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1 Painting seamless bodies on Sun May 13, 2018 6:05 pm

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We have discussed the possibility of painting seamless bodies time and again. Most of this discussion was centered on the silicone Phicen/TBLeague bodies, but upon discovering that Jiaou bodies were indeed made from a different material (TPE), I thought I should check if a simpler solution might work here.

As you might recall, one of my Jiaou bodies ("brown") broke out into splotches of more intensive color after treatment with water, soap, and benzoyl peroxide to remove a stain (see HERE). So I decided to experiment on the body, which was otherwise ruined for me. I painted parts of the arms and legs with Vallejo burnt umber acrylic paint and in Molotow signal black marker, and also tried some simple tattoos in both. It worked, sorta.



As expected, the elbow and knee joints were most problematic. On a conventional jointed body, paint application in these areas would rub off from the friction between the surfaces of the two parts of the body. Here it would crack and flake, for a slightly different reason -- the stretching of the material under it. Dabbing the paint on stretched or unstretched material and applying new layers did not help. Although for the most part the paint did not fall off, it cracked, and the cracks became more apparent as the material stretched under them (whether on the outside or inside of the elbows and knees). This problem was common to both applications, but more obvious with the Molotow marker.



On the elbows I used the same paint applications, but this time tried to apply only a thin painted on layer of color, and only once. The result, while certainly not perfect, seems better to me, with smaller and less apparent cracks in the paint. Here the Molotow marker seems to work better than the regular acrylic paint.





For smaller details like tattoos, both the regular acrylic paint and the Molotow marker worked well. The regular paint was easier to clean up (while fresh) than the Molotow marker, in case you made a mistake. After the tattoos dried, I tried to rub them off, and they hardly even smudged.



So there you have it. The simple painting of the TPE surface with acrylics is not an unqualified success, but still an advantage for the Jiaou bodies, should someone need to customize them with painted-on details or a wholesale change in color. Remember, acrylics are elastic, but not as elastic as the underlying TPE. The good news here is that they do cure/dry on it, even though you have to watch out how you apply them in areas of considerable stretching (like the elbows and knees) and be willing to put up with a degree of imperfection or cracking in the most bent/stretched poses.

Hope this has been useful, and you share your opinions, advice, and experiences.


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2 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon May 14, 2018 4:38 am

Very informative.

I've seen customisers on a group somewhere use pastel chalks succesfully to color a body. Seems to be hard wearing enough, but as to the longevity of the work, who knows. I'm happy to wait for an official release tbh.


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3 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon May 14, 2018 7:35 am

Nice tips.
I wonder about "flex additives " for artist paints similar to the stuff used in the 70's on urethane car parts.
Is such a thing in existence?
Would it help?

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4 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon May 14, 2018 8:09 am

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I tried the acrylic paint thing on the Wicked Witch I did. it doesn't work. Just touching the painted parts cracks the paint. Luckily, I didn't paint the entire body, so I could put her in the pose I wanted to, and never touch her again.

I've also heard people having success with chalk pastels. Tried that once, as well... completely ruined a Phicen body as, while I was working on it, a really heavy amount of chalk got on the figure from my fingers in areas that wouldn't be covered by clothing, and it didn't wash off no matter what I did. I don't know how those that have used pastels have had success, and like most "secrets" they won't reveal HOW. Apparently, if there's a chance to make a lot of money off people...

I've been reading up, and watching YouTube videos, on silicone figure making (animation stuff mostly), and there is a technique for coloring the silicone prior to casting (where the pigment is mixed right in with the silicone). I have yet to find out how the silicone is "painted" after the fact. I imagine you have to purchase special silicone paints from a company that sells film-making supplies (for special makeup effects and animation), because the normal stuff bought at art supply or craft stores isn't going to cut it.


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5 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon May 14, 2018 10:15 am

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Andrew wrote:Very informative. I've seen customisers on a group somewhere use pastel chalks succesfully to color a body.

Thank you. That technique (pastels) has been recommended for Phicen bodies, but not as a quite permanent solution -- although see Stryker's post.

Pontiacivan wrote:Nice tips. I wonder about "flex additives " for artist paints similar to the stuff used in the 70's on urethane car parts. Is such a thing in existence? Would it help?

Thank you. I have no idea, as it is the first time I hear about this. Perhaps you could tell us more?

Stryker2011 wrote:I tried the acrylic paint thing on the Wicked Witch I did. it doesn't work. Just touching the painted parts cracks the paint.

Sorry to hear. What kind of body was this? The one experimented on was a TPE Jiaou body, not a silicone Phicen/TBLeague body. The cured acrylic (even if cracked) seems quite resilient to touch and even stretch.

Stryker2011 wrote:I've also heard people having success with chalk pastels. Tried that once, as well... completely ruined a Phicen body as, while I was working on it, a really heavy amount of chalk got on the figure from my fingers in areas that wouldn't be covered by clothing, and it didn't wash off no matter what I did. I don't know how those that have used pastels have had success, and like most "secrets" they won't reveal HOW. Apparently, if there's a chance to make a lot of money off people...

Sorry to hear. I have not tried this method yet, in part because I believed it to be exceedingly messy, while impermanent (although in a sense it seems to be permanent, judging by your comments).

Stryker2011 wrote:I've been reading up, and watching YouTube videos, on silicone figure making (animation stuff mostly), and there is a technique for coloring the silicone prior to casting (where the pigment is mixed right in with the silicone). I have yet to find out how the silicone is "painted" after the fact. I imagine you have to purchase special silicone paints from a company that sells film-making supplies (for special makeup effects and animation), because the normal stuff bought at art supply or craft stores isn't going to cut it.

For silicone (not the TPE of the Jiaou Dolls) there is also the Rite dye method, which apparently produces decent results, but requires submerging the bodies in hot water-and-dye repeatedly and putting up with an awful stench (and silicone is apparently more tolerant to heat than TPE is). And although he could not give very detailed specifics, the guy who did it did tell us how it is done. In theory, mixing silicone pigments (like Silc Pig) with thinned silicone (apparently odorless spirits work as a thinner) ought to produce the desired effect. I am still experimenting on a Phicen M31 (first experiment seemed to work better than second, have yet to brace myself for a third). The more professional solutions require mixing very specific compounds (not always readily available) and wearing a special breather to avoid inhaling the fumes -- that seems too hardcore for me.


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6 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon May 14, 2018 10:55 am

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GubernatorFan wrote:
Stryker2011 wrote:I tried the acrylic paint thing on the Wicked Witch I did. it doesn't work. Just touching the painted parts cracks the paint.

Sorry to hear. What kind of body was this? The one experimented on was a TPE Jiaou body, not a silicone Phicen/TBLeague body. The cured acrylic (even if cracked) seems quite resilient to touch and even stretch.

The body was a Phicen/TBL. Pretty much reacted as the Jiaou for you. Acrylic isn't as flexible as one would think. Pressing on the body after several layers, cracks the paint. Found that out when I went to pose it. After that, I avoided touching any surface that was painted. It's hardly noticeable if put in a neutral "museum pose", but anything extreme and it would look like your Jiaou body.


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7 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon May 14, 2018 11:10 am

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Stryker2011 wrote:The body was a Phicen/TBL. Pretty much reacted as the Jiaou for you. Acrylic isn't as flexible as one would think. Pressing on the body after several layers, cracks the paint. Found that out when I went to pose it. After that, I avoided touching any surface that was painted. It's hardly noticeable if put in a neutral "museum pose", but anything extreme and it would look like your Jiaou body.

Well, part of the problem was using the silicone Phicen/TBLeague body -- I am actually surprised you got the acrylic to cure/dry on it at all (did you use the hairdryer method, where you force the paint to dry before it could crawl off?). It works better with the TPE Jiaou body. The second problem is using several layers -- that seems to exacerbate the caking/cracking/flaking problem (compare/contrast the knees and elbows on my Jiaou -- I used multiple layers and thicker application on the knees, and just one layer/application on the elbows). The basic moral of the story is that if you want to use something as simple as acrylic paint or acrylic marker, you have to go with TPE (i.e., a Jiaou body) and use thin (single?) layers of application. And be prepared for some stretching and minor cracking -- it reminded me of the way thin socks or ladies' hosiery show the underlying skin when stretched.


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8 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon May 14, 2018 12:37 pm

Here's what I can tell you about flex additives:
In the 70's and 80's the 5 MPH number was mandated by the Government ( lobbiests, in truth) . The idea was to save insurance companies from having to pay on extreme low speed, parking lot "bump and runs" when a car pulled too far into a spot and hit the opposing one.
A large number of cars had a heavy battering ram type bar across the front of the subframe, to resist fender wrinkles, and a light weight urethane bumper cover over the top. ( think Camaro, Mustang, Trans Am) Anything 5 MPH and under would just pop back, occasionally requiring heat.
Unfortunately, the paint would often crack and a claim was filed anyway. Manufacturers came up with an additive that mixed with the paint and was extremely flexible.
Modern manufacturers have stopped this, either because newer paints are naturally more flexible, or because people would file a claim regardless.
I know many of the body shops still carry it for the 100% accurate restorations. It was called flexative, but has had other generic names.at It is available for laquer or enamel paints.
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9 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon May 14, 2018 12:52 pm

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Thanks for the explanation, Pontiacvan. How appropriate that you would know about such car details! I will try to look into it. I wonder whether it would work with acrylics.


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10 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon May 14, 2018 2:05 pm

Very helpful work, sir. Thank you.

I had a feeling I knew how it was all going to turn out before reading the end, but was actually pleasantly surprised there was not more cracking. I was expecting most of the paint to just flake off as there really cannot be a chemical bond formed between a plastic and a water-based product (acrylic paint) with nothing to catalyze a reaction between the two.

Mixing in a dye with the silicone batch at the outset would be about the only way get a truly colored, non-cracking result, but the RIT dye option gives me hope.

I was also reminded of an experiment that won me second prize at the regional science fair when I was in the 9th grade. I took swatches of polyester cloth and colored them in a solution of vinegar and and appropriate dye. The vinegar was the catalyst. The result, if all the measurements were correct, the temperature correct and the time frame was right, was that ALL the molecules of the dye were deposited onto the cloth, leaving the original dye bath clear. I wonder...

Musings for another day, I reckon.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not planning on a dye party as I don't really have a sacrificial body to do it with, but the possibilities are intriguing. I've long had a hankering for a She-Hulk.

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11 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon May 14, 2018 2:22 pm

Interesting experiment. The marker looks the closest to something that'd work, although I'm not sure about practical application. Might work best for hand drawn tattoos, if you've got the drawing skills to pull it off. I know as far as dying the while body, a friend tried the Rite dye method, along with a few other types of dyes, and it was all a complete failure.

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12 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon May 14, 2018 2:40 pm

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Thanks, dadrab and ReverendSpooky. We do have to keep in mind what is what, as the two leading seamless bodies are not made of the same material. Apparently silicone is more tolerant to heat than TPE, so our strategies might have to differ -- for example, the Rite dye treatment might damage the TPE body, while it apparently worked for at least some customizers using the silicone body (see muscledog's posts in my Jiaou male body review on the old forum). There are real silicone painting systems (one of the simplest ones appears to be hard to come by in the States) that might be much more promising, but like I said they often require a lot more and even the wearing of a special breathing apparatus to avoid the fumes. I am not quite ready to go to such lengths -- yet.


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13 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon May 14, 2018 2:48 pm

GubernatorFan wrote:...but like I said they often require a lot more and even the wearing of a special breathing apparatus to avoid the fumes. I am not quite ready to go to such lengths -- yet.

I do understand your trepidation, however, most automotive paint supply stores have pretty nice respirators available for about $20. Automotive paint is some nasty stuff and they do the trick just fine. Recently restored and painted a set of European bumpers for my old Mercedes 560SEL and had to buy one. No complaints.

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14 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon May 14, 2018 3:01 pm

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dadrab wrote:I do understand your trepidation, however, most automotive paint supply stores have pretty nice respirators available for about $20. Automotive paint is some nasty stuff and they do the trick just fine. Recently restored and painted a set of European bumpers for my old Mercedes 560SEL and had to buy one. No complaints.

Respirator -- that's the word! Thanks... getting the terminology right would be a good first step, no? Smile When I was doing the research, it seems that the simplest and best product didn't even necessarily require that or most other precautions. Unfortunately it is very hard to find in the States (it is Canadian).


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15 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon May 14, 2018 4:03 pm

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Actually, you can get respirators at any hardware store like Menards, Home Depot, etc.. It’s basically like a gas mask, but you’ll need some sort of safety goggles to go with it (unless you get the more expensive ones that have them attached.


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16 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed May 16, 2018 9:00 am

I like to show You Friends here Magic...another World. Thats why i never ever show making offs. But i see here you ruin your figures by testing colours. After long trems i ruin my figures i found IT ! I use phichen bodys. Clean them with soap. Then use the colour ...maybe more than one time on the figure. You can never get the colour off anymore ! I try it with nail polish remover, no chance.



You can see what i need for the bodys. The stuff has to be enough for 50 Figures.



Grey- blue... i try to make a Dark Elf, Drow , Dunmer.





An Orc i planed..



here you can see the original phichen male body colour at Skerf and the version i did at the Idiot


The Ork Body is more shiny than the Drow because i use the nail polish remover on it. I clean the Body with soap after the use of Nail Polish. Because this is very aggressiv. That is Months ago and there is no damadge at the phichen skin. Respect to phichen

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17 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed May 16, 2018 9:08 am

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Cool. Was there a trick to how you applied the color? Did you just color directly with the pastel stick, or did you grind them into powder and rub it on?


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18 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed May 16, 2018 9:43 am

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Thank you for the insight, Ephiane. This will be very helpful. But I do second Stryker's questions -- do you simply paint onto the surface with the pastels?

You mention the color cannot be removed (which can be a good thing), but does it stain other surfaces it comes into contact with?

Can you mix colors effectively, if a ready-made color would not do the work sufficiently well?

Thanks again!

PS -- I only experiment on figures that were already ruined in one way or another. The Jiaou body were I tested acrylics had broken out in blotches after an attempt to clean it from unintentional stains.


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19 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed May 16, 2018 10:39 am

Come on, Friends 5.99 $ Very Happy You have to buy and try it. On my Figures the paint is now many months and the Phichen skin is in excellent condition.That is another Thing why i don´t tell this to the community. I have to wait, to see if my idea ruined your figures Wink But i think oil / pastels are good for rubber, maybe that save the rubber ? I use the stick directly on the skin, more than once for deeper skin tone. A nice effect is a darker tone on deeper skin zones. You can see it on the Blue one. You can´t mix the colours, but use one after the other on the skin.



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20 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed May 16, 2018 11:28 am

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Thank you for the clarification and the graphic, Ephiane! It has been awhile since I've used oil pastels (and then only on canvas), but I look forward to seeing if I can replicate your success. I have already ordered three boxes of slightly different kinds, all from Staedtler, from amazon. I didn't see the exact set you have (with the 243 product number), mine have the 241 and 242 product numbers (with 16-24 colors), but I'm hoping they are close enough to what you used successfully and that there will be enough options that allow something close to realistic skintone (or unrealistic, for fantasy figures).

I was wondering -- did you have to do anything special (like apply more or maybe less pastel) to the areas that bend and stretch (like the insides and outsides of knees, elbows, armpits, etc)?

Also, does the oil pastel still transfer on other materials that it comes into contact with after being applies to the rubbery body? I don't mean right away, but after you've left it on for awhile.


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21 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed May 16, 2018 11:44 am

Three Boxes Shocked you can see on my Box i need 3mm pastel stick for a complete Orc. I use after one layer a make up sponge, another layer.... sponge... and so on. Absolute no transfer after finsih. If You like a shiny skin like the Orc You can use water and soap on a make up Sponge. And don´t forget to clean the figure at first with soap. Phichen use a sort of talkum on the Bodys i think for anti - adhering. Before You start to use the Oil pastels You NEED to have the Skin adhering !
Can´t wait to see Your colored figures

Oh, and No. I don´t need that Make Up Sponge for myself. i´m a natural Beauty Laughing

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22 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed May 16, 2018 11:46 am

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Wow. Thank you so much for all the information, Ephi. Very useful. I may be tempted to try this again.


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23 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed May 16, 2018 4:46 pm

Wow. I'm utterly fascinated by this. Ephiane, your results definitely speak for themselves. I may just have to muster my courage, and take a shot at this myself. Thanks for posting all the information.

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24 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed May 16, 2018 5:54 pm

Thanks All. I have to say Thanks to Gubernator Fan for the Thread, that helps many Bash Nerds a Lot Very Happy

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25 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed May 16, 2018 8:36 pm

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Let it never be said that I don't do my part to help bashers. But this is all you, Ephiane. I will be experimenting on my ruined bodies as soon as the pastels arrive. Thank you again for the tips and images.


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26 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Thu May 17, 2018 7:58 pm

so much useful information here and thanks all for sharing what some consider top secret nuclear launch codes !


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27 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Fri May 18, 2018 5:45 pm

Very interesting! I will have to try the oil pastels approach. Thanks! I hope they have a lot of colors. I'm hoping to alter skintones to match heads.

Here's what I've tried so far on my Phicens:

- Chalk pastel - Sticks pretty well. Takes a lot of rubbing to remove. No cracking. Not so great as far as control and uniform color application. I grind it down, mix with water, paint it like water color.

- Acrylic - Looks better if you paint VERY thin layers. If you never move your figure (or barely) this is OK. Sadly, thin layers rub off easily, even with minor handling. Dullcoat fixative does nothing except make it all look shiny. In any case, movement will cause cracks to appear in the paint when it has dried enough. Early on, no cracks appear as the paint is still drying, but give it a few weeks or months and they'll come. Or use dullcoat to speed up the cracking Smile

- Acrylic with fabric medium (as it supposedly makes the paint flexible) - Not much better. Movement still cracks it eventually. Also, shiny as hell.

The Phicen skin surprised with how sturdy it is and how well it can be cleaned up. You can really scrub and wash it repeatedly with no visible damage. Certain stubborn chalk pastel stains did eventually come out, but they took repeated hard scrubbing. The way the body held up, it almost felt like working with real skin.

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28 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Sat May 19, 2018 3:42 am

Not really my area of expertise at all, but interesting none the less.

I thought Shovelchop might have pitched in here as he has a lot of experience with paint and different materials?

I wonder if airbrushing the paint on would make a difference, rather than hand painting? I wonder if a thinner layer of paint might be less prone to cracking? But then there is the adherence problem, and would that be more evident with a thinner layer of paint?

Questions i'm afraid rather than answers!!

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29 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Sat May 19, 2018 9:00 am

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Thanks, ZombieKev, for sharing your experience.

Paul, if anyone modified a seamless body physically, it wold be shovelchop, but I don't recall him doing so. At any rate, that would have been a requirement before proceeding to messing with the paint.

Speaking of which, if one really really wanted to match skin tones (and wasn't making e.g. Hellboy), one could always repaint the head. Even if you're not super experienced as a painter, if you can match the body's skin tone, you can carefully avoid the eyes and eyebrows and lips and get a decent match. I repainted several heads (to a various extents) for my M35 review photos and other recent projects.


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30 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue May 22, 2018 12:17 pm

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First attempt at painting Phicen/TBLeague seamless silicone body with Staedtler oil pastels (the 16-color pack from 241).

NOTE that these are not jumbo sized like Ephiane's, and it is more difficult to get an even, consistent color. I have also made only one oil pastel application so far, results would presumably improve by applying a second or third. Again, these are just the preliminary results from the initial test.

I used my flayed M31 rubbery silicone "skin" that I keep around for experimenting. I washed it with soap and water, made sure it was reasonably sticky, and applied the Staedtler oil pastel labeled "Van Dyke brown" to mostly just the right half of the body, so I you can see the difference (keep in mind that M31 happens to have the darkest version of Phicen "suntan"). It might have been easier to paint a body with its skeleton still inside it, and the smaller floppier parts (like the arms and lower legs) were the hardest to paint. After applying the oil pastel, I used a makeup sponge (shown) to remove excess pastel. I didn't put anything on the sponge (Ephiane noted if you want shiny skin you can put some water and soap). As you can see, plenty of pastel transferred onto the makeup sponge and onto a cotton q-tip I used to test with. However, after the application of the sponge, pastel did not transfer nearly as easily as before. I dabbed rather aggressively with white cloth, and there was no color transfer; wiping aggressively produced some limited color transfer onto the white cloth, and perhaps that might have been even less (or none at all) if I had done more sponging. It does appear that the color is permanently ensconced onto the skin.



Ephiane recommends multiple applications of oil pastel, using the sponge between each. Ephiane, chime in if you have further advice or clarifications. What makeup sponge type do you use? Do you use anything on the oil pastel other than tidying-up with the sponge at the end of the process?


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31 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue May 22, 2018 6:02 pm

Wow, I'm impressed. I think if you go over it a few times you build up a few applications, you may get more even tones. That, and it might be worth wetting the sponge a bit when you wipe between layers, just so it helps blend (these are just guesses, based on working with similar materials). And if you want to keep the more matte look, you can probably just use a dry sponge on the final layer. But seriously, I'm really impressed with the results. Thanks GubernatorFan for taking a shot at this, and Ephiane for figuring it out. Maybe it's time for me to finally give this a shot.

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32 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue May 22, 2018 7:06 pm

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ReverendSpooky wrote:Wow, I'm impressed.  I think if you go over it a few times you build up a few applications, you may get more even tones.  That, and it might be worth wetting the sponge a bit when you wipe between layers, just so it helps blend (these are just guesses, based on working with similar materials).  And if you want to keep the more matte look, you can probably just use a dry sponge on the final layer. But seriously, I'm really impressed with the results.  Thanks GubernatorFan for taking a shot at this, and Ephiane for figuring it out.  Maybe it's time for me to finally give this a shot.  

You are welcome -- for my part. Yes, I expect more applications (not to call them exactly layers) would help (or a more deliberate, careful, and systematic approach than mine, which was fairly hurried and experimental). Somewhere I read about using a little Gamsol on the oil pastels to help blending -- it was meant for blending different colors together (which could be valuable here too) on a more conventional medium, but perhaps that too can help make the pastel more even. I am (cautiously -- we don't want to jinx it) optimistic.


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33 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed May 23, 2018 6:30 am

Great Work ! You see the parts of the skin that needs a secound layer with oil pastels... and a third.... and a 4, 5 ..... maybe not only in one direction, not only up and down. In a circle to... and again... and again Very Happy . Can´t wait to see the figure You planed and the headsculpt You choose.

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34 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed May 23, 2018 7:48 am

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Ephiane wrote:Great Work ! You see the parts of the skin that needs a second layer with oil pastels... and a third.... and a 4, 5 ..... maybe not only in one direction, not only up and down. In a circle to... and again... and again Very Happy . Can´t wait to see the figure You planed and the headsculpt You choose.

Thanks, Ephiane! Yes, there are plenty of places where more pastel is needed for a more consistent color. I was going to ask you about the coloring technique -- I did use mostly straight-ish lines (though not always in the same direction or angle), but was wondering if going in a circle might be better and you have just confirmed this.


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35 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed May 23, 2018 2:28 pm

That's great work, GF. I can see where there's a learning curve, but you've taken (and shared with us) the first steps and I appreciate it.

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36 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed May 23, 2018 4:48 pm

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dadrab wrote:That's great work, GF. I can see where there's a learning curve, but you've taken (and shared with us) the first steps and I appreciate it.

Thank you dadrab! I hope to vindicate those supportive sentiments with something more finished on an actual figure. And we owe all this to Ephiane sharing some of the secrets behind her magic.


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37 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Thu May 24, 2018 6:18 am

awesome thread! Thanks @Ephiane for the super interesting insight, I'd love to see more "behind the scene" from your projects, your work is so inspiring!

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38 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Thu May 24, 2018 7:23 am

This is such a useful thread!
I don't have any seamless bodies, but the information here is fascinating and so many people have wanted to do this over the years!
Hat's off to all the great tips!

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39 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:58 am

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I finally got around to painting an entire functional TBLeague seamless body with the oil pastels. They do not seem to be very easy to mix where brown colors are concerned, so I stuck to one color (Van Dyke Brown), which matches a couple of the heads I have gotten pretty closely. Matching the result with acrylics for the harder plastic hands and feet has been a pain, however, and still a work in progress (using the pastel on the harder plastic does not work as well, since I was able to rub it off with a q tip). Anyway, here is the result. I am just showing the possibility, so don't get hung up on how suitable the body is for the character or why he's wearing Manchester United shorts. Smile

I used Staedtler oil pastels on the M30 body after having washed it with soap and water (to make it sticky) and dried it. Then I used a makeup sponge on the pastel, rinsed and dried the body again, and applied protective powder. Almost no color transfer from the pastel to the clothing (probably should have done more smoothing with the sponge and rinsing).








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40 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:16 pm

Fantastic ! You did it ! Ladys and Gentlemen... the first Pichen african Body !

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41 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:30 pm

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Thank you, Ephiane! You made it all possible after sharing your discovery.


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42 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:48 am

Really impressive results with the oil pastels, and thanks all for being so descriptive about the techniques. Tempted to try this on a spare white M34 Death Dealer body. I’m curious to know about the stability over time both in terms of colour and any material deterioration. Oil and some types of silicone don’t mix. For example, oil is often used as a destabiliser for silicone sealant to remove it. Some silicones are more oil resistant. No idea what Phicen’s recipe is though!

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43 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:42 am

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MarkEl wrote: I’m curious to know about the stability over time both in terms of colour and any material deterioration.  Oil and some types of silicone don’t mix.  For example, oil is often used as a destabiliser for silicone sealant to remove it.  Some silicones are more oil resistant.  No idea what Phicen’s recipe is though!

Ephiane and others can answer this better than me. The African body repaint is only a few days old. My original experiment (on the de-skeletalized M31 body) is a few weeks (actually almost two months) older than that, and no real issues yet. The only minor/tangent issue is that (given my typical lack of patience) I need to do more smoothing with the makeup sponge or maybe more rinsing before applying the protective powder, as there is a tiny amount of pastel transferring on tight clothing. The body does not become discolored, and I have noticed no issues with its silicon surface.


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44 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:33 pm

The oil pastels are on my Figures for months now and the phichen skin is in excellent condition. On the green body i used nail polish remover, very aggressiv stuff. I do this because i want the body in his old color for a another bash. no way, it´s still green ... but the effect is it looks more shiny now.

Don´t know what kind of silicon phichen used, but i´m sure they will not tell us Very Happy

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45 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:44 pm

Now I'm going to have to give oil pastels a try. I've been avoiding it out of fear. I'm still using chalk pastels, which takes longer on a M34. does anyone use shu uemara oil products to remove stains?

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46 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:07 pm

Damn GubernatorFan, that came out great. Since as of now TBL has only done that one thin AA body, I feel like this pastel trick is going to be the way to go for a while still, not to mention more exotic colors I'm sure will still be needed for fantasy and scifi figures. And seeing that Tyson head on the M30 body, he looks intense as hell.

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47 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:46 pm

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ReverendSpooky wrote:Damn GubernatorFan, that came out great.  Since as of now TBL has only done that one thin AA body, I feel like this pastel trick is going to be the way to go for a while still, not to mention more exotic colors I'm sure will still be needed for fantasy and scifi figures.  And seeing that Tyson head on the M30 body, he looks intense as hell.

Thank you, ReverendSpooky! The pastel trick does seem to be working pretty well. One limitation is that these pastels don't quite mix like normal paints, and there isn't much choice with the browns, at least from the several brands I have seen. The Mike Tyson heads work well with this, and here's another, Soldier Story's Jamie Foxx head, that works reasonably well (though not quite as well). The Wesley Snipes and John Boyega heads are too dark for this.


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48 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:51 pm

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So I picked up one of those cool Michael Rooker/Yondu heads (just couldn't resist the excellent craftsmanship). And of course it could only be used for that one character. So I couldn't help myself coloring another M30 with oil pastels. This time it was very difficult to reach an acceptably close match (with several layers of different blues and purples), but it ended up decent enough...







For more of the makeshift Yondu (and friends), see HERE.


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49 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:44 am

Fantastic ! You really mastered the oil pastel job . I planed so many bashes, but can´t finish anything. For the Blue phichen body i planed to make a female Star Wars Twilek. Maybe this is a Inspriation for You ?




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50 Re: Painting seamless bodies on Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:10 am

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Thanks for the encouragement, Ephiane. That image does look pretty sweet. And it is inspiring, though it would necessitate the creation of the Twilek ears (or whatever those things on the back of the head are). I could sculpt them, but I'd much prefer some soft and bendable material, and that is currently beyond my know-how. So far, I've been mostly experimenting with your technique of painting the bodies with oil pastels (thanks again), and even this wasn't intended as a truly specific and full kitbash as much as an experiment, even if inspired by the very specific head sculpt. But maybe one day...
So there are both blue and green Twileks? I thought Oona (spelling?) was green. Ah, the wonders of an expanded universe (oops... "legends"). Still, probably more fun than some of the recent Star Wars movies and the whole fan vs director and studio executive controversy Smile


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