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first medium steps with my 3d printer/update 23.09

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hi folks,

haven´t been very active for quite some time, even had my 3d printer around for about 3 months before putting it to use.
so i´m all the more happy to present you my newest, albeit small additions to my collection.

first is a 12.7 mm pistol from fallout. though i lack a usefull 3d model of a 14mm pistol this is a nice new piece for my fallout collection. sorry for the fingertip grip, the paint and coating wasn´t dry completely at the time of photo shooting, so i didn´t want any stains on the figures hands.


next is "the main piece" in my list of first steps. the ultra greatsword from the dark souls series. such a joy to use in game it simply deserved a place in my collection.
sadly i miscalculated the amount of greenstuff i needed to hide the seams, thought it would be covered better when painted, yet the paint made it even worse.
not much of a bummer since i can print the pieces anew over and over again.
i´ll add a pic of the blemishes, mainly the visible gaps where the pieces are put together and a little bit of warping along the edge at the top.
the later problem can be traced to the temperature of the printing bed, which i found out soon after.




hope you like ´em

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Nice work. I really like the gun. Pretty cool.


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Well done for getting some decent results! I haven't a clue how to use one..LOL.

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Like shovelchop said... congratulations on entering the world of 3D printing... I considered it but trying to self-learn 3D software design (admittedly on freeware) was so unpromising that I have given up for the time being. What you've managed so far looks pretty good, especially considering you are new to it.


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cool stuff !
imagining all the possibilities but sadly like Shovelchop - I wish I knew how to use one !


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3D printing is the future of this hobby. Looking forward to seeing more. Which printer did you buy? I'm currently saving for a Lulzbot.


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Nice work, man. Getting good results, as I understand, can be a bit of a challenge. You seem to be well on the way, though. The gun turned out really well.

And, I really like the knight. It's one of the CooModel versions, is it not?

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thanks guys. glad you like them.
the printer i use right now is a sp200 from saarpri, a local company. for 1300€ it gets a rather good quality and the folks that build them are "just around the corner" should i need maintenance.
the printer itself is quite easy to use, apart from a few settings i'm not familiar with at the moment. but all in all its putting a 3d model on a sd cart and selecting print, thats it.
though the tricky part is how to get the models.

first you need to extract something from the game(provided they are extractable by an existing program). second you need "nifscope" in my case of fallout/skyrim models to save them as a 3d model file ending. third program is called autodesk something(sorry need to check my laptop for the name), it mainly fixes the holes after cutting the models in half, since they are hollow by default. the trick is to cut the objects apart to place them flat on the printing bed. last but not least is simplify 3d to make the file ready to print.

geez, quite some headaches prior to the printing itself Smile though it gets easier once you took a few tries.

the knight is indeed a coo model one, royal knight if i recall correctly. was kinda 1:1 copy of the dark souls knight armor, so no effort left here.

once i'm back from vacation on friday i'll jump back into fallout items again.
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Put a few of these on ebay to help offset the prototyping costs.


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Nice, lots of potential.

CHEERS!

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Really cool! Great start, and man, the possibilities really are endless. It opens up a ton of options going forward. I hadn't even thought of extracting the 3d files directly from a game, but that's a brilliant option over scratch building them in a 3d program. Can't wait to see where you take things from here!

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infact thats the only option available to me, couldn't build a 3d model of a rock if my life depended on it, let alone build complex objects from scratch.
the whole idea of a 3d printer was build around the premise of making it as much copy paste as possible. granted it has to fit the topic, but as far as weapons go fallout new vegas weapons of the new milenia mod from nexusmods should cover about "all" modern assault rifles as well as a couple of handguns and shotguns. so even for non fallout fans these can be used for various projects.

small issue i encountered thus far is since fallout 4 lets you mod weaponry in a more complex way, the models itself are single pieces that you need to fuse together by hand. this can be a bit tricky since you have to do this for both halves and they got to align perfectly lest they don't fit together after printing. no help here but your measurement.

good thing about fallout 4 weaponry is the size, fallout new vegas weapons seem a bit "slim" after printing and i havent found a good way to broaden them up .

next project in the far future would be either a ranger or visor from quake3/live/champions depending on a program that can convert or extract .pk3 files, skyrim and fallout use meshes from .ba .ba2, total differnt source material.
but technical stuff aside the possibilities are only limited by your patience.

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can´t see a picture Crying or Very sad

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Ephiane wrote:can´t see a picture Crying or Very sad

They were there but seem to have been deleted by the OP, maybe he's replacing them with newer ones? scratch

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huh? weird, didn't take them down nor delete them. maybe my upload platform took em down 'cause "weapons" i don't know.

i did however put my printer through some more testing, unfortunately i'm down with the flue or something, so fixing them pics and uploading new ones might take a couple of days, not feeling very fit atm. sorry guys.

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The SEK Guys are on the way to You, Tjolnir.... Laughing

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then i guess they should get ready for a surprise


Laughing

just checked the site i uploaded the pics on, they seem to be down due to maintenance.
guess they´ll be visible again soon
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ok so the site seems down for quite a while now, i just re-uploaded the pics in a bulk somewhere else and toss it in here for the time be.














btw, had my first major "mishap" yesterday. took on an object that would take 8 hours straight to print only to have it (censored) up after 5 hours Sad seems like the printing bed wasn´t attached enough (4 clamps to hold it on the moving part) and got misaligned 70% through the printing..... bummer! only checked on it every hour or so, so no way to save it.

but i guess it´s part of the learning process, even the guy that sold and build the printer was surprised i had that little problems so early on, got it spewing out fallout items right now as there was no tomorrow =)

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Dude, that sucks about the printing error. But, as you say, it’s all part of the learning curve. Mistakes are what makes things better in the long run.

By the way, I’m still not seeing your pics, how did you post them?


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now its getting strange, just replying from my ipad with deleted history and can see them just fine in my latestbpost. first upload was on bilder hochladen something, second on picload. while the first still seem to be down i can watch the second just fine.... weird

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I can see the now in your second post; just not in the 1st.


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Like Stryker. Think the best option is the " Host an Image " here in the chat funktions ?

See the pics now in Your secound post. Great Stuff.... Now i know a Guy with a 3D Printer, cool. Can we be Friends ? Laughing

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gonna give the other host option a shot next time i upload some new pics, guess by tomorrow. feeling a lot better and will paint the next batch of items by tomorrow, saturday at the latest.
funny thing about the 3d printer is that i'm now using more greenstuff than ever Smile

3d models in games look all well and good but i just learned that most of them are "hollow".
guess ingame you don't need substance so once cut in half you end up with something similar to dracular and a mirror. and this seems to irritate the printer since he wants a solid base to print upon.
some programs seem to help fill the gaps but some models come out partially "raw". kinda seth brundles teleporter if that makes any sense Wink
most empty spaces i was able to fill with super glue and greenstuff and i hope once painted it won't stand out badly.

next is time: so far i had 2 weeks vacation and 1 week off due to a bad cold, but anything bigger than a few inch needs hours to print. and you shouldn't leave a 200degree celsius printing head unmonitored. so bigger items are limited to the weekends or days off.
got a new figure in the making and the first piece took 7hours to print....

oh and sure we can be friends;) i consider everyone patient and dedicated enough to put up with this hair pulling hobby a buddy of mine
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small update: wind and spraypaint doesn´t mix.... i know i know.... common sense, though i just wanted to get something done today. result ain´t to bad, yet i´ll wait for better weather and after work on saturday with the bulk of items so i´ll upload new pics rather monday than tomorrow.

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hi folks, another small update.

first batch of fallout 1 themed weapons just dry after painting, sadly my smartphone doesn´t show the colors very accurate so the pic looks a bit "off"

still i´m happy with the result in hands.



the bigger on top is the city killer shotgun

lower left is the fallout 3 version of the 10mm smg, painted in the theme of fallout 1. haven´t found a printable model of the real old version yet, so this will have to make due. as a little bonus i had the option to make the mag removable.

last but not least the starting pistol of the game. yes it´s a magazin fed drum revolver, odd but so it is written in the fallout lore

more fallout stuff coming soon....
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Nice job but You are right about them being too thin.


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another update and a few pics, with the same crappy smartphone though.

wasn´t quite satisfied with only the "modern" 10mm smg so i dug through older mod files and bingo, classic fallout 1 smg, "eureka"



hand for scale Very Happy



don´t think they come out too thin, took a .45 pistol i had around for comparison





the issue i had earlier was with the models being hollow by default, something i only understood recently by accident.
tested another tool named mesh mixer and stumbled over an option to make objects "solid"
though the option slightly decreases the sharpness of the model, it fills the empty spaces to the printer has something to work with.
on the other hand the size of the model explodes 100fold.
so there´s the reason why those ingame files don´t have any substance in them. would be a hell of a 1 tb game minimum at unplayable framerates.

so, technical stuff aside here are a few more pics of my fallout weapon collection to date, still growing




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There is a way to get rid of the layering lines. Put the item in a sealed container with a small amount of acetone. The fumes act to even out the surface. It is called vapor-smoothing. It can't be used with everything because some of the other fine detail also gets lost but a good paint job can fix a lot of that.


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Now I'm not seeing any pics at all. What photo-hosting are you using?


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this time i used the host image option here on the board. they do load eventually, though it seems to take ages for any browser to complete the loading sequence.

try to reupload smaller versions of the pics the next days
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ps: reduced the amount of redundant pics as well, might load quicker this time

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Now I got them. Cool work. I wonder how SC’s vapor smoothing technique would work for you, I’d be curious to see (I can’t imagine trying to sand something that detailed would be easy).


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They seem to be working flawlessly now. When I tried to look at them yesterday, they were taking a very long time to load. When I post images I always use ones that are reduced in size to (usually) 6 inches or less in width, so it may have been (at least in part) about the size of the photos. Anyway, you seem to have fixed it.


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as far as i read acetone works with abs filament but since i´m using pla it would just disolve upon contact.
technical stuff aside i´m far to much of a sissy to use "chemicals" to some extend, some fumes don´t mix well with my well-being. even go overboard when spray painting my stuff, didn´t wear eye protection once only to have them burn afterwards without even getting in contact with the stuff in the slightest.....

sanding might be out of the question due to the size of the items but mainly because i´m to lazy to do so atm Wink
gotta narrow down some issues with my printer first before i go full detail with my objects.

working on a protectron right now, takes a hell of a time to print the items one by one, some have "missing layers" but not consistently so.
read something about underextruding.... looking into it with the next try.

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Why PLA and not ABS?


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cheaper and needs lower temperatures to print apart form giving off almost no odor or nasty smell. right now i got my printer in my figure-room where i keep the shutters down and windows closed most of the time. when printing (mostly in the evening hours) i open the windows a bit but most of the time i´ll try to avoid sunlight on my figures.

so i figured pla would be less harmfull and to some extend less abrasive on the printhead. though i might be wrong on the later.

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That can be a problem. 3D printers don't like any sort of air movement but humans don't like the fumes they emit when there is no ventillation.


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no doubt i'll start experimenting here and there with various materials once i got the hang of my printer to some extend. right now as a bloody beginner i'm happy if the print resembles the model i chose Smile. next week i'll have to ask the company that build it how to calibrate the thing since the farther i get to the outer right edge the more objects get f'ed up.

they sure told me upon sale but amongst the dozens of things i was shown it was kinda overwhelming.
this and having some empty layers in bigger objects are among my top priorities now in order to get better.

right now i'm trying a gatling laser from fallout 1/2, the right half came out ok'ish with the last 3-4 layers missing even though the program was displaying a flawless printable object.
but that what green stuff is for, right?

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another few "thingies" for my fallout diorama/collection, as i propably won´t be able to fit everything iinto it.

at the top is a sunbeam gatling laser, late game weapon of fallout 1/2.



later versions from fallout 3 or 4 i found far less appealing, not giving me any "gatling" vibe.

below is a h&k p90c (yep in the fallout version it´s not build by herstal but heckler&koch instead)



last but not least a couple of clutter such as stimpak, holotape and tv dinner tray. gonna fix the needle of the stimpak in a later step, though my printer could get the fine lines done, getting it from the printing bed without breaking is another story. guess a bit of super glue and wire will do the trick

hope you like them
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Well you're certainly challenging yourself! These are not easy guns to so start with! Great choices though and the results are definitely improving!

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thanks mate, not much skill though on my part, it all depends on the quality of the 3d models.(when i say quality i mean if they are solid enough to print)

i tried to paint some zombie heads years ago and was quite happy with the result but somehow for the life of me i can't get guns right.
anyhow, just had a little mishap after 19! hours of printing. tried to remove the upper protectron torso only to have the bottom stick onto the printer and rip some layers apart.
nothing that can't be salvaged though luckily. imagine the rage Wink.
but the lower torso is twice the size almost, that adds up to 35+hours straight printing. now imagine if i increase the infill % as well.
on the bright side i got 1 week off so i guess there gonna be some looong nights Smile

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https://i.imgur.com/0xdFEks.gif

So Great ! Please make me a 1:1 one. I have a date at the Tax office

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The Gatling laser is pretty cool.


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thanks guys, glad you like 'em.

well technically i could print one in 1:1 but i guess  my grandkids would have to finish the job even if i died of old age Wink.
got a 1/6 protectron in the making and a third of the upper body took 19+ hours to print, being one part of i guess around 15-20 after cutting them so the parts lay flat on the printing bed, i estimate the better part of my 1 week vacation babysitting my printer day and night Smile
talked to the guy thats building them and he showed me a 1:1 new vegas ranger helmet. pretty cool stuff though he has the luxury of monitoring his printer at work and i guess he's got a few of them tasked with the same job.
only having 20*20*20cm to work with means you gonna break everything down into tiny pieces and bring them back together afterwards in a stable fashion.
i know some folks working for a company owning a "metal printer", sadly it's off limits for private stuff.
otherwise i'd be strutting around in my very own power armor Wink


small headsup:

after 50+ hours of printing here´s how the protectron looks so far.


after realizing there´d be no chance to finish the project in 1 week vacation i put another small project in between, fallout 4 combat armor
so far so good, put a blackwash on the paint though it looks like the shoulder armor is a tad to small even if the scale is correct to the original size.
here are the links to the models as well as thankfull credits to the guys that made it even possible

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3094176 (armor)
https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-fallout-4-protectron-action-figure-15585 (protectron)

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another small update on my neverending fallout project Very Happy

just a little "in hand" look on the gatling laser, i think i got the scale about right. any bigger and the figure wouldn´t be able to weild it properly, even this is dragging him down severely even if the infill rate was about 30-35% so it´s 65% hollow.

on the other hand you can see how my combat armor from fallout 4 comes along, sadly i haven´t found any reliable 3d model of the classic armor so far, still looking though.




so far the magnets do the trick, luckily i get an abundance from packaging boxes at work.

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Incredible work!
3D printers really are changing the world, not just in the 1/6 Hobby either.
That "dang blasted little plastic part " that breaks on EVERY product in the world is now replaceable from home!
You are doing great, I hope you look back on these pictures some day and say " I remember when I was just starting out....." as you 3D print your latest custom item!

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thanks mate, today i finally finished my first bigger project. a fallout 4 protectron.




small edit for putting the thing together: the joints and places you put the single parts together are quite loose, what i found to work pretty well is stripes of fake leather or similar fabric you put in between joints, gives for a good portion of friction. tried super glue first yet due to the size of the figure it aint enough to keep the joints tight without locking them in place.


had some quirks and issues with the 3d models and my printer, some holes and incorrect lines but all in all it came out quite well.

for everyone considering getting a 3d printer i´d say do it.
material costs right now for the filament is crazy cheap, the whole figure (standing a bit taller than 12") was about 15€, 17,65$ tops.

add primer and spray paint you´ll end up at about 50€ for the whole thing and you´ll not using up the entire spray cans either so there´s plenty left for other projects.

here´s the deal though, time. you´ll need plenty of it, about 120+ hours went into printing + editing the models where needed.(the guy that uploaded it did a really good job, i had to cut some pieces down nontheless for i have 20 cubic cm printing bed and his design was scaled at 6" rather than 12")
plus it ain´t a good idea to leave a 3d printer to itself for the whole day. so i put the big parts in between sleep shifts while on vacation at home.

still i´m really happy with whats possible with this neat gadget, no more fiddeling with modeling clay ending up with something a 3rd grader could do better in art class with my skills Very Happy

onto the next projects....
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Really neat Potectron. I have a question, is he mobile? Or is it essentially a statue, due to the leather holding the loose parts in place?


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thanks, glad you like it
the leather helps to tighten the joints, apart from that arms and hip are fully moveable and rotate very freely giving you lots of different poses. knees and legs have a lot smaller radius of movement, still you can bend legs and knees to some minor degree.

i guess the leather wears down after some usage but it's very simple to replace the stripes.the parts pop in and out nicely and tight, the knees and feet were a bit "cracky" when you shove them together but the filament is quite flexible it seems. guess it's due to the honeycomb structure inside.

it's lorefriendly though they move very clunky ingame as well, not unlike stilts.

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Very impressive and inspiring progress. Keep at it!


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Mighty damn cool.

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another quick update, the robco terminal and radio turned out fine.
the terminal is put together from various parts leaving room for improvement like a real display in the far future.

on the other hand i´m printing some skeletons right now with only a 40/60% sucess rate. all the small parts/bones stick to the printing bed and stabilizing beams like crazy ony to be pulled apart piece by piece. time for some super glue Very Happy 


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