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Hot Toys Star Wars Emperor Palpatine (Deluxe) Review

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GubernatorFan


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Stryker2011 wrote:Oh, man. That's tragic the amount of damage Lucas did in those prequels. ...

But, yes. The Emperor is a really cool figure, and though his feet seem even further away from the floor than the guy in the video made them, he can slouch down enough in the chair to not have his head rubbing on the roof. For some reason, my photos make him look like he is looking up (and the camera was angled down), and his head was level with the floor.

Agreed. As for the feet, I guess you have to tilt at the ankle and try to get the toes as close to the floor as possible. The looking up effect is not you, it is the head sculpt (I touched upon this briefly above). Although he's a relatively short guy (though the actor is actually taller than Mark Hammil) and he was seated much of the time, he should be able to look down (especially when others are on a lower step). But somewhere between the expression and the integral-neck head sculpt, they made that near impossible to replicate.

Rogerbee wrote:A pose like that usually requires beer and corn chips. As Ian McDiarmid was a Brit, I suspect a cup of Earl Grey would have sufficed.

Good one, Roger. And you should know your countrymen! But aren't they also known for getting "pissed" on beer and eating fish and chips and saying "oy" before mounting double-decker buses and invading France? I may have watched Eurotrip a few too many times. Smile

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GubernatorFan


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Speaking of Lucas' revisions, when I was looking up some details for the review, I came across a series of essays on the Star Wars original trilogy (both the actual films and their drafts and deleted scenes). It might make some interesting reading considering all the changes (good or bad) that were applied to the original vision and how many discarded details ended up getting recycled, so I am sharing the links below. The writing could be a lot better, but bear in mind it was quickly translated from the original German (not by me).

Episode IV: Star Wars/A New Hope HERE
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back HERE
Episode VI: Return of the Jedi HERE

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Stryker2011

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Thanks for the links, Guv. I knew about some of that behind the scenes, original scripts, etc., stuff, but not all of it.


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Rogerbee

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GubernatorFan wrote:
Good one, Roger. And you should know your countrymen! But aren't they also known for getting "pissed" on beer and eating fish and chips and saying "oy" before mounting double-decker buses and invading France? I may have watched Eurotrip a few too many times. Smile

Oh behave!

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Stryker2011

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Thought I'd share some of the great photos that have been popping up of this guy (hope you don't mind, Guv). These are by others, Usernames credited above their photos. As you will see, some folks have figured out a solution to the dangling feet issue by placing the stand in front of the throne:

BuGz:

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skillerwhale (who seems to have been the first to figure out that if you put his stand in front of the throne, his feet rest comfortably):

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Who would have thought there'd be so much love for a figure of a character who barely had any screen time... But he is pretty cool.


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GubernatorFan

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I don't mind at all. Thank you for sharing these photos, which are many, informative, and impressive, with the rest of us. Better lighting and camera do pay off and the proof is in the pudding above (I do have a better camera but too lazy -- and possibly unskilled -- to use it). The base under the feet is a solution, but it is not exactly screen accurate either.


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Rogerbee

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That is actually one of the best Star Wars figures HT have done. I only hope Figuarts can equal it in 1/12.

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Great review! Palpatine looks so awesome and realistic! Just imagine him peering through a window, watching somebody eat their dinner at night. Scary lol Smile


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Ephiane

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Wow ! Some Pictures looks like Movie Scenes !

GubernatorFan

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Rogerbee wrote:That is actually one of the best Star Wars figures HT have done. I only hope Figuarts can equal it in 1/12.

That's quite an endorsement! I think they've done plenty of very nice figures, but yes, I agree, this is among the best, for all its minor limitations.

Adeno wrote:Great review! Palpatine looks so awesome and realistic! Just imagine him peering through a window, watching somebody eat their dinner at night. Scary lol Smile

Thank you very much. I don't think we need to worry too much about him being a peeping Tom. Unless of course you have a genetic predisposition towards using the Force and he is monitoring your progress with great interest... Smile

Ephiane wrote:Wow ! Some Pictures looks like Movie Scenes !

They do, don't they? And I suppose that is the point of these collectibles.


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Rogerbee

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Though good, I still wouldn't get one. I don't think there's a decent enough Luke and Vader to complement them. I have them in 1/12 already so an Emperor wouldn't be an ask.

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GubernatorFan

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Rogerbee wrote:Though good, I still wouldn't get one. I don't think there's a decent enough Luke and Vader to complement them. I have them in 1/12 already so an Emperor wouldn't be an ask.

You really don't think HT's Vaders and Luke are decent enough? Yes, Vader needed a bit of customizing to maximize articulation range, and his damn tusks are as fragile as they were with the Sideshow figures, but especially the more recent releases have gotten the down very well. I think their ROTJ Luke head sculpt is also a masterpiece, and even the ANH one was already almost there (the Bespin one less so, largely due to the "backwards hair" effect). But except for the ANH Luke figure, I only have those figures in reconstituted form (i.e., I bought the heads and some of the outfit and accessories and put them together as a sort of basic kitbash). Anyway, the only thing really indecent about them seems to be the price. Smile


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Rogerbee

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I've never been able to put my finger on what it is, but, every 1/6 Vader I've seen has just looked off to me. The Hasbro Black Series is the only one that has ever looked like it's Dave Prowse wearing the costume. No HT or SSC body has ever matched it.

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Stryker2011

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I guess I’m not as nuanced when it comes to Vader. I’ve read numerous complaints about little bits and bobs here and there, the shape of the helmet, etc, etc., But aside from the Ralph Macquarie art version, I honestly can’t tell one from the other. If it looks like Darth Vader to me, that’s good enough (though I’m holding out for HT to do Return of the Jedi version with an old Anakin reveal HS — not sure why, since I’d probably never display him that way; I just think it’d be cool to have.

HT Return of the Jedi Luke, I’m not impressed with. Not that it’s a bad sculpt, or that it doesn’t resemble Hamill in many ways; I just think it’s a far more idealized, cutsie version — pre-Star Wars even — then the leaner-faced, more “rough-road” look he had thanks to the car accident by the time he was in Jedi. HT has a tendency of idealizing people who have flaws and imperfections (like Harrison Ford, Hamill, and older Alec Guinness), when it’s those flaws that make or break the likeness. I’m not thrilled at all with the final production of Sideshow’s Return Luke, but, unfortunately, that is the one I POd from Timewalker, so that is the one I’m ending up with — I suppose if I didn’t open it I could try to sell it... But Luke, Vader, Billy Dee Lando, and Slave Leia are the last of the major characters that I want (have Mythos Boba Fett already on PO to fill that gap); anymore SW characters after those would be something else to stick in the Jabba display I’m planning.


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Rogerbee

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Inigo's ROTJ Luke is nice, if you get someone like Silentsurfer to paint it that is. I know what you mean about HT. Everyone goes nuts over pics of a freshly sculpted prototype, masterfully painted by JC Hong. Even though you tell them till you're blue in the face that the production version won't be as good, they PO in their droves in the hope they can prove you wrong. Then they lose it over crappy phone pics taken in the Secret Base, cancel orders and then see that it maybe wasn't so bad when you see better pics. It's a minefield!

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Stryker2011

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I always expect a certain amount of drop-off from Prototype to Production (anyone expecting these things to turn out like the ONE head JC Hong paints and shows-off on his FB page is naive -- to put it politely). I PO'd -- for the last time -- the Sideshow Luke, mainly because I thought the sculpt reflected Mark's more beat-up look in Jedi (plus it didn't have that silly, mouth-breather thing going on that HT did), but the massive drop-off from Proto to Production is so staggering as to be outside the realm of acceptable. After how good their Mythos Obi-Wan turned out, it is actually surprising that their Luke figure seems to have taken a 10-year backward leap in production quality. They should really stick to robots and aliens in their sixth scale lines, as they clearly cannot do likenesses from real people -- or something is going horribly wrong at the factory end, and they are too cheap to hire a Chinese person to do some quality control.

This is probably the only way I'll be able to display Sideshow's Return of the Jedi Luke and get away with saying "See, I have all three of the major characters represented." (Assuming I don't sell it):

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How did you manage to find Inigo's Luke, Roger? Did someone post a link over at the Freaks somewhere?


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GubernatorFan

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I suspect likeness is in the eye of the beholder. I saw a few different images of that Inigo custom sculpt Roger mentioned, and some looked great, some not so great (perhaps it depends on who painted it) -- to me.

As for Hot Toys, I think they not only surpassed any other large-production-run "sixth-scale" likeness of the character, but also got it down very well -- already on the ANH Luke, but even more so on the ROTJ Luke. Of course lighting makes a difference on both the actor's features and the product, and so does facial expression.

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While looking around for the Inigo sculpt, I came across the following:

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Stryker2011

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I like that New Hope sculpt better than the current one. How bizarre how close Hamill is to Stan in likeness. I wonder if I shouldn’t try to track down the New Hope figure...


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GubernatorFan

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Stryker2011 wrote:I like that New Hope sculpt better than the current one. How bizarre how close Hamill is to Stan in likeness. I wonder if I shouldn’t try to track down the New Hope figure...

If it is not available or indecently expensive, there is a very close knockoff head (and possibly clothes/accessories set) just like there was for ANH Leia.


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Stryker2011 wrote:I always expect a certain amount of drop-off from Prototype to Production (anyone expecting these things to turn out like the ONE head JC Hong paints and shows-off on his FB page is naive -- to put it politely). I PO'd -- for the last time -- the Sideshow Luke, mainly because I thought the sculpt reflected Mark's more beat-up look in Jedi (plus it didn't have that silly, mouth-breather thing going on that HT did), but the massive drop-off from Proto to Production is so staggering as to be outside the realm of acceptable. After how good their Mythos Obi-Wan turned out, it is actually surprising that their Luke figure seems to have taken a 10-year backward leap in production quality. They should really stick to robots and aliens in their sixth scale  lines, as they clearly cannot do likenesses from real people -- or something is going horribly wrong at the factory end, and they are too cheap to hire a Chinese person to do some quality control.

This is probably the only way I'll be able to display Sideshow's Return of the Jedi Luke and get away with saying "See, I have all three of the major characters represented." (Assuming I don't sell it):



How did you manage to find Inigo's Luke, Roger? Did someone post a link over at the Freaks somewhere?

I don't have the head, Inigo posts regularly on FB as does Silentsurfer. I have the original SSC Jedi Luke, in my roof! I quite liked it at the time, not now though!

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Rogerbee

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In Gubernator's pics I get it about the idealised likeness. It doesn't look quite haggard enough to be Mark as he was then. They also idealised the NT Leia quite a bit in that they took away Carrie's obvious coke nose. Her septum rotted out so they had to sew the tip of her nose down to hide the hole. HT just aged a young Carrie.

It would be interesting to see if you could put Luke hair on an HT Winter Soldier head to see if a better Luke emerges.

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Stryker2011

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I actually broke down and found a New Hope Luke, not too badly marked up on eBay. I’ll probably keep parts from Sideshow’s ROTJ Luke, and see if I can’t sell off the rest parted out. I’ve heard folks don’t mind the Endor sculpt (since the helmet helps the likeness some), so I’ll probably get rid of that stuff.


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