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1Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:17 pm

GubernatorFan

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Like so many of us, I wasn't completely satisfied with Hot Toys' Aquaman head sculpt in terms of both likeness and molded hair sculpt (which is very nice in and of itself, but hair this long should not be sculpted for various reasons). So I decided to modify it with a re-hairing and partial repaint. Here is a little summary of the progression of the project.

Although Hot Toys made the questionable decision to go with sculpted hair, it tried to improve its appearance by installing it in layers, which helps customization by easing removal and allowing for a more or less complete fully-realized head beneath. I began by carefully tugging on the soft plastic hair of the original head sculpt (1). In this instance it is composed of four different pieces glued to the head proper and to each other. Luckily, they weren't glued very strongly, and with just a little bit of persistence and repetition, I was able to begin pulling off the largest, enveloping exterior hair piece (2).

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This left the pieces hanging over the sides and back of the neck (3a-3b). They were removed the same way.

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Removing the pieces hanging over the side (4) and the back leave us with a bald head (except for a bit of the hairline over the forehead, which I decided to keep) which features some useful goorves carved into it (5a-5b). The reason these are useful is that without them you would end up with an even fuller, puffier hair after you glue it onto the head, and they help diminish this problem a little bit.

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Next I used three different colors of hair to glue onto the bald head in tiers -- starting with a line just above the neckline running around the back of the head and moving upwards. When this step was completed, the look was a dramatic mess (6). After the glue had cured, I weeded off loose strands and rinsed the hair to make it fall a little more naturally, and painted some highlights and color variations (to match the hair) onto the molded beard, mustache, and forelock, as well as over those parts of the hair where the glue was visible; I also tried to lighten some of the painted stubble on the head (where the mustache and beard part going upwards along the jawline) to increase the likeness to Jason Momoa (7).

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Finally, I cut down the hair to the correct length (with locks reaching as far down as about the armpit) and treated it with a mixture of water and shampoo+conditioner that I did not rinse off, to give it a more natural fit (8a-8b). And with that my modifications are complete.

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Here are three views of the resulting appearance.

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And here are some more close-up ones.

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Here is a comparison between the HT set (Aquaman from Justice League) and the same with the modified head. I should point out that I was modifying the head on principle, not specifically for this figure set or look. I am also aware that the screen look has much more emphatically bleached locks towards the lower reaches of the hair, but I wanted a slightly more organic and subdued look.

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I think it turned out ok, and I hope you liked it or found it interesting. What do you think?

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2Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:30 pm

Ovy

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Wow that is really great Gubr. How long does it take to cover a head with lamb hair?
I might try that some day.

3Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:54 pm

GubernatorFan

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Ovy wrote:Wow that is really great Gubr. How long does it take to cover a head with lamb hair?
I might try that some day.

Thank you very much! And it doesn't take very long, but then again it's not my first try doing that sort of thing. I didn't keep track of time, but if I had to guess, maybe 1-1.5 hours. It really depends how you define the duration of the process and how organized or meticulous you are. Morezmore (on eBay, from where I get my hair) has a detailed tutorial on hairing dolls or figures with this type of hair (but if you follow it to the T, without shortcuts, that would be lengthier).

Ideally you would have a bunch of tufts or bunches or hair pre-cut and laying around waiting to be deployed -- I try to do that (but have limited space to work on and don't want them flying around every which way) and inevitably end up cutting many many more as I'm working. Here there was the added part of working with three different colors (so I could bring in some highlights). Then there is the glue. Fabri-Tac is apparently the favored glue but I hate working with it and it dries relatively slowly. I have used cut up strips of Allene's fabric adhesive tape (essentially slightly rubbery/stretchy double-sided tape for fabrics) or superglue (in this instance, Gorilla) successfully. Superglue is not ideal (and in the most exposed parts of the hair leaves a little bit of visible residue which you would want to paint -- unless you want a severe dandruff look) but I like that it dries quickly and bonds fast, also helping cut down a little bit on the usual mountain of loose strands. You will go through a couple dozen toothpicks spreading glue and pressing hair bunches onto it, so have a box of those handy throughout the process. At the end you would have the water-treatment, hair-cutting, and styling process (shampoo and conditioner work quite well if you want to give yourself an easy way or undoing and redoing your work).


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4Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:05 pm

Stryker2011

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Brilliant job, Guv. This is what HT should have given folks who bought this. Thanks for all the tips, as well.


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5Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:14 pm

GubernatorFan

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Stryker2011 wrote:Brilliant job, Guv. This is what HT should have given folks who bought this. Thanks for all the tips, as well.

Thank you very much! I think so too, but looks like they can only be bothered to increase prices, limit articulation, and spring for the occasional electrical gimmick (though not even that with this figure). Welcome for the tips, I aim to help. Smile


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6Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:24 pm

Ephiane

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Wow ! That´s amazing. You mastered the Hair Job !

7Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:51 pm

GubernatorFan

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Ephiane wrote:Wow ! That´s amazing. You mastered the Hair Job !

Thank you very much, Ephiane! Glad you liked it.

Speaking of hair, here are a couple of more photos, including the four moulded/sculpted hair pieces I removed.

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As you can see, I also removed Hot Toys' inside neck connector, so that the head could fit onto other neck pegs and bodies. Hot Toys has taken to using inside neck connectors that are not only glued into place (which can be a problem, as it helps if the height is adjustable), but are also made of harder plastic. Like many of their recent innovations, that was not an improvement. However, I notice that with the foamies I am currently using, the modified head seems to sit a little bit too high on the HT neck. That can be easily fixed, if needed, but I'm not bothering with it yet.

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8Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:07 pm

skywalkersaga

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Wow, GF!! That looks AWESOME!!  I'm seriously impressed by your willingness to tackle these sorts of modifications, and also by your gorgeous results. 

Thanks also for de-mystifying the process a bit with those explanations and photos. I've been completely confused trying to figure out how to go about something like this, but this helps! Smile


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9Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:17 pm

actionfiguremovies2

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Dang!! That came out GREAT!! He looks much better now. Great work bro.

AFM

10Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:07 pm

GubernatorFan

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skywalkersaga wrote:Wow, GF!! That looks AWESOME!!  I'm seriously impressed by your willingness to tackle these sorts of modifications, and also by your gorgeous results. 

Thanks also for de-mystifying the process a bit with those explanations and photos. I've been completely confused trying to figure out how to go about something like this, but this helps! Smile

Well, I have to confess I got myself a spare head to do this -- didn't want to mess up the actual set, in case I ever decide to sell it. For a supposedly unpopular figure, these are hard to find and the loose heads tend to be super expensive. With Anakin it was more of a risk, as it was my only head, and part of a partly reconstituted/kitbashed set. Anyway, thank you for the kind words, I'm glad you liked the result and found the overview interesting. I can't recommend the Morezmore tutorial enough, so here's the link again:
https://morezmore.wordpress.com/2015/04/20/fortuna-goddess-of-abundance-luck-and-fortune-part-3/

Like I mentioned above, I don't like fabri-tac glue, so I've used either fabric tape from Allene's or (as in this instance) superglue (but you will have to paint over any visible residue -- so perhaps not all of Morezmore's directions would apply); also, I apply the glue onto the head with a designated toothpick, then press in the bunch of hairs with a different toothpick. Seems to work ok for me.

actionfiguremovies2 wrote:Dang!! That came out GREAT!! He looks much better now. Great work bro.
AFM

Thank you very much! Glad you liked it and agree he looks better now. It feels great to be able to improve on a set -- which you know full well with all your body swapping feats.


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11Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:49 pm

skywalkersaga

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Was just reading this through again, and apologies if I missed something, but when you mentioned that you 'pulled' off the HT sculpted hair, did you first cut part of it to loosen it? and if so, did you use an exacto knife or something else? Silly as it sounds, one of my biggest struggles is figuring out what tools to use for these sorts of things. Razz

Secondly, you mentioned that you didn't like the fabri-tac glue. Can you elaborate on why? Or was it just because of the extended drying time and 'shedding' issue as you mentioned above? I personally dislike working with glue in general myself as well as I find it too messy, but at the same time I'd probably prefer to use something a bit more gentle as super glue is my nemesis [I've had too many incidents with it either getting on my skin or making mistakes on projects and then permanently messing them up]. I think my ideal method would be the tape, but I'm a little confused still how to go about that. Do you just apply the doubled sided tape along the 'row's on the head, and then stick the hair to it, or do you stick the hair on first and then stick it to the head? Again, silly questions maybe, but this is where get tripped up and then give up before I even begin... 

And finally, on a tangential note, your pics reminded me of a major issue I have with Hot Toys painting in general.... that metallic sheen they tend to give the hair. For some reason it REALLY bothers me, even more than the fact that it's sculpted! I get why they do it, but....ugh. Yet another reason your re-hair job looks so much better.


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12Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:57 pm

GubernatorFan

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skywalkersaga wrote:Was just reading this through again, and apologies if I missed something, but when you mentioned that you 'pulled' off the HT sculpted hair, did you first cut part of it to loosen it? and if so, did you use an exacto knife or something else? Silly as it sounds, one of my biggest struggles is figuring out what tools to use for these sorts of things. Razz

Secondly, you mentioned that you didn't like the fabri-tac glue. Can you elaborate on why? Or was it just because of the extended drying time and 'shedding' issue as you mentioned above? I personally dislike working with glue in general myself as well as I find it too messy, but at the same time I'd probably prefer to use something a bit more gentle as super glue is my nemesis [I've had too many incidents with it either getting on my skin or making mistakes on projects and then permanently messing them up]. I think my ideal method would be the tape, but I'm a little confused still how to go about that. Do you just apply the doubled sided tape along the 'row's on the head, and then stick the hair to it, or do you stick the hair on first and then stick it to the head? Again, silly questions maybe, but this is where get tripped up and then give up before I even begin... 

And finally, on a tangential note, your pics reminded me of a major issue I have with Hot Toys painting in general.... that metallic sheen they tend to give the hair. For some reason it REALLY bothers me, even more than the fact that it's sculpted! I get why they do it, but....ugh. Yet another reason your re-hair job looks so much better.

Hi. Let's see.

Molded hair removal. I literally pulled off the hair pieces. They were not loose enough to fall off by themselves, but as I was pulling and twisting on the biggest, external hair piece to see whether the head is complete (with ears, etc) underneath, I started noticing the places where they joined. So, being curious and planning to rehair it anyway, I pulled a little more, to the point where it started separating at the sides and it became apparent how everything fit together and how it could be taken apart. So I stopped to take photo number 2, then yanked off the piece, then did the same with the side pieces, and finally with the inner back. No cutting or even heating required at all. At least with the head sculpt I had.

Hair adhesive. I followed the Morezmore tutorial to a T (or close to that) when I did my first hair experiment (one of my Conans -- see Conanesque -- and comment there if you'd like), and really hated it. It wasn't even the usual problem people have with it (getting thick), but it got everywhere and didn't dry fast enough or (seemingly) adhere strong enough (which may have really been a problem with my application). So I switched to superglue and Allene's fabric tape. As you say, that last one might be the best solution for you. It is not super strong, and can be scraped off if need be, and is less messy than glue -- if you handle it carefully anyway. You would apply it in a similar way: basically make a series of relatively narrow bands parallel to the bottom neck line around the back of the neck and then to each other, leaving a gap for the face and forehead. Then put a few to provide sufficient coverage at the top of the head (I have not mastered the cowlick but maybe if you read Morezmore more carefully than me you would figure it out). If you are worried about messing up, I cannot recommend strongly enough using a head sculpt that is not your only one of that particular kind -- if nothing else, you would feel less worried and nervous about doing this to it. And of course if something went seriously wrong... Smile

Metallic sheen. I have noticed that before, and it is very noticeable on their molded Aquaman hair. It is part of their solution to the problem of painting sculpted blond hair -- it is actually light shades of beige or brown and looks somewhat transparent in reality, whereas they go for bronzed shades of beige of brown. Here it comes into play with the highlights (much less so with the top of the headsculpt where the hair is darker); it was also like that with some of the Thor and Captain America head sculpts. It is not the worst approach, but does look a little weird. Actually, since my acrylic markers are not labeled as to color, some of what I thought was brown might have been bronze, so it still shows up a little bit -- but less noticeably -- among the little paint touch ups I did to the surviving sculpted forelocks and facial hair. But overall, I completely agree -- real hair is better.

Thanks again and I hope this helps.


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13Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:43 am

skywalkersaga

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GubernatorFan wrote:Molded hair removal. I literally pulled off the hair pieces. They were not loose enough to fall off by themselves, but as I was pulling and twisting on the biggest, external hair piece to see whether the head is complete (with ears, etc) underneath, I started noticing the places where they joined. So, being curious and planning to rehair it anyway, I pulled a little more, to the point where it started separating at the sides and it became apparent how everything fit together and how it could be taken apart. So I stopped to take photo number 2, then yanked off the piece, then did the same with the side pieces, and finally with the inner back. No cutting or even heating required at all. At least with the head sculpt I had.

Thank you -- that's really good to know. 

GubernatorFan wrote:Hair adhesive. I followed the Morezmore tutorial to a T (or close to that) when I did my first hair experiment (one of my Conans -- see Conanesque -- and comment there if you'd like), and really hated it. It wasn't even the usual problem people have with it (getting thick), but it got everywhere and didn't dry fast enough or (seemingly) adhere strong enough (which may have really been a problem with my application). So I switched to superglue and Allene's fabric tape. As you say, that last one might be the best solution for you. It is not super strong, and can be scraped off if need be, and is less messy than glue -- if you handle it carefully anyway. You would apply it in a similar way: basically make a series of relatively narrow bands parallel to the bottom neck line around the back of the neck and then to each other, leaving a gap for the face and forehead. Then put a few to provide sufficient coverage at the top of the head (I have not mastered the cowlick but maybe if you read Morezmore more carefully than me you would figure it out). If you are worried about messing up, I cannot recommend strongly enough using a head sculpt that is not your only one of that particular kind -- if nothing else, you would feel less worried and nervous about doing this to it. And of course if something went seriously wrong... Smile

Ah, I see. So you are using a combination of superglue *and* fabric tape at the same time? That sounds like it might indeed work best... wondering if I could apply the hair [in stages] with the tape, but then after each row is in place, carefully dab on superglue with a toothpick to make it stick on a bit more permanently? Idk. I will experiment. And I will indeed use a headsculpt that is not my best one to try it out at first. Smile

I really do dislike using glue directly on figures THAT much that I've even tried using tibetan lamb hair wigs, some of which have worked, some of which have not. But of course, glueing the hair directly onto the head is the more ideal solution, given the scale. And since so many custom artists charge INSANE amounts of money for this particular service [I've seen 'real hair' HT Anakin headsculpts going for $1000 on ebay -- not even repaints, just regular HT heads that have been rehaired O.o ], I am coming to feel this might be one of those skills I need to force myself to learn asap. At least, if I want to achieve any of my customization goals anytime soon... 

GubernatorFan wrote:
Metallic sheen. I have noticed that before, and it is very noticeable on their molded Aquaman hair. It is part of their solution to the problem of painting sculpted blond hair -- it is actually light shades of beige or brown and looks somewhat transparent in reality, whereas they go for bronzed shades of beige of brown. Here it comes into play with the highlights (much less so with the top of the headsculpt where the hair is darker); it was also like that with some of the Thor and Captain America head sculpts. It is not the worst approach, but does look a little weird. Actually, since my acrylic markers are not labeled as to color, some of what I thought was brown might have been bronze, so it still shows up a little bit -- but less noticeably -- among the little paint touch ups I did to the surviving sculpted forelocks and facial hair. But overall, I completely agree -- real hair is better.

Aw, yeah, I do understand why they do it. I just find it a bit frustrating, because while it seems to have the desired effect in certain light, it tends to look overly metallic in other types of lighting. 

And thank you SO much for taking the time to answer all of my questions. You are probably one of the most patient and helpful people I've encountered on the internet. :')


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14Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:02 pm

GubernatorFan

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skywalkersaga wrote:Thank you -- that's really good to know. 


Ah, I see. So you are using a combination of superglue *and* fabric tape at the same time? That sounds like it might indeed work best... wondering if I could apply the hair [in stages] with the tape, but then after each row is in place, carefully dab on superglue with a toothpick to make it stick on a bit more permanently? Idk. I will experiment. And I will indeed use a headsculpt that is not my best one to try it out at first. Smile

I really do dislike using glue directly on figures THAT much that I've even tried using tibetan lamb hair wigs, some of which have worked, some of which have not. But of course, glueing the hair directly onto the head is the more ideal solution, given the scale. And since so many custom artists charge INSANE amounts of money for this particular service [I've seen 'real hair' HT Anakin headsculpts going for $1000 on ebay -- not even repaints, just regular HT heads that have been rehaired O.o ], I am coming to feel this might be one of those skills I need to force myself to learn asap. At least, if I want to achieve any of my customization goals anytime soon... 

Aw, yeah, I do understand why they do it. I just find it a bit frustrating, because while it seems to have the desired effect in certain light, it tends to look overly metallic in other types of lighting. 

And thank you SO much for taking the time to answer all of my questions. You are probably one of the most patient and helpful people I've encountered on the internet. :')

You are very welcome! Me, patient? Keep telling me that, it might catch on. Smile

Removing the sculpted hair on this one was the easy part. Again, keep in mind that HT's attempts to make this type of hair look more realistic by creating it in layers of softer plastic than the underlying head sculpt allows more opportunities for easier customizing. The hard plastic glued inside neck connector, on the other hand, is a son of a she-dog to remove (but somehow perseverance worked out).

No, I don't use both Allene's fabric tape and superglue at the same time, sorry if I gave you that impression. At least not systematically. I have haired head sculpts using Allene's tape, and then I have haired head sculpts using superglue. Unless you are planning on pulling on the hair and the head both at the same time and in different directions with some force, Allene's tape is probably sufficient for your purposes. I guess I find superglue easier, since you don't have to cut it into narrow little strips and then fight to apply it to the scalp and then to apply the hair into it. With the glue, you just get it onto your toothpick, smear it on the scalp, then apply the hair and press with a dry toothpick. Actually the process is very similar, but somehow seems easier to me. But since you are not comfortable with glue, go with the tape. You can undo either application -- you can probably scrape off the tape after yanking off the hair if needed, or you can shave down the hair if you need to apply more glue and new hair (I have done that).


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15Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:03 pm

skywalkersaga

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Ah, ok, thank you for clarifying! I'll give it a go and see what works. Smile


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16Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:43 pm

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skywalkersaga wrote:Ah, ok, thank you for clarifying! I'll give it a go and see what works. Smile

No problem. Buying re-haired head sculpts from eBay can be an expensive prospect indeed. Looking forward to seeing what you do.


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17Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:58 pm

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great ideas and results!! cheers

18Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:14 pm

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Thank you very much, Alex! Glad you liked it.


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19Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:46 pm

chrisinbama

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This is very interesting. I've been fighting with applying hair to my figures...it's making me want to jump off a bridge. I've had to redo them several times. All that wasted time and effort!! The biggest problem for me is that I thought this glue was supposed to be permanent and waterproof, but the hair keeps falling out...especially after getting it wet. I can't seem to get it right. I have the hair exactly how I want it, but then when I try to style it or just wet it so it will lay down, the glue ends up letting go. And my nice hair is over, and I have to do it all again. I've been using the Alene's. I was following some youtube tutorials. But for me, even with the figures whose hair didn't end up falling out the hair still ends up rising out and looking crazy. I can't get it to stay down. So I'm going to try your method and see what happens. I was interested to see you didn't rinse out the shampoo/conditioner mixture. I will see about this. And I never would've thought about the fabric tape...thought it would be bulky under the hair. I'm interested in trying this now as well.

Have you tried to color any hair? I saw that you used lamb's hair. I'm just using synthetic hair I found at a hobby store. Maybe that will make a difference as well. I'm very disappointed with all my hair efforts so far, but am getting excited at the possibility of finding some solutions!

20Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:53 pm

skywalkersaga

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I wonder if perhaps the issue might be the way the water is interacting with the synthetic hair and the glue? Note that most synthetic hair doesn't hold up well to being treated like 'real' hair. You will probably have much better success with tibetan lamb hair, as it is more delicate and less 'heavy' than a lot of synthetic doll hair. 

Once you do use the tibetan lamb hair, you can also try just 'misting' it with a small spray bottle, instead of completely soaking it. That could also help keep the moisture from getting to the glue, if that still seems to be an issue.


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21Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:00 pm

chrisinbama

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Yes, I do think I would like to try the lamb. I've been thinking about it for a while. Now it seems like a MUST.

22Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:06 pm

Stryker2011

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For glue, I used this stuff (recommended by the Morezmore site):

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00178MNFO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It works pretty good, but you are going to lose some of the hair. I’ve run my one head under the faucet (gently) a few times, and haven’t lost as much as I would have thought.


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23Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:14 pm

chrisinbama

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That's the stuff I used. Hair still fell out. I'm afraid to get anyone else's hair wet because the one man's fell out.

24Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:17 pm

Stryker2011

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Check out the Morezmore links. There’s a trick to gluing the small sections of hair before you apply them to the head — it allows for the glue to interact and connect with more of the hairs — which means less hair will fall out.


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25Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:15 pm

GubernatorFan

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chrisinbama wrote:This is very interesting. I've been fighting with applying hair to my figures...it's making me want to jump off a bridge. I've had to redo them several times. All that wasted time and effort!! The biggest problem for me is that I thought this glue was supposed to be permanent and waterproof, but the hair keeps falling out...especially after getting it wet. I can't seem to get it right. I have the hair exactly how I want it, but then when I try to style it or just wet it so it will lay down, the glue ends up letting go. And my nice hair is over, and I have to do it all again. I've been using the Alene's. I was following some youtube tutorials. But for me, even with the figures whose hair didn't end up falling out the hair still ends up rising out and looking crazy. I can't get it to stay down. So I'm going to try your method and see what happens. I was interested to see you didn't rinse out the shampoo/conditioner mixture. I will see about this. And I never would've thought about the fabric tape...thought it would be bulky under the hair. I'm interested in trying this now as well.

Have you tried to color any hair? I saw that you used lamb's hair. I'm just using synthetic hair I found at a hobby store. Maybe that will make a difference as well. I'm very disappointed with all my hair efforts so far, but am getting excited at the possibility of finding some solutions!

Sorry, I haven't had much time here lately, hope this is not too late.

I don't like the glue recommended by Morezmore -- maybe I don't have the discipline or patience for it, and it takes too long to cure. I use superglue (lately Gorilla). But otherwise I do recommend you follow the Morezmore method (summarized in my threads and linked somewhere there). Just make sure you're dividing up the hair clumps into small, manageable portions, and you have them fairly flat when you apply them to a section of the scalp. You can apply a bit of glue onto their end or, like me, on the scalp before pressing them on. I use toothpicks to help me -- one to apply the glue, another to press the hair on. Both need to be changed often with fresh ones to avoid making too much of a mess. Let it sit for awhile so the glue dries sufficiently (otherwise you'd make more of a mess), then gently pull out loose hair strands (there will be plenty, no matter how well you did the gluing-on of the hair). Then rinse; a few more loose strands might come apparent, though they would not have been detached by the water alone.

Full-strength product (conditioner or even shampoo) is probably too strong for styling lamb hair, resulting in clumps or a very wet look. That's why I dilute the shampoo+conditioner combo with water. If you want it to hold a shape or style, you shouldn't rinse it off.

Coloring hair in our scale is not usually done, and probably almost impossible to do successfully. Lamb hair might actually be doable in that respect, as it is not synthetic. I only apply a little acrylic marker when I try to fill in any small bald spots and any dry glue "moss" effect at the roots of the hair. But the color has to match fairly closely, which depends on what you have available in terms of hair and in terms of markers. If you want to use acrylic paint, you would probably have to mix it with water quite a bit so it doesn't make clumps when applied -- that's why I prefer using the markers.

Hope this helps.


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26Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:28 pm

Ovy

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GubernatorFan wrote:
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Coloring hair in our scale is not usually done, and probably almost impossible to do successfully. Lamb hair might actually be doable in that respect, as it is not synthetic. I only apply a little acrylic marker when I try to fill in any small bald spots and any dry glue "moss" effect at the roots of the hair. But the color has to match fairly closely, which depends on what you have available in terms of hair and in terms of markers. If you want to use acrylic paint, you would probably have to mix it with water quite a bit so it doesn't make clumps when applied -- that's why I prefer using the markers.

Hope this helps.

About lamb colouring:  I use this....blanket thing, which was actually light grey lamb hair. I used cheap brown, later black and blonde permanent hair colouring products to color it for rooting. The blond was kinda strange but the rest worked out good.This thing might serve me for a lifetime. At the moment I am experimenting with markers on the blonde section for non-natural colors.
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27Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:32 pm

skywalkersaga

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You can buy tibetan lamb hair in many different colours — try searching on both eBay and Etsy for a variety. If you include actual angora mohair you would find in an even greater range of colours, though honestly I prefer the tibetan lamb hair for 1/6 scale as it is actually a bit finer, not to mention more affordable!

If there is a particular colour you need that isn’t readily available, you could also enquire about it to the seller and see if they might be able to get it in stock. 

Also, if you want hair that is mixed /multi colours, this is doable you just have to mix the fibers together by hand during the gluing process [as seen above in GF's tutorial].

ETA: Cross posted with Ovy. Of course, dyeing the lamb hair is possible as it is natural fiber, but many nice colours are already available to purchase if, like me, that’s a step you prefer to skip. Wink

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28Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:19 pm

chrisinbama

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Yeah, I'm thinking the problem was probably a combination of things. I used synthetic doll hair, the fabritac glue, maybe didn't let it set well enough, and used fabric softener on the hair which was suggested by several youtube doll people. For whatever reason, it seemed to work for those people but I had nothing but problems. I've ordered some of the lamb hair in the colors I need so I don't have to bother with coloring. I did not have good luck with coloring it either, tho I think those directions I was following were also meant for the lamb stuff. So we'll see what happens. I need black, brown and ginger hair...I got two different shades of brown for the brown-haired fellow so I can blend the colors to make it more natural looking without attempting to get that look by manually coloring it. It's definitely a step I want to skip for all time. LOL!

29Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:21 pm

chrisinbama

chrisinbama
I really like how your Aquaman turned out, GF! Super cool! And one of the men I'm making has long hair similar to this, so I'm hoping I can do as good a job (or even if it's close!) as you've done! Thank you for all the tips!

30Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:22 pm

Stryker2011

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Yeah, coloring won’t work on synthetic hair — it’s not porous.


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31Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:56 pm

GubernatorFan

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chrisinbama wrote:I really like how your Aquaman turned out, GF! Super cool! And one of the men I'm making has long hair similar to this, so I'm hoping I can do as good a job (or even if it's close!) as you've done! Thank you for all the tips!

Thank you very much, glad you liked it. Hope you are happy with what you end up doing and share it with us!


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32Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:55 am

shovelchop81

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I use super glue and worry about my fingers later!

33Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:21 am

GubernatorFan

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shovelchop81 wrote:I use super glue and worry about my fingers later!

You are indeed a martyr to your art, no wonder what you make is outright miraculous. Smile Great to see you on again!


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34Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:23 pm

chrisinbama

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Shovelchop, does it not make it all hard and clumpy? I guess it doesn't or you wouldn't be saying it. LOL! I just know whenever I use super glue in regular life it's so ridiculous.

35Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:49 pm

shazzdan

shazzdan
Superglue (cyanoacrylate) actually requires water to cure (it absorbs hydroxide ions from moisture in the air) so it seems like a good choice.

Nice job. The lamb hair looks surprisingly realistic. It would be neat to have a few more step-by-step pics and put this in the tutorial section.


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36Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:18 pm

GubernatorFan

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shazzdan wrote:Superglue (cyanoacrylate) actually requires water to cure (it absorbs hydroxide ions from moisture in the air) so it seems like a good choice.

Nice job. The lamb hair looks surprisingly realistic. It would be neat to have a few more step-by-step pics and put this in the tutorial section.

I didn't know that about superglue.

And thank you very much. It is now my only go-to solution. I've now done several, most recently this one, then Conan (HERE), and Bucky (HERE). I tried to address the more photos make a tutorial issue with Conan, although I apparently don't know how to count past 4 (messed up the numbers when labeling the photos).


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37Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:08 pm

shovelchop81

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chrisinbama wrote:Shovelchop, does it not make it all hard and clumpy? I guess it doesn't or you wouldn't be saying it. LOL! I just know whenever I use super glue in regular life it's so ridiculous.

Yes it will go hard so I use it only at the tips of the 'roots' which I do in layers from bottom/underneath to top changing the angle as needed and choosing a hairline where ever it needs to be; I often use the fringe to cover up any mess from the hairline and use a scalpel to cut away any excess glued clumps of hair at the 'roots'. Hard to explain lol.

38Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:13 pm

shovelchop81

shovelchop81
GubernatorFan wrote:
shovelchop81 wrote:I use super glue and worry about my fingers later!

You are indeed a martyr to your art, no wonder what you make is outright miraculous. Smile Great to see you on again!

Laughing literally putting bits of myself into my work! Cheers, just popped by as this thread showed up in my email. I'll try and come back more often, just having a hiatus hopefully, up to my neck in fragile Gundam builds right now, choosing the hardest ones I can find of course!! Twisted Evil

39Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:35 am

chrisinbama

chrisinbama
Shovelchop...haha! I'll have to do some experimenting.

40Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:29 am

Valiarde

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That Aquaman looks really really good! Also very helpful that you post these step by step pictures!


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41Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:30 am

shovelchop81

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chrisinbama wrote:Shovelchop...haha! I'll have to do some experimenting.

I find that's the best way to learn new techniques, go for it!

42Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:21 pm

GubernatorFan

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Valiarde wrote:That Aquaman looks really really good! Also very helpful that you post these step by step pictures!

Thank you very much. And glad it was helpful. The Arnie/Conan mod had more step-by-step coverage.


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43Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:01 am

shovelchop81

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GubernatorFan wrote:
Valiarde wrote:That Aquaman looks really really good! Also very helpful that you post these step by step pictures!

Thank you very much. And glad it was helpful. The Arnie/Conan mod had more step-by-step coverage.

I just realised looking at your progress pics that some of them looks like his hair is actually underwater, it's just a thought for anyone making a similar mod might consider going that route especially if they are struggling to keep hair in place etc..

44Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head Empty Re: Converting Jason Momoa HT Aquaman Head on Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:45 pm

dadrab

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Late chiming in...as usual...

You make it look easy, GF. And, it looks so damn good.

Mighty fine...

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