grey boots, just as ugly and totally inacurate, plus they are very limitating for the posing.


Without going and looking I think they got Max's boots right. He wore the lace-up ones after his iconic biker boots were taken.

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The black lines on Furiosa's boots aren't laces, but a heavy handed approximation of the creases in the leather. VTS' design is pretty close, but the real boots themselves look a bit different in photos. For example, the placement of the flap that goes over the toe:

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blackpool

blackpool
You're right on the "heavy approximation", seeing your reference pictures I think what gives me this feeling is both the deep leather creases that look more like laces than stitched leather, and the side straps that are missing on the VTS rendition...

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As for Max's boots, I was thinking about "his" original boots yes, the iconic ones (btw in the movie he looses one only during the storm chase, and replaces it with one from the remaining warboy, in the end we don't know where he got his tactical laced boots which he wears on the second half of the movie lol)

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Asta

Asta
Looking again at Furiosa's boots, it looks like three different pairs.

The first one has the toe strap but no side strap.

The second has the side strap, but no toestrap.

The third has both.

confused


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blackpool

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Asta wrote:Looking again at Furiosa's boots, it looks like three different pairs.

The first one has the toe strap but no side strap.

The second has the side strap, but no toestrap.

The third has both.

confused

I was confused too looking at them lol, indeed you're right I think they are three different pairs, the stitches on the toe area are different too... surprising!

GubernatorFan

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It wouldn't be the first time a film used multiple props that weren't quite identical and didn't ensure complete continuity.


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I kind of get a kick out of the "pack mentality" that seems to run rampant on forums and Spacebook and the like. People really feel like the "shield of anonymity" applies to them. Indeed, it does not. 'Nuff said.

What it really boils down to is, if you wouldn't make the comment to someone's face, why would you do so on-line? I actually had someone who lives just down the street from me put up a post through a neighborhood Spacebook page calling me out on a financial decision a group I was in made for our neighborhood. He talked some pretty serious trash and mentioned a bonfire in my front yard. I walked down to his house and, when his wife finally got him to the door (chickensh!t), politely reminded him that he probably ought not to talk garbage he's not prepared to dispose of...so to speak.

Then, he gets on-line and tried to walk it back. Truth be known, I didn't really care then and still don't. We did the right thing.

But the point is, and this really scares me, that we've bred a generation of on-line lions that are real-life candy asses.

DeltaForceChung

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dadrab wrote:I kind of get a kick out of the "pack mentality" that seems to run rampant on forums and Spacebook and the like. People really feel like the "shield of anonymity" applies to them. Indeed, it does not. 'Nuff said.

What it really boils down to is, if you wouldn't make the comment to someone's face, why would you do so on-line? I actually had someone who lives just down the street from me put up a post through a neighborhood Spacebook page calling me out on a financial decision a group I was in made for our neighborhood. He talked some pretty serious trash and mentioned a bonfire in my front yard. I walked down to his house and, when his wife finally got him to the door (chickensh!t), politely reminded him that he probably ought not to talk garbage he's not prepared to dispose of...so to speak.

Then, he gets on-line and tried to walk it back. Truth be known, I didn't really care then and still don't. We did the right thing.

But the point is, and this really scares me, that we've bred a generation of on-line lions that are real-life candy asses.


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ReverendSpooky

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I just want mine to come in!!!!  Give me my toys!  tongue

Being that the boots were that inconsistent in the movie, I'm really not going to gripe on the figures.  I think both Furiosa's and Max's look close enough that it won't bother me.  I'm not a big fan of molded boots in general, so of course I'd have preferred a nicer fabric boot on both figures.  But like Striker pointed out early in this thread, it's an unlicenced figure for around $100 less than a HT one would be.  For that, I won't sweat molded boots and a few slightly off details.  I'll see how I feel about the height when mine finally comes in.

My big question, for you guys who got yours, is how is that seamless arm?  Phicen has pretty much spoiled us with steel skeletons, so I was curious about this one.  Does it move well?  What's the outer material like in comparison?  Are you worried at all about the armature breaking inside?

And Dadrab, I 100% agree with you on about the balls people seem to grow from the anonymity of the internet.  It's not just the anonymity, although that plays a BIG part, but  something about the lack of all of the stimuli you get from actual conversation, subconscious visual and vocal cues, that lets your brain forget you're dealing with an actual other human being.  It allows people to be less empathetic and quicker to anger.  There's concern that, as we spend more time communicating like this, it effect's young people's learning and development of basic empathy skills, such as maintaining eye contact or noticing subtle nonverbal cues during a conversation.  I wish it were just generational, but it seems to effect people of all age groups.  Studies show that empathy is learned, but can be un-learned as well, and we're sensitive to these effects of technology regardless of age.  Concepts like compassion fatigue, and desensitization from the constant bombardment of extreme emotional stimuli can have an effect on anyone.

So this is a public service announcement.  Be kind people.  Remember to be kind.


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Asta

Asta
ReverendSpooky wrote:My big question, for you guys who got yours, is how is that seamless arm?  Phicen has pretty much spoiled us with steel skeletons, so I was curious about this one.  Does it move well?  What's the outer material like in comparison?  Are you worried at all about the armature breaking inside?

Being possessed of a morbid fear of damaging seamless limbs, I haven't even dared to bend the arms.

It's that tricky situation of aesthetics over function. I have her standing with her arms straight holding the Webley & Scott signal pistol, because that brings back memories of having the old Action Man version.


ReverendSpooky wrote:So this is a public service announcement.  Be kind people.  Remember to be kind.

I like this forum. It's pleasant, civilised, and has a respectful community.

Because it's small at the moment, and not so big that it draws idiots trying to score points off each other! I like Sideshow Freaks for its size, though not the negativity it attracts. It can become infectious if you're not careful.


That's why I have Asta as my avatar. When I see Asta's image it reminds me to always be a good dog. And think positive thoughts! Laughing


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GubernatorFan

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An oldie, but goodie, DFC.

I do think we have to be civil and, what is more, try to avoid hyper-criticism and negativity -- there is no point alienating anyone, and people may well be attached to what they have worked hard creating or spent much of their hard-earned money buying. That said, constructive criticism, put in a considerate fashion, has its place.


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I didn't say anything too harsh... I don't think. It just requires a lot more work than I'm capable/willing to put in to make it more screen accurate; hence a pass for me. All the body swaps I've seen just look ridiculous, since she has a near-child-size head to go with the small body. If all it took was a simple body swap, I probably still would have gotten it. But even a body swap requires a bit of futzing, weathering, etc. And we've all seen how difficult it is to match one companies heads to another's bodies. That kind of extra time and money, just to be able to put her next to Max and look reasonable, is just not in my parameters. I think it was the overly long wait for this to finally come out that makes the sting hurt that much more for a lot of folks, hence the outrage. I agree, the mechanical arm, her pants and top, all look pretty good, but the rest...


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My comment wasn't specifically aimed at you, Stryker. Just chiming in when someone remembered to bring up the question of civility and nicety.


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DeltaForceChung

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The lesson learned from this debacle?

SIZE MATTERS

Asta

Asta
It was a valid point, Stryker. Essentially VTS' Furiosa isn't fit for purpose.

Ironically though, I consider her to be one of their best figures.

So I re-purposed her as non-Furiosa or teen Furiosa.


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DeltaForceChung

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Asta wrote:So I re-purposed her as non-Furiosa or teen Furiosa.

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YOU KNOW . . .

I see the humor in that statement, but at the same time it's quite appropriate and logical.

MAX MAX: Furiosa . . . The Early Years

Stryker2011

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Asta wrote:It was a valid point, Stryker. Essentially VTS' Furiosa isn't fit for purpose.

Ironically though, I consider her to be one of their best figures.

So I re-purposed her as non-Furiosa or teen Furiosa.


That's a pretty good idea, really. Place her alone or with other post-apocalyptic figures, not related to Max, and it would probably look pretty cool.


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Asta

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DeltaForceChung wrote:
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YOU KNOW . . .

I see the humor in that statement, but at the same time it's quite appropriate and logical.

MAX MAX: Furiosa . . . The Early Years


A quick Google turned up a few cartoons depicting that very idea:

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Stryker2011 wrote:That's a pretty good idea, really. Place her alone or with other post-apocalyptic figures, not related to Max, and it would probably look pretty cool.

She does. I gave her stand to the Art Figures Max, put her on an anonymous black stand and have her with a group of survivors.

For a little while I had her on her own, away from any other figures and she could fool you she was a 1/6 Furiosa. But I prefer to have figures grouped together.


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ReverendSpooky

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Yeah, I hope my comments didn't come across in any way as critical of the climate here, or even of anything said in this discussion. I just thought Dadrab's story was pretty dead on in terms of the pitfalls of social media, and how they can effect online discussion groups (Sorry if my explanation of the breakdown of online etiquette was a bit off topic). Not to be too self-congratulatory, but I really do think this group is a pretty stellar example of what a community like this SHOULD be. I'm with you GubernatorFan, and am all for constructive criticism. Hell, if something has it's issues, I'm grateful to be warned of it before putting down my money. And my acceptance of the flaws of this figure in no way discounts what is a deal breaker for a lot of people here. Like Asta, I just think I can always use a reminder to be a good dog. Smile

Also, I'd watch hell out of a Furiosa origin story. Maybe VTS is just WAY ahead on this. Its actually a flawless figure for the yet-to-be-made prequel.


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Fox915

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I heard you guys were discussing about this earlier, so I thought you might be interested. This fellow managed to do a (Phicen) body swap for Furiosa. I think the results look really good, the head to body scale seems quite resonable, and the weathering work looks top notch.


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GubernatorFan

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Thanks for posing this, Fox! It does show that this set is rescue-able. A little bit beyond my comfort level at present, so I am not going to beat myself up for passing on it, but I am happy to see someone did do it justice.


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Stryker2011

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That is nice. But again, you have to spend more money and time to make the figure look even semi-reasonable. So what started as a $170 bootleg figure turns into a near $300 “acceptable” figure...


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film - VTS Toys 1/6 Wasteland Ranger - Furiosa (Do Venders Have an Out?; UPDATED: 5/18/18) - Page 2 TCFITBi

blackpool

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ReverendSpooky wrote:
My big question, for you guys who got yours, is how is that seamless arm?  Phicen has pretty much spoiled us with steel skeletons, so I was curious about this one.  Does it move well?  What's the outer material like in comparison?  Are you worried at all about the armature breaking inside?

In case you didn't get yours yet the seamless arms on furiosa are very similar to what Hot toys produced on ada wong and pepper potts. Not sure they have a steel skeleton, but the rubber is strong, it keeps a nice elbow shape once bent, and the shoulder joint is surprisingly good.
I forgot the elbow bent during one night after shooting her, and it didn't leave any marks. The only limitation is the upper arm rotation, as the rubber is much stronger than phicen's silicon

The "cut" seamless arm works the same, the elbow joint is inside the arm before the mecha part starts, and there is a magnet inside the rubber to match the one inside the mecha arm cup part.

Here are my very first edits of her and my "alternative" max, basically the art figures "mad racer" with the headsculpt from el1ev1en

film - VTS Toys 1/6 Wasteland Ranger - Furiosa (Do Venders Have an Out?; UPDATED: 5/18/18) - Page 2 Furyroad_01

film - VTS Toys 1/6 Wasteland Ranger - Furiosa (Do Venders Have an Out?; UPDATED: 5/18/18) - Page 2 Furyroad_02

Rogerbee

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You made her look good.

CHEERS!

Asta

Asta
Fox915 wrote:This fellow managed to do a (Phicen) body swap for Furiosa. I think the results look really good, the head to body scale seems quite resonable, and the weathering work looks top notch.

But after all that work he still had to put her on a riser.

And she's still too short.

As Stryker wrote,

So what started as a $170 bootleg figure turns into a near $300 “acceptable” figure...


I'm happy keeping her as she was intended as I like the stock proportions.


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GubernatorFan

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Blackpool -- that is some beautiful photography as usual.

Asta -- that's exactly what I was thinking about the great mod on youtube: after all this cool work, it still needed the "booster seat." Though it does look very good by itself (certainly more so than before).


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