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1Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:44 pm

I reckon this is the swift kick in the ass I've needed...

Yesterday, I posted an old video of my first RC Jeep...well, the first build using nice components. Eph mentioned she'd like to see a build post. Truth is, I did one, but it was over at the old site (onto which I cannot even get any longer) and the photos were all linked through that bucket-o-photos site.

Time to do something different.

With the aid of a $2 app, I retrieved my photos from the other site (since that site had disabled the ability to bulk download photos from albums) and began moving them to another hosting site.

The goal is to try and reconstruct the build process and thread here. It's going to have to be in stages, as I cannot (will not) sit in front of my screens for hours on end to do it all in one sitting.

Installment I

I've been building stuff since I was 11 years old. The thing is, adulthood has put a serious crimp in my playtime.

Well, it's time...

It all started a while back when I decided to redo an old Soldiers Of The World Willys Jeep that I'd made remote controlled for my kids. Basically what had been done before was a rush, hack job. I took an old hobby grade RC buggy that was about shot and transferred pieces and parts to the Jeep.

It wasn't great work, but it was damn fast (to the point that I had to strap the action figures to their seats to keep them from being slung out in hard turns).   Cool

Here's where the build started:


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Not much to look at, right?

So, I gathered up some of my helpers and I had a chat with them about what I wanted to do.

The reception was...um...less than enthusiastic, to say the least.


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So, I started without them. They'd either get on board, or get left behind.

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Finally, I got some begrudging approval.


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2Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:55 pm

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Great start! Although I thought the jeep looked pretty good to begin with. But then again I know next to nothing of such things.


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3Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:23 pm

LOL...don't you hate it when the minions talk back? Anyway, I can't wait to see where this goes...

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4Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:36 am

A very brave project dadrab, I wouldn't have clue where to start, love the use of the photo story too.


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5Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:30 am

Great Making of ! You do it with maximum difficult level and choose not a RC Car Kit Shocked

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6Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:01 pm

GubernatorFan wrote:Great start! Although I thought the jeep looked pretty good to begin with. But then again I know next to nothing of such things.

Thank you, GF. It wasn't bad, but hardly anything about it was remotely realistic. Plus, when I hacked the first incarnation together, there were no scale solid axles or drive shafts or anything like that even available. When I discovered those, it was elementary that there'd be a rebuild. It was also terrible on rugged terrain...all speed and not much torque.


Mr. Razz wrote:LOL...don't you hate it when the minions talk back? Anyway, I can't wait to see where this goes...

Looking forward to having along, Razz. Thank you.

Yep, those smartass figures can really piss me off, sometimes... Very Happy


peter the painter wrote:A very brave project dadrab, I wouldn't have clue where to start, love the use of the photo story too.
Cheers,
Peter.

Thank you, Peter. As I said, I've been building RC stuff for a long time now. I just start laying stuff out where it makes sense. Sometimes it works; other times one has to make it work.


Ephiane wrote:Great Making of ! You do it with maximum difficult level and choose not a RC Car Kit Shocked

Thank you very much, Ephiane. I haven't really built much for my personal use using a kit in many years. Built a few things for friends with them, though. Nothing against kits, mind you, but I like the challenge and prefer to modify as I go (rather than taking stuff back apart to mod).


Installment II

Here're are a few more shots of what I was working with:

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All that had to be taken apart. So, this is what was left:

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Needed some axles. Axial (name of a predominant RC manufacturer) provided the solution for those as well as a transmission.

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These sub-assemblies I did build from a parted out kit.


And, of course, I'd need a chassis. This was hand cut from a piece of aluminum bar stock. Not bad for a first attempt. As you all can see, I opted for leaf springs instead of shocks and coils. They are made from ordinary rake tynes, heated and shaped; then, reheated and retempered to provide some "spring."  The shackles are made from chain links; brackets are hand made.

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7Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:58 pm

Man, this is some SERIOUS work. Just watched the video in the other thread, so I know it comes out awesome. RC cars, and the kind of work that goes in to them, are such a whole different world to me. I can handle cosmetic mods, but this type of technical, functional work feels like straight sorcery. And damn, it looks like you've got some great space to run this thing. Love seeing your crew of helpers too. Hell of a fun build thread.


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8Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:56 am

ReverendSpooky wrote:Man, this is some SERIOUS work.  Just watched the video in the other thread, so I know it comes out awesome.  RC cars, and the kind of work that goes in to them, are such a whole different world to me.  I can handle cosmetic mods, but this type of technical, functional work feels like straight sorcery.  And damn, it looks like you've got some great space to run this thing.  Love seeing your crew of helpers too.  Hell of a fun build thread.  

Much appreciated, Rev. It was a lot of work, but worth it in the end. It's pretty fun...when I have time to go do anything with it.  Rolling Eyes

I understand your apprehension, too. For the longest time, I was fascinated, but a little scared at the same time. Most all RC stuff when I began in the hobby was airborne. I don't think I could have stood to crash something that so much work had gone into. Then, I discovered RC boats. The boat hobby is huge in Europe (maybe other places, too), but not so popular in the US. That's where it all began. My logic was thus: If I screw up a boat, the worst that can happen is that it will sink. I swim really well and can dive, so not much of a problem.

There was the time, though, I took a new creation out for a cruise on a lake and lost power to the props. I could hear the motor running, but no movement. Had to swim about 200 yards out into the lake, retrieve the boat and swim back...IN MARCH. Make no mistake...that damn water as was cold as a witch's thorax.

By the way, the trail that video was shot on is that of a local disc golf course not far from our house. My kids and I play there all the time. The footpath is about right for a sixth scale dirt road.  Cool

But, I digress...


Installment III

Since I was using leaf springs, I had to design and make a set of U-bolts and plates to attach axles to suspension. It wasn't much trouble, to tell the truth. I just used all-threaded rod, heated it up a bit and bent it around a template about the same size as the axle diameter. The plates are just pieces of aluminum bar cut and drilled to fit. Pretty much the same as a 1:1 Jeep or pickup.

A lot of Dremeling going on there...
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Of course, I had plenty of help from the guys.

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And, they tried to do a lot of the work themselves. Still, I believe they were glad to see me from time to time.

Below, my boy Maxx Steele bit off a little more than he could chew trying to install the RC4WD Killer transfer case by himself.


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Another one of the guys talked me into the notion that my rake tyne springs were too stiff. He gave me the idea of making another set out of Walmart stainless steel rulers. They were pretty easy to cut, but a bear to heat, bend and retemper. Once they were in, though they worked really well. The trouble was, the further along the build went, the heavier the Jeep got. Turns out I went back to the rake-tyne springs after all, but don't tell the guys. Some of them are kind of thin-skinned, as we've seen.

*NOTE* Below, you can see the drive shafts attached to both axles and the transfer case.

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9Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:39 am

Looks way too technical for me Ed, but very entertaining to see.



Cheers,

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10Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:58 pm

You are the 1:6 Mac Gyver Very Happy

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11Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:53 pm


Very impressive build!


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12Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:40 pm

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Man, that is complex. More work than I’d be willing to do.


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13Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:41 pm

peter the painter wrote:Looks way too technical for me Ed, but very entertaining to see.
Cheers,
Peter.

Thank you, Peter, but I disagree. You could figure it out pretty quickly. Shoot, you can sculpt an easily recognizable face on a lump of clay. Comparatively, this is child's play.


Ephiane wrote:You are the 1:6 Mac Gyver Very Happy

Many thanks, Eph. I try to make do with what's laying around, but specialty items are required. As I've written, been doing this for a long time, now.


BAD WOLF-787 wrote:
Very impressive build!

Thanks very much, Brother Wolf.


Stryker2011 wrote:Man, that is complex. More work than I’d be willing to do.

I appreciate it, Stryker. We all play to our strengths, I reckon.


Mr. Razz wrote:I definitely like how this build is going! You have A LOT more patience than I do...

Thank you a bunch, Mr. Razz. Glad you like it. I guess we have patience when we need to.



Installment IV


Now, the next thing to do was test fit the axles and the body. My buddy also put a temporary body mount in once everything was centered up.

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We constructed a set of transfer case brackets out of some light gauge steel. They didn't seem stout enough, so I bent up another set out of some heavier aluminum stock.

Just a word about all this fabrication: It is true that most of this stuff can be purchased. There are some beautiful chassis and such available, but I chose to do all of that myself. It's not that I'm a glutton for punishment so much as one can spend a TON of money on the prebuilt stuff. Mine's not nearly as fine looking, but it is functional and should hold up well. Besides, the joy in this stuff is - for me, anyway - is coming up with a way to hurdle the obstacles.

So, I put the boys to work taking everything apart so the new chassis could get a coat of etching primer and black paint.


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A Novak 45 turn motor provides the power for the rig. Here is a shot of that motor mounted to the Axial transmission. I chose a 45-turn to try and balance wheel speed and torque. More on that later, though.


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A platform had to be constructed to hold the motor, tranny, speed controller and other various components.

Here's a shot of the platform with the motor/tranny combo mounted. It also shows the main drive shaft I had to construct to get power to the transfer case.

And, thanks to my kids, I'll never lack for a way to hold a chassis up while it's worked on.


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Easy, there buddy. I swear, sometimes it's tough keeping the fellas in line... Can't say I really blame them, though.

Back to business. If you take a look at this underside shot of body, you'll notice a couple of things. First, there's a sizable tunnel molded in from the factory. I built the chassis so that the main shaft and the transfer case would fit up into that tunnel. The motor and tranny will remain under the hood, so there was no need to hack the body further for fitment there. Secondly, there's a pretty substancial recess where the fuel tank should be on the 1:1 (the driver's seat sits on top of it). I took advantage of that recess for tucking away the receiver and some excess wiring.


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You might also notice there's a pretty sizable hole in the back of the Jeep where the rear bench seat used to be. That hack was put there to make room for the motor and rear axle in the original incarnation of the RC project. It had to be repaired. You can also see where some repairs were made under the front fenders.

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Body pre-repairs:

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And, post-repairs:

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All the figures were pretty stoked to finish the project. Some got a little ahead of themselves.

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14Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:06 am

Oh, yeah! You're one of those REAL R/C guys that knows what he's doing! I also detect a 1:1 off roader as well, I believe. Great build! Love the super realistic axles,transfer case and suspension!
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Pontiacivan wrote:Oh, yeah! You're one of those REAL R/C guys that knows what he's doing! I also detect a 1:1 off roader as well, I believe. Great build! Love the super realistic axles,transfer case and suspension!
A+++++

Thank you, kind sir. You are correct on the 1:1 off-roading. I've done my share and still enjoy it, but don't have time much... It's great fun and sometimes a little scary.

In any case, it's given me a sense of what makes a real off-road vehicle work. I was able to proceed from there in 1:6, depending upon component availability.


Sorry it's been a while. I've been suffering from a severe case of damn-it's-been-busy.


Installment V


Everybody knows a good trail rig needs some protection.

Everybody should also be aware that I'm no wizard with a torch. I can weld, but I've got no rig, so putting together a bit of roll-over protection was going to present a challenge.

I had to learn to braze. I'd never done it before nor had I ever seen it done; however, I can read, so I got on-line and read several articles on the art of brazing.

I'm still not very good at it and the raw joints presented below are a shameful display. But, they cleaned up pretty well and I think they'll turn out OK.

I started by putting the basics together.


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If you're going to attempt this, I heartily recommend getting a torch with an "auto striker" in the nozzle. Simply pull the trigger and you've got fire. This is a pretty good one.

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After a bit of practice, I cobbled together this ugly contraption out of brake tubing and some smaller brass tubing I had lying around.

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Then, I tried it with the body.

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Well...there is some sort of shape being taken there, I reckon. Pretty good fit, too.

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Sometimes, the boys and girls get a little ahead of themselves. At one point, they got to trying to move the chassis around a bit. Then they couldn't get it back up on the Lego jack stands.

I asked an old friend to go give them a hand.


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16Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:03 pm

Installment VI


Sometimes I'd be out in the shop working and just say, "pick up that (whatever) and hand it to me, please." While I was really just talking to myself, the guys would sometimes get a little indignant.

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Naturally, a good woman always comes to the rescue. Living proof that size does matter...

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After getting them all calmed down, I settled in to braze up a set of sliders for the rig (that's the part that protects the rocker panels, or the area under the doors). Every good trail rig needs them.

Little did I suspect what was going on behind my back...


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17Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:02 pm

Shocked Wow this get better and better ! Self made flat springs and the gearing mechanism is amazing and Very intresting welding Parts.

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18Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:17 pm

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Coming together nicely. I like how your figures are always interacting with the build.


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19Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:48 pm

Very Cool looking project!


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Ephiane wrote:Shocked Wow this get better and better ! Self made flat springs and the gearing mechanism is amazing and  Very intresting welding Parts.

Thank you again, Eph. I did what made sense for the build at the time. Brazing (basically mechanical welding) was a new endeavor for me. Takes a bit of practice, but as I went, I got better at it...thankfully.



Stryker2011 wrote:Coming together nicely. I like how your figures are always interacting with the build.

Much appreciated, Stryker. I figured I needed to do something to get, and try to keep, folks interested. The interaction was about the only thing that came to mind...plus, it was fun.



Mr. Razz wrote:This is coming along nicely...now, as for those two credit stealers, beat them at their own game...let them brag about making the sliders and then have the others ask them to show how they did it... Twisted Evil

Thanks much, Razz. Good idea, too. Between the two of them, they can't even pick up the damn torch.


BAD WOLF-787 wrote:Very Cool looking project!

Thank you very much, Brother Wolf. Fiddly in places, but very enjoyable.



Installment VII



Another old friend dropped by one evening.

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21Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:17 am

Damn Dadrab, this really is the way to do a build thread. Your crew of mechaincal helpers only adds to an already fascinating build. And it's cool that you stepped out of your comfort zone on the roll bars. One of the best parts of a project is when you get experimenting with something you don't usually do, and it works. And this really works. Looking great!


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22Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:15 pm

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Lon Chaney's Wolfman was always my favorite monster as a kid. Had pictures of him all over my walls. I really wish they'd revisit those classic monsters in 1/6. Those were the best. Can't stand all this serial killer nonsense and gratuitous violence you see in "horror" movies today.


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23Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:36 am

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That's quite a team you've got there, helping out with the build.


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24Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:18 am

dadrab wrote:
It wasn't great work, but it was damn fast (to the point that I had to strap the action figures to their seats to keep them from being slung out in hard turns).   Cool

Fantastic build...attach a go-pro onto the buggy and take it out for a spin !
That would be fun !


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25Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:44 am

Indeed very cool team!


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26Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:09 am

dadrab, not only does that conversion look extremely complicated but, you've managed to make your posts very entertaining too, great work.


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27Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:02 pm

ReverendSpooky wrote:Damn Dadrab, this really is the way to do a build thread.  Your crew of mechaincal helpers only adds to an already fascinating build.  And it's cool that you stepped out of your comfort zone on the roll bars.  One of the best parts of a project is when you get experimenting with something you don't usually do, and it works.  And this really works.  Looking great!

Many thanks, Rev. You're exactly right about the "comfort zone" thing. I had no idea what I was doing (besides wasting MAPP gas) when I started. Fortunately, things improved with practice.



Stryker2011 wrote:Lon Chaney's Wolfman was always my favorite monster as a kid. Had pictures of him all over my walls. I really wish they'd revisit those classic monsters in 1/6. Those were the best. Can't stand all this serial killer nonsense and gratuitous violence you see in "horror" movies today.

Mine too. My dad (remember, sci-fi/horror movie geek) told me about the process Chaney developed (invented, really) for applying a little make-up and filming; apply, film...repeat. Basically stop action, but with a person. If you'll notice, in the old movies when they'd show his face change, he'd always have his head against something that wouldn't move (tree, etc.) The sessions were long and tedious and, after a break, he'd have to get his head back into the exact same place for the next take.



Mr. Razz wrote:I'm still sitting here waiting for the end of this movie, dadrab...lol...

Fear not. There's more below. Thanks for following along and I apologize for the wait.



GubernatorFan wrote:That's quite a team you've got there, helping out with the build.

Thanks very much GF. I kind of pulled out a lot of stops with this one.



Allotropos wrote: Fantastic build...attach a go-pro onto the buggy and take it out for a spin !
That would be fun !

I appreciate that, Allotropos. You're right, that would be fun. I'd probably have torn up a perfectly good Go-Pro, though.  Smile



BAD WOLF-787 wrote:Indeed very cool team!

Thanks again, Mr. Wolf. I was trying to keep folks interested, so I'd toss something (someone) a little unusual in from time to time.



peter the painter wrote:dadrab, not only does that conversion look extremely complicated but, you've managed to make your posts very entertaining too, great work.

You're very kind, Peter. Thank you, sir. What I don't have in figures or graphics know-how, I tried to make up with humor and conversation.


Installment VIII


Time for a little update.

As always, I had help whether I wanted it or not...


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Since this was a pretty big project, I decided to bring in a supervisor, of sorts. Seems I was having a helluva time keeping the figures on task. It was like herding cats...

So, I brought in "the man."


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Nice to see the team growing, too. Smile


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29Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:36 pm

That's certainly an ambitious project.  Your skills make it seem simple, although I know that it is not.

A most entertaining presentation, as well.

Excellent work, sir.

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GubernatorFan wrote:Nice to see the team growing, too. Smile

Thank you, GF. I'm grateful to you.

I figured "what the hell... I have other figures, might as well give them appearances."



PureEnergy wrote:That's certainly an ambitious project.  Your skills make it seem simple, although I know that it is not.

A most entertaining presentation, as well.

Excellent work, sir.

Man, I appreciate that, PureEnergy. This kind of stuff challenges me and I get something out of it in the end...another toy.



Mr. Razz wrote:
Great job on the spare tire holder, dadrab! Hopefully the "Old Guy" can keep this bunch of misfits in line! It seems, tho, that the females that are helping are more responsible than the "boys"...

No apology necessary, either...I haven't seen this before and I like how it's turning out. Post updates whenever you have time to. Trust me, I understand being too busy in real life...lol

Many thanks, Razz. The women keeping the men on task is another little reality laid open for all to inspect. pirat Nah...I don't want to go all "deep" here. It was just fun. Cool



Installment IX

As earlier alluded to, this is a rebuild on an old thread. The sons referred to below have grown up nicely in the ensuing years ... for which I'm truly thankful.

The part about going to an official school visit was true, however, and it did make a nice segue into the question, "why do all the photos look like they were shot in hotel room?" They were. Had many hours to kill on those visits.



Good afternoon, all.

Been rather busy with son #2's baseball season (part of it...), but I made time for an update. Sorry it's been so long coming.

Recently I had occasion to take son #1 to an official college visit. He's a swimmer and the coaches will bring prospective students in for a weekend here and there. On this occasion, we went to East Carolina University in North Carolina. Since I knew I'd be stuck in a hotel room for a couple of days with very little to do (the coaches don't really want the parents around after about the first two hours), I took the project with me to work on. Of course, I had to deal with stowaways...



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It took them a while to acclimate (an acceptable amount of bitching and moaning), but we soon got to work.

I had an el cheapo radio system sitting on the work bench, so I took it along. Instead of sitting still the whole time, I found occasion to search out a hobby shop for a few things and a Radio Shack for a battery.



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On the platform there, the motor and transmission are already screwed into place. The main shaft going to the transfer case is also visable. All that will be under the hood once the body is mounted.


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And, test it I did. Truthfully, it was geared really slowly...too slowly in fact. That was about the time I decided to upgrade to LiPo batties so I could run one with 11.0V and conserve space. Still, the tests went well. There was torque to all be damned. The bare chassis would crawl up a curb with no trouble at all. I did considerable driving through the hotel flower garden as that was the most challenging terrain available.

I was actually beginning to have a pretty good time until the powered chassis went dead. The motor would still spin, but there was no movement.

So, I picked up the chassis and went back to the room. I got there just in time to witness this:


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Now, that's entertainment. Still, rules are rules and the guys and gals know they're not supposed to smoke. Back to the suitcase he had to go.


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I'd needed an extra long section of drive shaft to bridge the distance between the transmission and transfer case. So, I put two Axial axles together with some brass tubing inside the plastic shaft and epoxied it all together. I reckon I discounted the amount of torque being sent to the transfer case. That was a mistake. It spun in two within 10 minutes with far less weight than the finished vehicle should have.

I've since replaced that shaft with a custom-made one in steel. It won't break again.

Stay tuned.

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31Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:04 pm

Come on now dadrab, time to come clean, how much of this work is down to you, and how much is down to your army of little helpers? Wink Great work, you are a talented bunch.



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32Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:22 pm

Very epic build dadrab great job!


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peter the painter wrote:Come on now dadrab, time to come clean, how much of this work is down to you, and how much is down to your army of little helpers? Wink Great work, you are a talented bunch.

Thank you very kindly, Peter. You pegged it...most of the work was on me. When it comes to getting stuff done, the figures are a pretty lousy bunch.  Smile



Mr. Razz wrote:Excellent installment! Question:Did you get the guy's side of the story before putting him back into the suitcase? Maybe he didn't really want a smoke BUT wanted her to "flick his bic"... Twisted Evil

The test run brought out an issue and your "crack team of engineers" got on it and resolved the issue!  cheers

So far, this is a very interesting thread...very much looking forward to the outcome!... Very Happy

Thank you, Razz. There may be more to that "flick his bic" comment than you know.  Suspect

As you probably know, most drive shafts are splined inside of a tube into which another splined solid shaft is slid. That way, when the vehicle goes over bumps and such, the shaft can lengthen or contract a little to avoid component damage. Scale shafts work the same way, but this particular shaft, since it links the motor transmission to the transfer case (which enables 4-wheel drive), is a fixed length. I figured the one I built would be fine, but it was not. A lot of torque there.


BAD WOLF-787 wrote:Very epic build dadrab great job!

Much appreciated, Mr. Wolf. Hope you enjoy.



Installment X


In our last episode, the battery and radio gear had been installed and we'd taken a test drive only to spin a makeshift drive shaft.

Well, we got home from the university visit and the figures set about the task of preparing the body for paint.

First up, all the accessories and pieces of body armor that had been built had to be coated. Everything got hit with some 320 grit sandpaper to make sure it was all nice and smooth. Next, we washed it all. Then, we got to spraying.

Here's Old Guy for some commentary:


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Next, we sanded the body with progressively finer grit papers beginning with 200 and ending with 400. The outside of the body got taped up and masked so the interior could get a shot of black. I use regular old rattle can paint from the auto parts store. The black on the inside is designed for bumpers, so it's got a bit of texture to it.

Here's one of the guys working on the tape job...


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Of course, the spray painting didn't take very long. I believe he was a bit upset at the next step...

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Once completely dried, the inside had to be taped up so color could go on the body. I have no paint booth, so I choose a nice calm day and set my work up in full sun. Spray paint likes sun and open spaces. The paint will "flash" off nicely outside and the warm sun helps get drying started. As long as there's no breeze, there's little chance of trash blowing onto the paint. Be careful not to leave it out too long, though. Bugs seem to be attracted to drying paint and they're a pain to sand out.


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After the color, three coats of clear were applied. That will offer a little protection to the top coat.

When everything was dry, we all settled in to admire our handiwork.


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Until next time, all...thank you for watching.

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Very well done. I was distracted and for a moment thought Sons #1 and #2 had accidentally trod all over it and it was a car wreck. But after the tape came off, I was able to see it in its true and pristine glory. Smile


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Looking awesome. Lot of fine work, and funny story.


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36Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:45 pm

GubernatorFan wrote:Very well done. I was distracted and for a moment thought Sons #1 and #2 had accidentally trod all over it and it was a car wreck. But after the tape came off, I was able to see it in its true and pristine glory. Smile

Thanks again, GF. I reckon I wandered off in the weeds a little with the comment about my boys. Suffice it to say that they've turned out OK, thus far and I'm proud of them.

The color on this body turned out very well and the paint has held up except for the obvious spots where paint is going to get rubbed despite being careful when running. I've never been one to beat hell out of one of my builds. I'll leave that for someone who enjoys redoing their work over and over. I don't.



Stryker2011 wrote:Looking awesome. Lot of fine work, and funny story.

I really appreciate, Stryker. Oddly enough, looking back on it, I put damn near as much work into the photos and story as I did in the build.


Before moving on...I figured I'd make this installment a "two-fer." Both are short, so what the hell? Besides, I wanted to get the animation of the driver in this posting. Hope to get it wrapped here up by Christmas.



Installments XI and XII


Try though I did, I couldn't get that sorry bunch to help me with the following, so I had to go it alone.

The steering wheel was pretty "plain" looking. I contemplated making a new one, but scrapped that idea when I tried the following and really liked the way it looked.

I took some OD colored heavy nylon twine and simply wrapped it around the "business" part of the wheel. It was finished off with a light coat of superglue.

Here's the result:


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And, of course, we can't have a restoration of an old rig like this without some leather (very thin, from an old purse my bride donated to the cause) on the seats, right? So, here we go, leather seats:

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(I know, I know...smart ass...



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I've always wanted an RC vehicle that had an RC animated driver as well. I figured this was as good a time as any.



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Despite our boy's protests, I removed his head (not a simple "pop-off-and-on" type. I cut a plate from his back using my trusty Dremel.

From there, I could access the slotted tabs that held the head on. With his head off, I ground out the tabs, thereby making space for a microservo. In the above photo, you can see how I altered his neck post to fit a circular servo horn.

Below, you can see how the servo fits in the chest cavity. It's not pretty, but I used hot-melt glue because of it's quick drying properties and the fact that I had to get the servo in the correct place in one shot. The glue gave me a little wiggle room, but didn't take two hours to set up.

The hole in the middle of the horn is what attaches it to the servo and it's splined to mate with the splines on the servo shaft. I was hoping for a friction fit and it worked. Still, his head comes off pretty easily, so I might be forced to make further alterations (i.e. put a screw in to hold the horn to the shaft. Very easy operation).

My apologies for the sloppy looking work, but it's going to be covered up by clothing anyway, so what the hell...


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And, then he found the servo cord... It wasn't pretty.

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Our boy was raising so much hell, I just put him in a drawer for a while to cool down some. When I went back to get him, he'd calmed a bit and was far more rational.

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Here you can see the top of the servo in relation to where his head will be.



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And, this is how the surgery turned out:





I explained to him that he'd be drivng the Jeep all the time, hence the modifications.


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Laughing Laughing I, somehow, don't believe him...

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38Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:07 pm

All certainly well worth the effort...

Amazing! Fantastic work, brother.

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39Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:47 pm

Still just loving this build (and the accompanying commentary from your assistants). The steering wheel looks great (love those type of little details) the chairs are perfect looking, and I dig the animated driver. Does his head turn automatically in the direction he's turning, or does it operate interdependently, with it's own control on the remote?


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That. Is. Fantastic! Having his head turn like that is brilliant. Really looking forward to seeing this whole thing in actin (probably have to film in slow motion).


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41Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:22 am

Heh. Reminds me about the urban myth of the dude who woke up in a bath tub with his kidneys removed.

Animatronics works best when it is subtle. This is a good example.


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42Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:53 pm

The jeep's look good and animated driver is very Cool!


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impressive engineering overall!


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44Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:45 am

GubernatorFan wrote:Nice work on all the details, and very impressive animated driver.

Thank you, GF. I've always wanted to try it and I'm glad I did.



PureEnergy wrote:All certainly well worth the effort...  

Amazing!  Fantastic work, brother.  

I appreciate that, PE. Took a good several hours to put the plan together, but it worked out OK.



ReverendSpooky wrote:Still just loving this build (and the accompanying commentary from your assistants).  The steering wheel looks great (love those type of little details) the chairs are perfect looking, and I dig the animated driver.  Does his head turn automatically in the direction he's turning, or does it operate interdependently, with it's own control on the remote?

You're very kind, Rev. Thank you.

Not sure where the idea for the steering wheel came from...just popped into my clouded brain and I started wrapping.

The driver's head operates on its own channel. I started to do it the way you suggested, but had extra channels to play with, so...there you have it. The steering wheel also turns, but it IS wired to go along with the wheels.



Stryker2011 wrote:That. Is. Fantastic! Having his head turn like that is brilliant. Really looking forward to seeing this whole thing in actin (probably have to film in slow motion).

Thank you very much, Stryker.

You're absolutely right about the slow motion. You'll see what I mean.



shazzdan wrote:Heh. Reminds me about the urban myth of the dude who woke up in a bath tub with his kidneys removed.

Animatronics works best when it is subtle. This is a good example.

Many thanks, shazzdan.

I agree with your assessment. Too much of this sort of animation looks jerky and fake. I tried to stay away from that.



BAD WOLF-787 wrote:The jeep's look good and animated driver is very Cool!

Thank you, Mr. Wolf. I've seen it done a couple of times since, but never before. Now, I'm not saying I did it first, but just had never seen it done.



kyekye wrote:impressive engineering overall!

Much appreciated, kyekye. Seat-of-the-pants engineering, but it worked out all right.




Installment XIII


You guys know about the best laid plans...

I'd hoped to get this one done by Christmas, but with the holiday activity and family visiting, I just didn't get off my sorry ass and do it. 'Nuff said.


I reckon it's about time I wrapped up this build. I've been working on it on-and-off for several month's now, but about three weeks ago, got down to cases.


I didn't like the original cage I'd build for it, so I pulled it apart and remade it. I'm still not much with a torch, but the newer incarnation looks a little better. It probably won't hold up in a "horrendous crash" as they used to say on The Dukes Of Hazard, but it'll do for what I need.

There are a bunch of little bits that have been added. See for yourselves. Roll the pix:


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The toys wanted some non-skid texture on the hood, fenders and door steps, so I accommodated them. It's actually some high-quality skateboard deck texture cut to fit. It comes in sheets, so really easy to work with.

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And, how about a real mirror for that rear view. I found some at Hobby Lobby that were just right.

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Found the lantern at HL, too.

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Here's an interesting tidbit. I really wanted some retro looking tail light lens, but something a little different. So, I heisted a couple of peppers from a string of old red-pepper lights we got from somewhere and cut the tips off them. If I cut them at the correct spot, they fit just right inside the light bezel on the factory body molding. I'd already drilled a hole inside the light bezel areas and installed some LED bulbs. The pepper tips fit over the LEDs and inside the bezels so sweet... Turned out rather art deco looking.

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In the reflector bezels, I put some reflector material. If one uses a regular old paper hole-punch to pop some holes in a strip of reflective tape, the part that pops out fits inside the bezel perfectly. Too easy...

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And, here's a top view:

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I believe I'll turn it over to Old Guy to be the tour guide for a while.

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Well, that about does it. I'm going to try and toss a video out there since I recently took the Jeep and a camera on a bit of a trail ride.

I'm very pleased with all the torque. No problem pulling a pretty steep grade.

Oh yeah, meant to write about it earlier... I had to replace the steering servo. That piece of junk I used for a place holder during the build just wouldn't cut it. It was replaced with a Savox sporting about 300 oz. of torque. Now the steering's nice and true.

The Jeep is fairly devoid of meaningful articulation, though. It's rather like a real Willys, but I'd still like a little something more. Perhaps those leaf springs will soften up some with use.

Thanks for looking all. Feel free to comment, complain, criticize, grouse, demean or whatever...

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45Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:07 pm

As I strive to be a man of my word, I'll toss out three decent videos I've shot and edited since completion of the build. And, if you're in a position to do so, turn the volume up on your computer. Good tunes to accompany the vids.








Thanks to all for following along.

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46Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:28 pm

Great series of posts dadrab, very entertaining, I've enjoyed each part of the ride.

Cheers,


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47Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:02 pm

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Excellent wrap-up and videos. Lucky for us, you don't have plastic for brain, just plastic on the brain. And you do great work with. Smile


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48Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:52 pm

Damn man, that really came together beautifully. The spare tire rack is slick as hell, and I love the pepper tail lights. They look perfect. And so cool that the driver's head is it's own control. That is such a fun feature. And the butcher block tool box is such a great detail. Seriously impressive man!


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49Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:16 pm

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Excellent work, Dadrab. I’m with the Rev, nice tire rack, and the pepper lights was inspired. Love the part in the first video with the slow-motion where you can see the “driver” turn his head, and then the close-up home shots where you can see the steering wheel move. Awesome engineering.


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50Building an RC sixth scale Jeep Empty Re: Building an RC sixth scale Jeep on Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:25 pm

Your jeep turned out amazing, great job!


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