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1dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Sun May 12, 2019 4:09 pm

GubernatorFan

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Sideshow has produced a full pack of Empire Strikes Back bounty hunters, including Dengar. These are all generally excellent figures, but in Dengar's case they overlooked one fairly signature detail when it came to his long blaster rifle. In the film (though not in some of the released pre-production photos), Dengar sported a modified MG 42 with the bipod and buttstock removed. Sideshow's weapon is beautifully sculpted and painted (even if a bit too evenly for my taste), and has the bipod removed; but the buttstock is still there. While I would agree that the weapon looks silly without the buttstock, we are supposed to strive for movie accuracy, are we not?

So instead of modifying the Sideshow piece, I purchased an inexpensive 1/6 MG 42 kit on eBay, put it together without the bipod and buttstock, and finally got around to painting/weathering it. I wanted to give it a used, worn appearance, and to reduce the plastic-looking effect of, well, black plastic. I think it turned out reasonably well, even if the less accurate Sideshow weapon has finer detail.

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2dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Sun May 12, 2019 4:22 pm

skywalkersaga

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I think it turned out excellent! Smile If you hadn't pointed it out I wouldn't have noticed -- amazing what a bit of weathering can do! It's also smart to create an additional custom accessory rather than just modifying the original. : )


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3dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Sun May 12, 2019 4:49 pm

Stryker2011

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Looks great, and far more screen accurate, as you say. Nicely done.


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4dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Sun May 12, 2019 4:59 pm

scalawag

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I may do this too if I can find a decent 1/6 MG42 to butcher lol.

The original MG42 has a removable butt stock so that it can be more easily used in fighting vehicle interiors, so all the armourers did for the film was unscrew the stock from the end of the receiver.

You have done a nice job on this kit one Gubernatorfan, it looks good.

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5dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Sun May 12, 2019 5:10 pm

scalawag

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I just realised I do have a spare MG42 from Dragon I think, but its currently on a gun rack as part of a collection of WWII (ish) german weapons.

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6dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Mon May 13, 2019 3:14 am

GubernatorFan

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skywalkersaga wrote:I think it turned out excellent! Smile If you hadn't pointed it out I wouldn't have noticed -- amazing what a bit of weathering can do!  It's also smart to create an additional custom accessory rather than just modifying the original.  : )

Thank you! Yes, I don't like messing up complete sets unless absolutely necessary (and resale value is only part of my concern) -- hence applying the modification to a separate piece. However, I do mess with parted-out items more often, even if they are from pricey sets.

Stryker2011 wrote:Looks great, and far more screen accurate, as you say. Nicely done.

Thank you Mark!

scalawag wrote:I may do this too if I can find a decent 1/6 MG42 to butcher lol. The original MG42 has a removable butt stock so that it can be more easily used in fighting vehicle interiors, so all the armourers did for the film was unscrew the stock from the end of the receiver. You have done a nice job on this kit one Gubernatorfan, it looks good.

Thank you Paul! Your expertise comes handy in the explanation as to why this was an easy modification for this weapon. As for making your own, you can also get a low price kit to put together... at any rate, nice gun racks!


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7dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Mon May 13, 2019 5:20 am

scalawag

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So I couldn't resist the urge to have a go at this too after seeing the excellent results GubernatorFan achieved.

So I set to modifying the Dragon MG42 that I had in hand.

First job was to remove the Bi-Pod which was easy enough as it just pulled off of its pin. Next the but stock was removed. Its a sort of clam shell on this version of the MG42 so I prised apart the two sides and job done.
Next the more destructive elements. The front sight is permanently fixed in the upright position on the Dragon model, so it was cut off cleaned up and repositioned to the folded position.
The pin that held the Bi-pod also needed removing, as did the latch pin for the same, so these were cut off and the scars cleaned up.
The last of the physical mods was to round the spigot that the stock had been wrapped around. On the model it is a square block at the back of the receiver, but on the real gun it is round and has threads that the stock screws onto. I filed down the profile of the block to be more round, and I tried to replicate the threads but failed to get a convincing enough look so filed it back to smooth.
Last step was paint. all the scars and mod work was blended into the original finish using Tamiya Gun Metal acrylic paint, and the grips were painted in Tamiya red brown with the fixings screws picked out in Tamiya flat aluminium to match the look of the original SideShow item. I should mention that my intention was to get this to look as close to the provided MG42, but with the modifications.

The Dragon MG42 is not as finely detailed as the Sideshow offering, but it is not too bad at all. I did notice while doing the mods that the top half of the rear sight is missing on the Dragon gun so I will have to take a look at that at some point, but overall I am happy with the outcome.

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And in the hands of our protagonist:

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8dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Mon May 13, 2019 5:27 am

Stryker2011

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Nicely done, Paul. Thanks for the detailed write-up.


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9dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Mon May 13, 2019 6:18 am

skywalkersaga

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Yours looks great, too, scalawag! Smile

And I've always liked the look of Dengar, reminds me a bit of this rather dashing Albanian volunteer from WWI. Wink

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10dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Mon May 13, 2019 9:06 am

Stryker2011

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skywalkersaga wrote:Yours looks great, too, scalawag! Smile

And I've always liked the look of Dengar, reminds me a bit of this rather dashing Albanian volunteer from WWI. Wink

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Holy cow. Great photo, S. I honestly thought that WAS a behind the scenes photo at first glance. Nice catch.


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11dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Mon May 13, 2019 10:09 am

skywalkersaga

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I did a double take when I first saw that pic too! While I'm no expert on the era by any means, I do have a rather big fascination with 'the Great War' for a variety of reasons, and I was looking up something totally unrelated one day and stumbled across it. I was like, 'well hello there, Dengar!' ;D


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12dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Mon May 13, 2019 11:54 am

GubernatorFan

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scalawag wrote:So I couldn't resist the urge to have a go at this too after seeing the excellent results GubernatorFan achieved. So I set to modifying the Dragon MG42 that I had in hand... The Dragon MG42 is not as finely detailed as the Sideshow offering, but it is not too bad at all.  I did notice while doing the mods that the top half of the rear sight is missing on the Dragon gun so I will have to take a look at that at some point, but overall I am happy with the outcome.

Beautifully done, Paul, and useful explanation for anyone modifying a Dragon MG42. There are many eBay listings for the simple sets that you put together, which may actually be based on the Dragon product. They are very affordable, and since one puts them together in the first place, some of the modification is not necessary, though I do remember slicing off something to get the right look (it was a long time ago). Anyway, one could search eBay for "1/6 MG42".

One minor detail that you might be interested in replicating: although we don't get a very clear view of it, it appears that the very front of Dengar's gun was in a distinctively more silver/aluminium color than the rest. It is the front of the recoil booster -- part 21 in this diagram:

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I tried to reflect this in my painting, without making it too blatant (and it is isn't overly obvious in the photos). I think you can kinda see it in this set photo:

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skywalkersaga wrote:And I've always liked the look of Dengar, reminds me a bit of this rather dashing Albanian volunteer from WWI. Wink

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What, Lawrence of Albania? Smile


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13dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Tue May 14, 2019 12:51 am

scalawag

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Yeah that is an interesting little detail GubernatorFan, and I am not sure what is going on with it.  It looks to me just to be the conical flash hider at the end of the recoil booster that is lighter.  As far as I know these were all made from steel and blued so I would guess that maybe 1 of 3 different scenarios is playing out here.

It could be that the lighter look is due to lighting.  The flash hider is smooth sided and more reflective than the rest of the recoil booster which has vent holes, grooves and knurling added to its surface.

Or it could be that the bluing has worn off, or been removed.  Being at the end of a fairly long firearm these parts do pick up a lot of wear over time, so this is plausible too.

Or the armourers painted it silver to look more Star Wars, but given the minor nature of the other mods to this gun and the slightly dull look to the silver colour in the pick I think this is the least likely possibility.  If they had painted it silver I think it would stand out more than it does.

For me the most likely cause is a worn part, but really it is impossible to tell from the limited source material we have, it could just as easily be an effect of lighting, or both combined.

It is something to consider though for my upgraded blaster, although as I mentioned my intention was to use the dragon to replicate the SideShow item as closely as possible but with the stock removed.

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14dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Tue May 14, 2019 1:04 am

scalawag

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Stryker2011 wrote:
skywalkersaga wrote:Yours looks great, too, scalawag! Smile

And I've always liked the look of Dengar, reminds me a bit of this rather dashing Albanian volunteer from WWI. Wink

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Holy cow. Great photo, S. I honestly thought that WAS a behind the scenes photo at first glance. Nice catch.

That is a great pic and yes definitely very reminiscent of Dengar. I love these pics from WWI etc.... I have more than a passing interest and especially with the weapons of the time. Everything was so new and experimental back then its fascinating to me to see how some things worked and some didn't.

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15dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Tue May 14, 2019 2:15 am

GubernatorFan

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Interesting interpretation about the coloring of the gun, Paul. You do know your stuff. Smile


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16dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Tue May 14, 2019 6:20 am

Stryker2011

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My guess on the lighter part is the blue wore off. It happens quite a bit on the larger weapons (it happens today on the semi-autos, as well) — mainly due to heat build up at the end of the muzzle.


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17dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Tue May 14, 2019 11:13 am

GubernatorFan

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If it is a question of wear damage as both Paul and Mark suggest, I'm glad that although I purposefully painted that part a more silvery color (mixing Vallejo silver and gunmetal grey), I didn't make it too shiny.


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18dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Wed May 15, 2019 8:32 am

scalawag

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I have now added several layers of dry brushed silver to the flash hider on my modified MG42 to try and give more of the look seen in stills from the movie.

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19dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Wed May 15, 2019 11:09 am

Stryker2011

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Looks good, Paul.


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20dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Wed May 15, 2019 11:51 am

scalawag

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Thanks Stryker2011

I wish we had clearer shots of Dengar with this weapon.

Having studied the pics I have available to paint the muzzle on my adapted gun I am beginning to think that there may be something else going on with the muzzle end of this gun other than it just looking more silver.

In GubernatorFan's pic of Dengar on the star destroyer bridge it seems possible to me that the dimensions at the muzzle of the blaster may indicate that it has a shorter, more cylindrical (rather than conical) device.  It just looks a little short, and well odd to me.

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This may also be evident in this pic from the same scene, especially perhaps the more straight sides of the flash hider.  Not clear at all I know.  Looks more silver here too

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and again here.  Its blurred, I know and could easily be a standard muzzle device too.  Looks less silver again in this pic though.

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Now I am more than happy to accept that this is an effect from lighting, or the angles at which the pics where taken or even that it is due to the fuzzy and sometimes out of focus nature of the screen grabs (why oh why did he pick up what appears to be 4-LOM's blaster for the promo pics which are by and large pin sharp lol).
However I do wonder if there is another explanation, and after some looking I have found pics of MG3s (the NATO version of the MG42) which show it being used with a different muzzle device which interestingly appears to be shorter and less conical.

This is an Austrian MG3

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And a Norwegian one (less likely I think)

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Interestingly both these pics seem to show some sort of brightly coloured 'practice' ammo being used with the guns (possibly plastic practice rounds??), and so I wonder if these muzzle devices are some sort of practice or blank firing muzzle break.  It is interesting too that the Austrian version's muzzle device has been painted red/orange.  
Is it possible that what we see on Dangers gun is one of these with the red/orange paint removed???
 
Its far more likely I know that its is a standard MG42 Muzzle device that was used, but perhaps this was changed to give the muzzle a different look from the similar one on the MG34 that 4-LOM has in the same scene, or perhaps someone just thought it looked more Star Wars I don't know.  I don't even know if these muzzle devices are interchangeable with an MG42.

As a side note you can see that on the Norwegian MG3 the buttock has been removed for use on the vehicle mount, just like Dengar's has no butt stock.

As I said I really don't know about the muzzle it might just be me, but somehow it just looks off from a standard MG42 muzzle, although the more I look at it now the more it looks like a standard muzzle device.   The low quality pictures make it very difficult to tell with any degree of certainty.  I really don't know here and I am doing a lot of thinking out loud while searching for an answer that may satisfy my curiosity.

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21dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Wed May 15, 2019 12:10 pm

Stryker2011

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From the pictures you supplied, it's hard to tell. Check out this site for further information about the weapons used:

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Original_Trilogy


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22dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Wed May 15, 2019 1:20 pm

scalawag

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Thanks Stryker2011, I’ve used that site extensively in the past, but unfortunately I don’t think it covers this gun. This is the only time we ever see this weapon in any of the films so it is a bit of an anomaly when it comes to any research into what it was exactly.

It is always assumed to be an MG42, but could be an MG3, or an MG42/59 which is the earlier designation for the 7.62mm NATO chambered version. It was also made by a number of countries under licence too including Sudan.
Because of the poor quality of the pics we have of it I suspect it is unlikely that we will ever have a definitive answer as to what it was sadly.

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23dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Wed May 15, 2019 2:01 pm

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Interesting analysis, Paul, and I agree this gun does not appear anywhere in the guide. Although I didn't have clearer photos at my disposal (and you posted one I have not seen before), I also thought the actual end piece looked a little more cylindrical than conical -- though I dismissed it as a visual illusion caused by the poor quality of the photos. Maybe that's exactly what it is, or maybe it is like your Austrian and Norwegian variants. In fact, the moment I saw the Norwegian one, I immediately noticed the absence of the buttstock just like you did. But although I cannot be at all certain, the end piece on the Dengar blaster rifle appears to me a little bit larger than what we see with the Austrian and Norwegian variants of MG42. It would not be surprising if (assuming this is not just a visual illusion) the production department changed that piece as a minor adjustment to give the gun a slightly different, futuristic/alien appearance. For what it is worth (and that is not very much, considering they forgot to remove the buttstock), Sideshow's weapon has the standard conical flash hider that we see on the original MG42.

By the way nice added touch to your custom gun.


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24dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Thu May 16, 2019 12:54 am

scalawag

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Thanks GubernatorFan, I'm glad you like what I have done here, and I will be keeping the conical flash hider on mine for now as there is no definitive answer to what was on the original.

I am probably totally over thinking it anyway, but in that original pic you posted it defiantly looks more cylindrical to me.  I think the different muzzle devices i posted are probably something like blank firing adapters due to the ammo that is being used with the gun. Because it is recoil operated it needs an additional device like this to cycle properly with blanks etc... Perhaps there was one in the box for the gun that was used??? who knows.

Ah well I guess we will never know anyway, as the pics are too low a quality to actually see any detail at that level.

I did find in researching for this though that Dengar's boots are actually reused Hoth rebel boots (hero ones as we discussed elsewhere), and his gauntlets are from a Hoth rebel trooper too.  The info is in 'Star Wars Costumes: The Original Trilogy' by Brandon Alinger.  Whilst he talks about Dengar's costume in the book there are sadly no new pics (in fact no pics of Dengar at all).

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25dengar - Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade Empty Re: Star Wars Sideshow Dengar weapon upgrade on Thu May 16, 2019 2:01 am

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I often refer to the same book, Paul, but yes, it is not completely comprehensive. The boots do appear to be of the same type, although in the Sideshow figure's case that applies only to the lower "shoe" section (unless they have the upper section under the greave armor -- haven't checked), which was a good decision, allowing for ankle articulation (all the more important given the high center of gravity of the fully-kitted-out figure).


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