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Hot Toys Star Wars Emperor Palpatine (Deluxe) Review

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GubernatorFan


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Thank you, Paul, for your detailed and thoughtful response. Glad you liked the review.

I agree with you that at this price point, real cushions on the seat might have been a reasonable extra step -- although I am not sure whether it would have made enough of a difference for most collectors.

These UK prices seem to go from very bad to utterly atrocious. And I thought the pound was worth more than the dollar! I certainly can't fault you for finding this (and other recent HT and Sideshow offers) prohibitively expensive. I do too, although occasionally I still go for one, as in this case -- and the cost was less. My comments on the cost in the review were relative to that of other offers from Star Wars licensed sixth-scale figures, and you seem to agree as far as this company is concerned. I appreciate the added perspective which you have brought up with your discussion of the costs. I do not know if the SW license from Disney skyrockets in price for high-end collectibles, or whether it is just the companies being calculating and avaricious; there is, of course, the rising cost in labor at play, but I doubt it is nearly that steep. I also wonder when the cost benefit will catch up with this price inflation and will (hopefully) cause it to drop.

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GubernatorFan wrote:Thank you, Paul, for your detailed and thoughtful response. Glad you liked the review.

I agree with you that at this price point, real cushions on the seat might have been a reasonable extra step -- although I am not sure whether it would have made enough of a difference for most collectors.

These UK prices seem to go from very bad to utterly atrocious. And I thought the pound was worth more than the dollar! I certainly can't fault you for finding this (and other recent HT and Sideshow offers) prohibitively expensive. I do too, although occasionally I still go for one, as in this case -- and the cost was less. My comments on the cost in the review were relative to that of other offers from Star Wars licensed sixth-scale figures, and you seem to agree as far as this company is concerned. I appreciate the added perspective which you have brought up with your discussion of the costs. I do not know if the SW license from Disney skyrockets in price for high-end collectibles, or whether it is just the companies being calculating and avaricious; there is, of course, the rising cost in labor at play, but I doubt it is nearly that steep. I also wonder when the cost benefit will catch up with this price inflation and will (hopefully) cause it to drop.

I feel that as this is sold as a high end collectable things like a padded seat on a throne rather than a moulded in section should have been a given. A moulded in seat cushion doesn't seem very high end to me, but it is cheaper to produce I guess, which for me once again shows where the companies real concerns lay.

And well yes, that's living in the UK for you.  The pound is worth more than the dollar (at the moment around $1.30 to £1) but it seems that for most items we pay the same in pounds as you do in Dollars, so roughly around 25% more I would say.  So the retail cost of this figure here in the UK would equate to about $415 + P&P.

I could easily pay the asking price for the HT/Sideshow stuff, but I won't as they are clearly higher priced than other high end licensed Star Wars items, and way way more expensive than other high end toys or collectables in general.

I believe the Disney licensing is pretty much standard across the board and includes an up front fee and a % of takings usually.  I have chatted to a couple of costume makers here in the UK who have considered/investigated licensing their products through Disney due to the volume they now make, and my understanding is the licenses are negotiated individually but never stray far from the basic formula and fees Disney demand, so there would be no additional cost on the licensing specifically for high end items as to all intents and purposes the licensing fees are all roughly the same whatever you are selling.  Labour costs are pretty much the same for anyone making these things I suspect.
So to my mind the price difference is definitely down to the companies being calculating and avaricious as you put it.

I very much doubt that we will see any reduction in price on these items now.  If for whatever reason the production costs come down the companies will just take more profit.  In fact I suspect that the prices will continue to rise, blamed on things like labour costs, material prices, licensing etc...  But actually it's all about the companies maintaining or improving high profit margins.

It would be really interesting at some point to see an independent report on what it costs HT/SideShow to develop, make and ship a figure as a per unit cost.  I suspect we would all be shocked to see what that cost actually is.

Paul

Rogerbee


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In the store I bought my Gremlins from, the average price for an MMS is £350 and it could be £400 upwards for a DX or something with the accessories this has.

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Sorry you've lost me there Rogerbee. What are MMS and DX?

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MMS and DX are the codes Hot Toys uses as a prefex before the product number. MMS are the standard boxed figures, and DX (like the DX Jack Sparrow) are the ones that come with extras -- like two heads. Really, it's just another cash grab by Howard Chan. Ever notice all those fancy displays they have at the conventions (like the full 1/6 scale model of the Millenium Falcon)? While all that stuff is cool and it gets the viewers attention, imagine how much less we could possibly pay for these things if they stopped wasting time and money on something just to show off at a booth (never to be sold), that ultimately ends up in Howard's personal warehouse of treasures we'll likely never see again (like the '66 Batmobile), when a nice banner would work just as well in my opinion.


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scifi - Hot Toys Star Wars Emperor Palpatine (Deluxe) Review - Page 4 C8485110

GubernatorFan

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Yes, more specifically MMS = Movie Masterpiece Series, which is the standard series for characters from films. DX = Deluxe, for the same thing (also MMS) but with the added items. They give them different numbers. For example, the HT emperor without the throne and other extras is MMS467; this one, the deluxe (DX), is MMS468. The price difference between regular and deluxe sets has varied from time to time and place to place; this is on the higher side. Some products have only been released as deluxe sets (like the HT Indiana Jones, for example), and many as a single, basic (or not so basic) set.


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What they said, LOL!

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For anyone who has this with the throne, Matrix69 (Freaks member), did a great mod to the throne so that his feet can touch the ground.

His words: "For those interested in lowering the chair...if you drill up through the circular slot at the base of the seat...it can be lowered by a 1/4 inch.

Using a flat headed screwdriver i first prized opened the bottom part of the chair where the battery compartment is. I did this as i didn't want to run the risk of damaging the wires inside...as you can see there's lots of them!

I guess an easier way would be to just cut back the base pole plug thingy...

Anyways i'm pretty happy with the results and now old Palps can sit with his wee feet touching the floor and no need for leg extenders"

(He used a 35mm Forster Bit, here's an example of what a Forster Bit looks like):

scifi - Hot Toys Star Wars Emperor Palpatine (Deluxe) Review - Page 4 35mm_f10

And here's his WIP pics and final result:

scifi - Hot Toys Star Wars Emperor Palpatine (Deluxe) Review - Page 4 Dsc_1310
scifi - Hot Toys Star Wars Emperor Palpatine (Deluxe) Review - Page 4 Dsc_1710
scifi - Hot Toys Star Wars Emperor Palpatine (Deluxe) Review - Page 4 Dsc_1711
scifi - Hot Toys Star Wars Emperor Palpatine (Deluxe) Review - Page 4 Dsc_1712


Anyone brave enough to try this modification...? (I might give it a go myself)


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GubernatorFan

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Interesting fix -- seems to work very well. If I tried this, it would be what he suggests as an easier way to accomplish this, by cutting down the "base pole plug thingy." I would recommend you do the same if you give this a go -- probably both easier and safer.

By the way, is it just me, or did he also give the poor old rogue a black eye? Smile


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Stryker2011

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I know quite a few people painted the eyes a bit, and added more red around the eyes and mouth to get it closer to screen accurate. Some of the adjustments I've seen have been crazy good -- I don't think I'd have the guts to try that, myself.


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GubernatorFan

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It makes sense, but like you I'm a little too timid to give it a try... for now. If I had picked up an extra head (there's an idea...), maybe.


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He does look slightly better, but, to me, he still slouches far too much. In stills I've seen from the movie, his feet do touch the ground, but, he also sits more upright than the figure can. Modding the seat so he can sit further back would fix it, but, I don't think it can be done.

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GubernatorFan

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Rogerbee wrote:He does look slightly better, but, to me, he still slouches far too much. In stills I've seen from the movie, his feet do touch the ground, but, he also sits more upright than the figure can. Modding the seat so he can sit further back would fix it, but, I don't think it can be done.

Can't agree with you there -- he leans back into the throne. We've been over this; go back and look at the photos from the film already uploaded in earlier posts in the thread.


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I did, and, his head is much nearer the top of the throne in movie stills. It was people replicating that which led to the dangling feet issue. There's a combination of the figure and the throne at work here and I think putting the figure on a body with longer legs and fixing the throne would be the most complete fix. Here's the still from your own post:

scifi - Hot Toys Star Wars Emperor Palpatine (Deluxe) Review - Page 4 Fsm1spb

You can see where his head needs to be there.

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GubernatorFan

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Rogerbee wrote:I did, and, his head is much nearer the top of the throne in movie stills. It was people replicating that which led to the dangling feet issue. There's a combination of the figure and the throne at work here and  I think putting the figure on a body with longer legs and fixing the throne would be the most complete fix. You can see where his head needs to be there.

Ok, yes, in this photo the head looks closer to the "ceiling" of the throne. But:
(1) I was talking about the angle of the body leaning back into the chair, and
(2) If you look at the top of the throne, you'd see the upper side of its "ceiling," indicating that the perspective shows it from slightly above, not straight from the side. This would reduce the perceived distance between the top of his head and the underside of the "ceiling" in appearance.

That said, longer legs in addition to the slightly shortened throne would not be a bad idea.


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Yeah, that would definitely work.

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Here's an example of the little bit of repaint on the HS, done by Mandible:

scifi - Hot Toys Star Wars Emperor Palpatine (Deluxe) Review - Page 4 Sith-h10
scifi - Hot Toys Star Wars Emperor Palpatine (Deluxe) Review - Page 4 Sith10


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Rogerbee

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Nice!

For the original Emperor in the 80's cut of TESB they put in the eyes of a chimp. So, next time you want a detailed look at Sith eyes, have a look at a pic of a chimp!

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Oh yes, they certainly made the eyes sparkle, so to speak.


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Is there a guide handbook attached with Emperor Palpatine chair Deluxe

GubernatorFan

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bpvxvqd wrote:Is there a guide handbook attached with Emperor Palpatine chair Deluxe

There is no separate handbook for the throne, but there are the following sections on back of the leaflet for the Palpatine figure:

scifi - Hot Toys Star Wars Emperor Palpatine (Deluxe) Review - Page 4 Pthron10

I hope this helps.


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GubernatorFan wrote:
bpvxvqd wrote:Is there a guide handbook attached with Emperor Palpatine chair Deluxe

There is no separate handbook for the throne, but there are the following sections on back of the leaflet for the Palpatine figure:

scifi - Hot Toys Star Wars Emperor Palpatine (Deluxe) Review - Page 4 Pthron10

I hope this helps.
thanks for the help
Is there more?

GubernatorFan

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bpvxvqd wrote:thanks for the help
Is there more?

You are very welcome. While there is nothing more about the throne, there is the following about the figure and its outfit:

scifi - Hot Toys Star Wars Emperor Palpatine (Deluxe) Review - Page 4 Pthron11


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GubernatorFan wrote:
bpvxvqd wrote:Is there a guide handbook attached with Emperor Palpatine chair Deluxe

There is no separate handbook for the throne, but there are the following sections on back of the leaflet for the Palpatine figure:

scifi - Hot Toys Star Wars Emperor Palpatine (Deluxe) Review - Page 4 Pthron10

I hope this helps.


Sorry for the inconvenience
Please can you help?
I look for sources on  Designs blueprints for Emperor Palpatine chair from Return of the Jedi (1983) from star wars books

GubernatorFan

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I take it you are trying to make your own. I don't have those, but maybe someone else has them and can help. I imagine you have googled this already. Have you looked on Shapeways for printable scale models? -- although given the size, I rather doubt they will have those for sixth scale (moreover, depending on the source material used they may be correct or incorrect).


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GubernatorFan wrote:I take it you are trying to make your own. I don't have those, but maybe someone else has them and can help. I imagine you have googled this already. Have you looked on Shapeways for printable scale models? -- although given the size, I rather doubt they will have those for sixth scale (moreover, depending on the source material used they may be correct or incorrect).
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scifi - Hot Toys Star Wars Emperor Palpatine (Deluxe) Review - Page 4 980x-gif

bpvxvqd

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GubernatorFan wrote:Speaking of Lucas' revisions, when I was looking up some details for the review, I came across a series of essays on the Star Wars original trilogy (both the actual films and their drafts and deleted scenes). It might make some interesting reading considering all the changes (good or bad) that were applied to the original vision and how many discarded details ended up getting recycled, so I am sharing the links below. The writing could be a lot better, but bear in mind it was quickly translated from the original German (not by me).

Episode IV: Star Wars/A New Hope HERE
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back HERE
Episode VI: Return of the Jedi HERE

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Very cool! I like that!

bpvxvqd

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BAMComix wrote:Very cool! I like that!
Thanks
Please can you help?
I look for Detailed informations on Designs sources of original Emperor Palpatine chair from Return of the Jedi (1983).

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