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51Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:17 am

I could have sworn I posted on this yesterday, but...I reckon something went sideways.

Anyhow, I think the match to the sculpt is pretty damn good. Overall, the shading is very even, not splotchy. That's what impresses me the most.

Mighty fine experimental work. Hell, might fine finish work, in my book.

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52Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:09 am

Damn, I think you got a great color match!!! Really impressive, and he looks perfect.

And Yondu looks totally ready for the Guardians of the Galaxy pinup calendar here:

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53Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:54 am

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dadrab wrote:I think the match to the sculpt is pretty damn good. Overall, the shading is very even, not splotchy. That's what impresses me the most.
Mighty fine experimental work. Hell, mighty fine finish work, in my book.

Thank you very much, dadrab! I think some of that "perfection" is a side effect of having to do extra layers when I decided he was looking too blue or too purple and went over it again with a different pastel. There are a couple of spots (especially the wrist ends of the lower arms) where I should probably do a bit more before I put it away.

ReverendSpooky wrote:Damn, I think you got a great color match!!!  Really impressive, and he looks perfect.  And Yondu looks totally ready for the Guardians of the Galaxy pinup calendar

Thank you very much, ReverendSpooky. I didn't try to do any kind of special surface patterning (scars or tattoos -- then again I don't remember seeing any in the film, and I was far more concerned about getting a decent color match overall), but I'm glad you too find it acceptable. And yes, that particular photo was inspired by that sort of stuff -- tongue in cheek, of course.


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54Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:10 pm

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Pretty amazing coloring on that Yondu body.


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55Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:10 pm

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Thank you, Stryker!


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56Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:48 am

Well done on the Yondu figure GubFan. The blue match looks well blended to me. Really cool results.

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57Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:55 am

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MarkEl wrote:Well done on the Yondu figure GubFan.  The blue match looks well blended to me.  Really cool results.  

Thank you very much, Mark! The experimentation continues, I might be able to post on a new, darker African body in a few moments.


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58Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:11 pm

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I just completed (more or less) another oil pastel on a TBLeague/Phicen silicone body. I was trying to match the skin tone on the HT Finn head. The challenge was in part because oil pastels tend to come with very limited brown options, and of course are not as blendable as conventional paints (not only is oil pastel blendability somewhat limited, but it also varies from product to product, or so I read). I think I got pretty close with several coats of brown, red, blue, green, and more brown, although the protective powder dulled the color a little bit, detracting from the closeness of the match (the head is a bit warmer in tone). The relative shininess of the head sculpt also detracts from that closeness in the photos. This time matching the hands and feet painted with acrylics to the body was easier. At any rate, I was able to make a darker African body, which I might retouch in future, when more oil pastels arrive.

Here it is, first by itself, then compared to the first attempt (with a different Mike Tyson head than before). Let me know what you think and if you have helpful suggestions.

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59Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:49 am

Great Work on the Fighters, Gubernator!  I insert one of the Swamptroll Pics here, because she has a Painted seamless body and shows what is possible with a pichen body Laughing
For example, the Barbarian Guy next to the Troll has the same Body like her.

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60Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:00 pm

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Thank you, Ephiane! And thank you again for teaching us the oil pastel trick and continuing to exhibit ever more complex work, like your troll. It is almost impossible to imagine that her body is a modified version of the barbarian next to her, what with the ankle and wrist extensions, and the built-up chest and shoulders.


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61Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:09 pm

Damn GubernatorFan, you really did a hell of a good job matching those head sculpts. You mentioned the issue with the noticeable difference in texture, but I think that's something we deal with on all plastic heads on rubber bodies. It's just that much more apparent to you since you're the one doing it.

Ephiane, I'm still completely awed by that troll body. Seeing her next to the barbarian just makes it all the more apparent how complete that transformation is. Inspiring work as always.


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62Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:33 pm

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ReverendSpooky wrote:Damn, GubernatorFan, you really did a hell of a good job matching those head sculpts.  You mentioned the issue with the noticeable difference in texture, but I think that's something we deal with on all plastic heads on rubber bodies.  It's just that much more apparent to you since you're the one doing it.

Thank you very much, ReverendSpooky! In some earlier posts in this thread, Ephiane has actually outlined a technique to make the silicone surface a bit shinier, which might actually help in cases like these.


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63Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:45 pm

GubernatorFan wrote:
ReverendSpooky wrote:Damn, GubernatorFan, you really did a hell of a good job matching those head sculpts.  You mentioned the issue with the noticeable difference in texture, but I think that's something we deal with on all plastic heads on rubber bodies.  It's just that much more apparent to you since you're the one doing it.

Thank you very much, ReverendSpooky! In some earlier posts in this thread, Ephiane has actually outlined a technique to make the silicone surface a bit shinier, which might actually help in cases like these.

Oh, I remember! I'm itching to take a crack at it myself, but haven't had the right project yet. Still, quite inspired by all your success.

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64Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:57 pm

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ReverendSpooky wrote:Oh, I remember!  I'm itching to take a crack at it myself, but haven't had the right project yet.  Still, quite inspired by all your success.

I've picked up a few more African heads for the painted bodies, Muhammad Ali and Will Smith among them.


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65Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:08 pm

These are all amazing! Gives me hope for some of my planned SW 'alien' customs. Smile

Not sure I'd have the courage to try this on a tbleague until I was able to get the technique right. Does anyone know if the oil pastels would work on something that was partially seamless, like the PopToys bodies? I am trying to avoid having to resort to using fabric dye, if possible...

That reminds me, is the technique for using the chalk pastels similar to that of applying the oil pastels, or do you have to grind them up and apply them with a brush or something? I think I would prefer the more dusty look of chalk, but do the chalk pastels have more of a risk of staining, marking, or transferring colour to clothes/accessories/ one's hands/other figures? I like to handle my figures a lot, which is one of the reasons I haven't tried anything like this yet, I feared it would be too messy...

And GubernatorFan - What kind of powder are you using to 'set' the oil pastels?


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66Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:23 pm

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skywalkersaga wrote:These are all amazing! Gives me hope for some of my planned SW 'alien' customs. Smile

That reminds me, is the technique for using the chalk pastels similar to that of applying the oil pastels, or do you have to grind them up and apply them with a brush or something? ... I like to handle my figures a lot, which is one of the reasons I haven't tried anything like this yet, I feared it would be too messy...

And GubernatorFan - What kind of powder are you using to 'set' the oil pastels?

Thank you very much. Ephiane invented the technique, I simply ran with it. Smile You list the exact reason I didn't try to apply chalk powder instead. It seemed too impermanent and transferable to me. I don't know that you have to use anything to "set" the oil pastels -- just rub them down a lot with a make-up sponge, until you notice they do not transfer on (say) a test piece of fabric or paper towel. I do use silicone finishing powder (NYX Professional Makeup Studio Finishing Powder Translucent Finish) because I would do so on the seamless bodies after washing them anyway (and you would have washed them to remove the protective powder before applying the oil pastels in the first place), but I am not certain if it is actually necessary after the silicone surface has been covered with the oil pastel. I figure, better safe than sorry. By the way, you could use starch or baby powder just as well.

The above works for the silicone flesh used by Phicen/TBLeague. Jiaou uses a different rubbery flesh, although in theory it works pretty much the same way, so we're guessing the above would apply. Similarly with other rubbery seamless coverings, but they might all be something else, so you might stumble upon something that defies the technique.


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67Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:30 pm

GubernatorFan wrote: [...] I don't know that you have to use anything to "set" the oil pastels -- just rub them down a lot with a make-up sponge, until you notice they do not transfer on (say) a test piece of fabric or paper towel. I do use silicone finishing powder (NYX Professional Makeup Studio Finishing Powder Translucent Finish) because I would do so on the seamless bodies after washing them anyway (and you would have washed them to remove the protective powder before applying the oil pastels in the first place), but I am not certain if it is actually necessary after the silicone surface has been covered with the oil pastel. I figure, better safe than sorry. By the way, you could use starch or baby powder just as well.

The above works for the silicone flesh used by Phicen/TBLeague. Jiaou uses a different rubbery flesh, although in theory it works pretty much the same way, so we're guessing the above would apply. Similarly with other rubbery seamless coverings, but they might all be something else, so you might stumble upon something that defies the technique.

Ahh, ok, I understand. I was confused and thought the powder was for the oil pastels, but it's for the actual body itself and is akin to you would use anyway to add to the surface so it doesn't get too 'sticky', is that right?

I will bear in mind the potential differences between the silicone , jiaou type material, and the 'partially seamless' (rubber?) body coverings. I have no idea what the PopToys covering is made of, but I'll try to see if I can find out how effective the oil technique is on it (if it even works at all).

Another question: has anyone attempted to use ink-based, permanent watercolours on these kinds of bodies? Ether the silicone or on other types of rubber?

And finally, I saw that you'd tried permanent marker on the Jiaou experiment. I'm curious if one could colour an entire body, or even just the visible portions of it with a permanent marker? I'd even settle for being able to colour just (parts of) the rubber torso  on jointed bodies that way. (I'm trying to do anything and everything to avoid having to do the 'immersion in fabric dye' method, lol.)


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68Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:39 pm

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skywalkersaga wrote:Ahh, ok, I understand. I was confused and thought the powder was for the oil pastels, but it's for the actual body itself and is akin to you would use anyway to add to the surface so it doesn't get too 'sticky', is that right?

Correct. I suppose I thought the finishing powder might lessen any potential chance that the oil pastel might transfer, but the primary motivation was that it is supposed to be applied to the silicone surface to keep it from getting sticky.

skywalkersaga wrote: I will bear in mind the potential differences between the silicone , jiaou type material, and the 'partially seamless' (rubber?) body coverings. I have no idea what the PopToys covering is made of, but I'll try to see if I can find out how effective the oil technique is on it (if it even works at all).

Just checked it again (didn't want to get the acronym wrong): Jiaou's rubbery flesh is supposedly TPE (Thermoplastic elastomer, of which there are apparently different kinds).

skywalkersaga wrote: Another question: has anyone attempted to use ink-based, permanent watercolours on these kinds of bodies? Ether the silicone or on other types of rubber?

I haven't tried watercolor, but I doubt it will work. Acrylic paint did not.

skywalkersaga wrote: And finally, I saw that you'd tried permanent marker on the Jiaou experiment. I'm curious if one could colour an entire body, or even just the visible portions of it with a permanent marker? I'd even settle for being able to colour just (parts of) the rubber torso  on jointed bodies that way. (I'm trying to do anything and everything to avoid having to do the 'immersion in fabric dye' method, lol.)

What I tried wasn't a normal permanent marker (like a Sharpie) but acrylic marker (by Molotow, admittedly that is also supposedly permanent), on a Jiaou body. For smaller details (like tattoos) on areas that are not subject to much stretching (i.e., not joints) it might work well enough. At the joints, when they are stretched/bent, you see cracks or gaps on the stretched-out part of the surface. Your question about the permanent marker comes down to whether the permanent marker can in effect cause a permanent stain on the surface that will not rub off or be absorbed and fade away. I suspect it will not flake or have gaps like the acrylic, but apart from that I don't know whether it would be successful. I have moved since my experiments and my experimental subjects were either tossed or temporarily misplaced, so I can't do a quick TBLeague or Jiaou check.

I understand and share your reluctance to use the "immersion in fabric dye" method -- apparently results are usually uneven, require multiple immersions, and are accompanied by infernal stench. That's why I went with the oil pastel, which is apparently both easy and successful, at least on the Phicen/TBLeague silicone bodies. Other complicated methods include silicone paint (which requires mixable dyes, a respirator mask and other equipment), or (for small details and a removable solution) mixing silicone paint (like silc pig) with silicone glue. I used this for painting unpainted nipples on the silicone bodies. The result was quite decent, but if you wanted to undo it, you could scrape/rub it off the underlying silicone surface.


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69Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:19 pm

Thank you for all the clarifications, GubernatorFan. You are likely right that watercolour will not work, but my reason for thinking *permanent* watercolour might have a chance of staining it is that it's ink-based, and I was sort of thinking that maybe it would have a similar effect as the fabric dye, but I'm probably totally off on that. :p

And thanks also for the clarification re: the markers. I have a jointed body that I am hoping to colour (as well as some potential seamless ones), but it has a rubber torso which I has been proving an issue.  I was thinking to just paint the hard plastic limbs with Vallejo acrylics, and then use a permanent marker on the areas of the torso that will be showing (the upper body, neck, shoulders, etc). But maybe this is a ridiculous idea. If so, then colouring the jointed bodies without resorting to fabric dye will prove just as challenging if not even moreso than the seamless ones. I will try to experiment with the permanent marker idea, just in case...

This thread has at least given me hope for the seamless bodies, and may mean I'll even be able to use that smaller s27b type body (albeit for a different character than I'd original planned) after all. : )


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70Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:08 am

Another question for GubernatorFan, and apologies if it is a daft one, but... does the Nyx finishing powder 'transfer' at all onto hands , gloves, or other figures (when handling a 'painted' seamless figure I mean)? I realize that the whole point of it is to 'finish' the makeup so it doesn't smudge, but does the powder *itself* rub off onto other things?


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71Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:39 am

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skywalkersaga wrote:Another question for GubernatorFan, and apologies if it is a daft one, but... does the  Nyx finishing powder 'transfer' at all onto hands , gloves, or other figures (when handling a 'painted' seamless figure I mean)? I realize that the whole point of it is to 'finish' the makeup so it doesn't smudge, but does the powder *itself* rub off onto other things?

No, not after you have rubbed/brushed it onto the body (you will know you have done that when it basically blends in). It certainly doesn't damage anything, except your chances at flash photography (if you use flash, you will end up seeing chalky areas all over your figure -- or your own skin if you use it on yourself -- but there isn't much you can do about that). Remember to get the translucent version of the powder.


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72Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:26 pm

GubernatorFan wrote:

No, not after you have rubbed/brushed it onto the body (you will know you have done that when it basically blends in). It certainly doesn't damage anything, except your chances at flash photography (if you use flash, you will end up seeing chalky areas all over your figure -- or your own skin if you use it on yourself -- but there isn't much you can do about that). Remember to get the translucent version of the powder.

Ah, gotcha -- thanks for 'clearing' that up for me. ;D


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73Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:06 pm

Oh wait, @Ephiane , is your "fool" a Mr. Been head?  LOL LOve it!

Man, I'm inspired to do this now, though messing with such an expensive body scares me, LOL.  However, on the other hand, sometimes I do see stained bodies up for sale, and I'd think that wouldn't be a problem!... I'm curious if anyone tried this with chalk pastels, as I have a ton of those.  They're more desirable for using on resin.  @Gubernator you say you use a protective powder, and I see that stuff up for sale, but I'd like to know if baby powder is just as good?  I got a lot of that on hand Smile

Oh, nevermind, I see you use translucent powder, which I presume would keep it from looking weirdly powdery and chalky Smile

Anyways, this info is golden!

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74Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:21 pm

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Peaches wrote:Gubernator you say you use a protective powder, and I see that stuff up for sale, but I'd like to know if baby powder is just as good?  I got a lot of that on hand Smile Oh, nevermind, I see you use translucent powder, which I presume would keep it from looking weirdly powdery and chalky Smile

You're welcome. The translucent finishing powder is only chalky IF you happen to have some of it not sufficiently absorbed into the silicone surface (often hard to tell) WHEN you take a photograph WITH a flash. Otherwise, in normal light and non-flash photography it does not appear chalky at all. According to everything I have heard, talcum powder and baby powder and even starch are supposed to do the trick (of protecting the silicone surface) just as well.


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75Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:09 pm

Update: can confirm that permanent marker (alcohol-based) most definitely does NOT work on the rubber torsos on the regular jointed bodies. Have just attempted (on an already-damaged PopToys body), and all it did was bleed onto the limbs and then rub off the rubber, which leaves me back to square one.

It's pretty much what I expected, but I had to rule it out for myself just in case.

At this point it seems like colouring a seamless body is actually EASIER than trying to stain, paint, or dye a rubber-torso'ed, jointed one... O.o


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76Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:33 pm

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Skywalkersaga, if you’re doing a SW alien, do you need to use a female body that has any rubber at all? Or can you use one that is all plastic? Are exposed joints an issue? Or will they be covered?


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77Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:09 pm

Yeah, no it's not necessary that it's a rubber torso.  Most of the time I'm not particular about whether my bodies are jointed, hard plastic, rubber, seamless, doll-bodies....as long as they are the right *height* and the overall effect looks like the character, I'm pretty easy going about it. : )

Now, at the moment I have a number of in-progress and/or planned figures, and many of them are indeed female SW aliens.  But because I already have several extra bodies, most of which have rubber torsos, on-hand (ones that didn't work out for the non-alien projects, lol), I've been trying to use what I had, before buying even more.

So, yes, for most of these figures, I have planned the outfits strategically so that that the rubber areas won't show, and all I will have to paint are the harder plastic limbs. For one of them -- a younger character -- I have even been planning to use an Obitsu doll body, as it is all hard plastic and easier to paint the right colour.

BUT, there is one particular (version of a) character that I would really like to do that not only has an outfit that shows skin in the 'rubber' areas, but which also needs to be a particular height next to some of the other characters, and this is where it has been getting tricky for me. Because I have yet to find an 'all hard plastic' body that is the right height *and* body shape/bust-size/stature. This is why I had been trying to make the PopToys body work, as it met that criteria ...the only problem being that I had not realized at the time that I was planning it all out that rubber was almost impossible to 'paint'.

But, after reading this thread, I realized that I had been under an erroneous impression that seamless tbleague bodies and the regular rubber jointed bodies were all just as hard as each other to colour. I now see that , given the success of Ephiane's method, it seems that it's the latter that are more difficult, and which I'd have to resort to fabric dye to colour....something I'm not prepared to do at this stage.  

So, I am thinking that I may have to use a tbleague body for the above-mentioned project after all. But again, I'd need to have it in-hand to check next to the other figures to make sure it's the right height before proceeding. I'm definitely considering it, but first I was just trying to be thorough, especially since I've already had so many disappointments and I'm tired of buying bodies that don't work. I know it's all part of the hobby, but it's getting rather disheartening (and expensive) .... ;p


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78Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:01 pm

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Yeah, unfortunately, that’s the thing with this hobby. Trial and error gets to be VERY expensive, but that is pretty much the only way to do this. Tips and advice can only go so far. I have yet to attempt this body painting technique on a TBLeague body again (I tried it once, and it was an absolute disaster). I’d actually like to see a video tutorial on how folks have done this correctly.


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79Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:07 pm

Stryker2011 wrote:Yeah, unfortunately, that’s the thing with this hobby. Trial and error gets to be VERY expensive, but that is pretty much the only way to do this. Tips and advice can only go so far. I have yet to attempt this body painting technique on a TBLeague body again (I tried it once, and it was an absolute disaster). I’d actually like to see a video tutorial on how folks have done this correctly.

Yeah, I understand, and have realized that. At least I'm able to use the extra bodies for some other figures, so they're not totally wasted purchases. If anything, this hobby is forcing me to be more creative and resourceful, which is the good kind of challenge. : )  I'm sure I'll figure something out -- was really just sharing my (lack of) results in case anyone else was daft stubborn enough to try it for themselves too. ;D

And I completely agree, it would be helpful to see the full process for the oil pastel (or even regular pastel!) technique(s)....


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80Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:04 pm

Apologies for spamming the thread, but I have some questions regarding *modifying* seamless bodies (not painting-related). I searched, but couldn't find a thread dedicated to that specifically -- should I start a new one, or is there already a space for discussing it somewhere that I missed? I just wanted to ask before going too far off-topic here...


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81Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:09 pm

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skywalkersaga wrote:Apologies for spamming the thread, but I have some questions regarding *modifying* seamless bodies (not painting-related). I searched, but couldn't find a thread dedicated to that specifically -- should I start a new one, or is there already a space for discussing it somewhere that I missed? I just wanted to ask before going too far off-topic here...

Well, you haven't spammed it yet. Smile If it is a question not dealing with the above (which is about painting), why not start a new topic/thread in the general talk section?


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82Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:03 pm

Thanks, will do! Just had wanted to make sure I hadn't missed an existing one. : )


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83Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:19 pm

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While it’s not necessarily about painting the whole body, has anyone beside Very Cool had luck applying tattoos to a seamless body?


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84Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:29 am

GubernatorFan, translucent powder is also known as setting powder in the makeup works, and some companies, like Laura Mercier, make translucent setting powder specifically for darker tones. Some of that might help keep your Finn body from getting dulled down with light setting powder. Smile

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85Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:04 pm

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Aria wrote:GubernatorFan, translucent powder is also known as setting powder in the makeup works, and some companies, like Laura Mercier, make translucent setting powder specifically for darker tones.  Some of that might help keep your Finn body from getting dulled down with light setting powder. Smile

Thank you, Aria, I will keep that in mind in future. Just in case you happen to know, any tips for a powder with the appropriate properties (i.e., good for silicone and keeping it non-tacky) that does not show up too obviously in flash photos?


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86Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:39 am

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Aria wrote:GubernatorFan, translucent powder is also known as setting powder in the makeup works, and some companies, like Laura Mercier, make translucent setting powder specifically for darker tones.  Some of that might help keep your Finn body from getting dulled down with light setting powder. Smile

Thank you, Aria, I will keep that in mind in future. Just in case you happen to know, any tips for a powder with the appropriate properties (i.e., good for silicone and keeping it non-tacky) that does not show up too obviously in flash photos?

The white, translucent powders show up the most, and so does too much of it. Use a flesh-toned powder, which can be anything from peachy to darker, anything but the powder-white stuff, press it onto the figure, and dust off any that's left over before photos. Use a diffuser over the flash. A diffuser itself won't entirely eliminate the issue, but will help, especially in combination with using a powder other than the super white stuff.

Try to avoid powders with titanium dioxide and zinc oxide, which is in SPF formulas. Those are meant to deflect UV rays, but will also reflect flash. Avoid silica as well, which is mostly found in HD powders. CoverFX Perfect Setting Powder is a good bet. Not cheap, but we all know this hobby isn't cheap. Smile

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87Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:24 pm

I find reborn dolls incredibly creepy and shudder-inducing, but I came upon this tutorial on how to paint them today and immediately thought of this thread! I’m assuming most seamless bodies are made of silicone so perhaps the paints referred to here would work?

(Tw for creepy babies/body horror at the start)

https://donnaleeoriginals.com/siliconetutorial.html


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88Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:26 pm

Oh my god, I feel the same way, Lynkhart!!! I can barely stand to look at them....shudder!! O.O

That being said, I really appreciate you sharing this info here! Hopefully something good can come out of those terrors, lmao.


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89Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:45 pm

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That paint mix could be a possibility— but, yeah. EWWW! Those babies seem like some creepy “can’t let go” sort of thing.


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90Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:49 am

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Aria wrote:The white, translucent powders show up the most, and so does too much of it.  Use a flesh-toned powder, which can be anything from peachy to darker, anything but the powder-white stuff, press it onto the figure, and dust off any that's left over before photos.  Use a diffuser over the flash.  A diffuser itself won't entirely eliminate the issue, but will help, especially in combination with using a powder other than the super white stuff. Try to avoid powders with titanium dioxide and zinc oxide, which is in SPF formulas.  Those are meant to deflect UV rays, but will also reflect flash.  Avoid silica as well, which is mostly found in HD powders.  CoverFX Perfect Setting Powder is a good bet.  Not cheap, but we all know this hobby isn't cheap. Smile

Thank you for the advice, will keep it in mind.

Lynkhart wrote:I find reborn dolls incredibly creepy and shudder-inducing, but I came upon this tutorial on how to paint them today and immediately thought of this thread! I’m assuming most seamless bodies are made of silicone so perhaps the paints referred to here would work?

I agree, they are incredibly creepy, but thank you for providing the link. It is definitely an interesting tutorial or description, and it seems to lead to impressive results. That said, it seems to be more applicable to bigger (even 1:1) dolls, and subtler and semi-translucent coloring which might not be enough for the usual type of 1:6 customs. At any rate, working with special silicone coloring systems has always been an ideal solution, but also quite complicated and perhaps impractical for most of our limited purposes.


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91Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:20 pm

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I may have found an option for painting seamless figures. There’s a company out there called Smooth-On that makes silicone mold-making products and pigments. I called them this morning and they think they have an option that could work. The pigment itself is super concentrated (called Silc-Pig), much like when you go to the hardware store to get paint, it doesn’t take much to get the color you want; then you add it to Sil-poxy Rubber Adhesive (this stuff is super thick), so it has to be diluted with Smooth-On NOVOCS Matte silicone solvent (this can be thinned down to any consistency, including the ability to use it with an air-brush). I ordered all three of these things off Amazon, and I’ll let you know what the results are. Altogether it cost about $112.00 for all this stuff.


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92Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:19 pm

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Stryker2011 wrote:I may have found an option for painting seamless figures. There’s a company out there called Smooth-On that makes silicone mold-making products and pigments. I called them this morning and they think they have an option that could work. The pigment itself is super concentrated (called Silc-Pig), much like when you go to the hardware store to get paint, it doesn’t take much to get the color you want; then you add it to Sil-poxy Rubber Adhesive (this stuff is super thick), so it has to be diluted with Smooth-On NOVOCS Matte silicone solvent (this can be thinned down to any consistency, including the ability to use it with an air-brush). I ordered all three of these things off Amazon, and I’ll let you know what the results are. Altogether it cost about $112.00 for all this stuff.

I hope it works, but my experience has not been encouraging. I have experimented with Silc-Pig for years, mixing it with silicone glue (admittedly, not the same one you mention), and have on occasion attempted to thin it down (again not the same solvent). It worked poorly when I tried (though not air-brushing). The results were uneven; the best was when painting a small and concentrated area (like a nipple) -- the pigmented silicone stuck reasonably strongly, although if you really wanted to you could peel it off. Do remember to remove as much of the protective powder as you can before you start (it's easy to forget). The combination between the specific products you list above and air-brushing might lead to a better result, so let us know how it worked out. I personally gave up on that after Ephiane's breakthrough with the oil pastels.


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93Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:44 am

Question about prepping the seamless body for the oil pastel method -- once the figure is washed, how long should I let it dry?

I thought it was better to let it air-dry, or else I might get 'fluff' from the paper towel on it. But it's somewhat difficult to tell if it's dry or not yet, given that it's now extremely sticky to the touch.


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94Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:30 am

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If it’s extremely sticky, you should be good to go.

My first attempt with the silc-pig was a failure. Going to make another attempt with a different bonding agent — I’ll let you know.


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95Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:34 am

Ah ok, thanks!

And oh no.... wishing you luck on the next try!


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96Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:06 am

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Good question, to which I simply don't remember the answer. I washed with lukewarm water, and then dabbed it thoroughly with paper towels (the thick quilted kind that don't fall apart easily) to where I could see no obvious signs of wetness (and there was no fluff). Then it's oil pastel time.

Mark, I am sorry to hear the experiment didn't work -- although more serious and advanced than them, it does seem to confirm my own attempts. Remember mixing silk pig with actual silicone glue is still an option, at least for small stuff. And it being "reversible" (really, "peelable") might actually be a good thing.


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97Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:08 am

Ok....immediately i have run into a problem: the makeup sponge keeps 'sticking' to the seamless body. It's blending the colour into it just fine, but leaving residue from the sponge onto the body in the process. I'm not even sure how to fix that, or if I've totally wrecked it now! :/

What kind of makeup sponge are you supposed to blend it with???


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98Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:21 am

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skywalkersaga wrote:Ok....immediately i have run into a problem: the makeup sponge keeps 'sticking' to the seamless body. It's blending the colour into it just fine, but leaving residue from the sponge onto the body in the process. I'm not even sure how to fix that, or if I've totally wrecked it now! :/

What kind of makeup sponge are you supposed to blend it with???

Don't panic. I don't know if there is a specific type to use, or a specific type not to use (though you seem to have discovered that -- I am assuming you mean parts of the actual sponge are becoming loose and sticking to the body). Try using one of those small travel-sized lint rollers to pick up stuff that shouldn't be on the body (though now that the body is sticky, it would be harder to pick it up). Or go carefully by hand or tweezers -- patience is something we need with this hobby from time to time. If you are not doing so already, try using a specially designated blending sponge (I noticed some of mine had that description on the packaging).

By the way, if your colors are blending, you're already ahead of the curve.


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99Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:54 am

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skywalkersaga wrote:Ok....immediately i have run into a problem: the makeup sponge keeps 'sticking' to the seamless body. It's blending the colour into it just fine, but leaving residue from the sponge onto the body in the process. I'm not even sure how to fix that, or if I've totally wrecked it now! :/

What kind of makeup sponge are you supposed to blend it with???

Don't panic. I don't know if there is a specific type to use, or a specific type not to use (though you seem to have discovered that -- I am assuming you mean parts of the actual sponge are becoming loose and sticking to the body). Try using one of those small travel-sized lint rollers to pick up stuff that shouldn't be on the body (though now that the body is sticky, it would be harder to pick it up). Or go carefully by hand or tweezers -- patience is something we need with this hobby from time to time. If you are not doing so already, try using a specially designated blending sponge (I noticed some of mine had that description on the packaging).

By the way, if your colors are blending, you're already ahead of the curve.

Thanks for the calming advice, GF.  :'D

I'm still not really sure what happened there -- I had decided to experiment on parts of the body that wouldn't be showing by trying different colours and also making layers, but then it just started looking weird and almost 'scaly'. O.o  It could have been coming off the sponge, or might have been partially some residue from the pastels themselves that was sort of 'caking' on the surface of the body.... it was like, it blended a little, but then started building up a bit perhaps. But i was also worried that maybe the sponge I was using might have been scraping the silicone itself and that the residue on it was from that.

Weirdly, the parts that I *hadn't* blended with the sponge and had just applied one single layer of colour directly looked better and smoother. But I can't achieve the colour I want without several layers, so.... :/

I've taken a little break from applying the pastels and decided to try to wash the body to see what happened, just in some some soap and water. It does seem to have removed the residue and some of the 'caking' bits, leaving the underlying colour.  I was panicking also that maybe I hadn't washed it thoroughly enough to begin with, and that perhaps the residue was actually the pastels sticking to the tbleague powder. So i thought giving it a wash might help... at least that way, the parts I hadn't 'painted' yet might still be useable.

Once it dries again, I'll try to muster the courage to keep working on it... :3


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100Painting seamless bodies - Page 2 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies on Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:28 pm

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skywalkersaga wrote:Thanks for the calming advice, GF.  :'D

I'm still not really sure what happened there -- I had decided to experiment on parts of the body that wouldn't be showing by trying different colours and also making layers, but then it just started looking weird and almost 'scaly'. O.o  It could have been coming off the sponge, or might have been partially some residue from the pastels themselves that was sort of 'caking' on the surface of the body.... it was like, it blended a little, but then started building up a bit perhaps. But i was also worried that maybe the sponge I was using might have been scraping the silicone itself and that the residue on it was from that.

Weirdly, the parts that I *hadn't* blended with the sponge and had just applied one single layer of colour directly looked better and smoother. But I can't achieve the colour I want without several layers, so.... :/

I've taken a little break from applying the pastels and decided to try to wash the body to see what happened, just in some some soap and water. It does seem to have removed the residue and some of the 'caking' bits, leaving the underlying colour.  I was panicking also that maybe I hadn't washed it thoroughly enough to begin with, and that perhaps the residue was actually the pastels sticking to the tbleague powder. So i thought giving it a wash might help... at least that way, the parts I hadn't 'painted' yet might still be useable.

Once it dries again, I'll try to muster the courage to keep working on it... :3

Welcome. I was off running an errand, and thought to myself I should suggest to you simply to wash the body again, but am glad you tried that anyway, with success. You really can pat/dab it dry, unless you have some particularly unhardy paper towels that will leave remnants stuck on it. Isn't it neat how the color sticks to the body, even if some of the water from washing it seems to run with a bit of dye?

Anyway, caking is normal when working with pastels of any sort on any sort of surface. You are probably not scraping the silicone "skin" or at least not enough to damage it. The use of the makeup sponge is specifically to rub the color more into the surface and to remove excess oil pastel, so your second description seems to indicate this was in fact normal. Keep going over it with the sponge until no oil pastel rubs off from the surface onto cloth or paper towel that you use to test it. Washing it with water is fine, but be careful with soap -- if you go back to earlier posts from Ephiane, you will see it is used to make the skin shinier, and that may or may not be what you want -- of course this might be a different process so it might not apply.


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