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NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene

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Stryker2011

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CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00313510
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00313610


COOMODEL NO.SE045 Alloy Die Casting 1/6 Empire Series - Henry VIII (Lion Version)
Barcode: 6971124120723


configuration list:
- Head carving
- sdsee
- 6 replacement hands
- 4 black gold armor replacement hands

clothing:
- red long dress
- Black leggings
- Half body chain mail
- Black gold helmet
- Black gold half body plate
- black belt
- Pair of black gold shoulders
- Pair of black gold armor
- Pair of black gold knees
- Pair of black gold leggings
- Pair of black gold boots

arms:
- Cross long 劒
- Red long scabbard
- Dagger
- Red dagger scabbard
- long gun

Accessories:
- Black round bottom bracket


COOMODEL NO.SE045 DIE-CAST ALLOY 1/6 SERIES OF EMPIRES - HENRY VIII (LION VERSION)
BARCODE: 6971242120723


The 1/6th scale Henry VIII (Lion Ver.) specially features:
- One (1) head sculpt
- One (1) body
- Six (6) pieces of interchangeable palms
- Four (4) pieces of interchangeable armed palms

Costumes:
- One (1) red coat
- One (1) pair of black tight pants
- One (1) suit of upper body chain armor
- One (1) black and gold helmet
- One (1) suit of black and gold armor
- One (1) black belt
- One (1) pair of black and gold shoulder armors
- One (1) pair of black and gold vambraces
- One (1) pair of black and gold knee armors
- One (1) pair of black and gold crushes
- One (1) pair of black and gold shoes

Weapons:
- One (1) knight sword
- One (1) red sword scabbard
- One (1) dagger
- One (1) red dagger scabbard
- One (1) spear

Accessories:
- One (1) black figure stand

CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00314710
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00314810
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00314910
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CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00315010
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00315011
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00315110
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00315111
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CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00315310


COOMODEL NO.SE046 Alloy Die Casting 1/6 Empire Series - Henry VIII (Red Dragon Edition)
Barcode: 6971402120730


configuration list:
- Head carving
- sdsee
- 6 replacement hands
- 4 black gold armor replacement hands

clothing:
- red long dress
- Black leggings
- Half body chain mail
- Black gold helmet
- Black gold half body plate
- black belt
- Pair of black gold shoulders
- Pair of black gold armor
- Pair of black gold knees
- Pair of black gold leggings
- Pair of black gold boots
- Golden Crown
- Fur shorts
- Red Phnom Penh Cloak
- Pair of black boots

arms:
- Cross long 劒
- Red long scabbard
- Dagger
- Red dagger scabbard
- long gun

Accessories:
- Black round bottom bracket


COOMODEL NO.SE046 DIE-CAST ALLOY 1/6 SERIES OF EMPIRES - HENRY VIII (RED DRAGON VERSION)
BARCODE: 6971242120730


The 1/6th scale Henry VIII (Red Dragon Ver.) specially features:
- One (1) head sculpt
- One (1) body
- Six (6) pieces of interchangeable palms
- Four (4) pieces of interchangeable armed palms

Costumes:
- One (1) red coat
- One (1) pair of black tight pants
- One (1) suit of upper body chain armor
- One (1) black and gold helmet
- One (1) suit of black and gold armor
- One (1) black belt
- One (1) pair of black and gold shoulder armors
- One (1) pair of black and gold vambraces
- One (1) pair of black and gold knee armors
- One (1) pair of black and gold crushes
- One (1) pair of black and gold shoes
- One (1) gold crown
- One (1) fur coat
- One (1) red and gold cloak
- One (1) pair of black boots

Weapons:
- One (1) knight sword
- One (1) red sword scabbard
- One (1) dagger
- One (1) red dagger scabbard
- One (1) spear

Accessories:
- One (1) black figure stand

CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00353711
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00353710
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00353810
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00353811
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CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00354011


COOMODEL NO.SE047 Alloy Die Casting 1/6 Empire Series - Henry VIII (Tudor Edition)
Barcode: 6971402120747


configuration list:
- Head carving
- sdsee
- 6 replacement hands
- 4 black gold armor replacement hands

clothing:
- red long dress
- Black leggings
- Half body chain mail (woven with 5,500 mini iron rings)
- Black gold helmet
- Black gold half body plate
- black belt
- Pair of black gold shoulders
- Pair of black gold armor
- Pair of black gold knees
- Pair of black gold leggings
- Pair of black gold boots
- Golden Crown
- Fur shorts
- Red Phnom Penh Cloak
- Pair of black boots

arms:
- Cross long 劒
- Red long scabbard
- Dagger
- Red dagger scabbard
- long gun
- Meteor hammer

Accessories:
- Black round bottom bracket


COOMODEL NO.SE047 DIE-CAST ALLOY 1/6 SERIES OF EMPIRES - HENRY VIII (TUDOR DYNASTY VERSION)
BARCODE: 6971242120747


The 1/6th scale Henry VIII (Red Dragon Ver.) specially features:
- One (1) head sculpt
- One (1) body
- Six (6) pieces of interchangeable palms
- Four (4) pieces of interchangeable armed palms

Costumes:
- One (1) red coat
- One (1) pair of black tight pants
- One (1) suit of upper body chain armor (Weaved of about 5,500 mini iron hoops)
- One (1) black and gold helmet
- One (1) suit of black and gold armor
- One (1) black belt
- One (1) pair of black and gold shoulder armors
- One (1) pair of black and gold vambraces
- One (1) pair of black and gold knee armors
- One (1) pair of black and gold crushes
- One (1) pair of black and gold shoes
- One (1) gold crown
- One (1) fur coat
- One (1) red and gold cloak
- One (1) pair of black boots

Weapons:
- One (1) knight sword
- One (1) red sword scabbard
- One (1) dagger
- One (1) red dagger scabbard
- One (1) spear
- One (1) bola

Accessories:
- One (1) black figure stand

CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00363510
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CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00363611
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00363710
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CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00364011
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00364110
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00364111
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00364210
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COOMODEL NO.SE048 Alloy Die Casting 1/6 Empire Series - Henry VIII (Wolf Hall Edition) Scene Set Barcode: 69712242120754

Note: The Scene Set (Wolf Hall Edition) does not include the dolls and armor weapons that appear in the picture.

configuration list:
- Cross carved flower throne
- Armored racks
- Weapon bracket
- Yellow Dragon Flag
- Red Lion Flag
- Stone safflower background board


COOMODEL NO.SE048 DIE-CAST ALLOY 1/6 SERIES OF EMPIRES - HENRY VIII (WOLF HALL VERSION) DISPLAY SET
BARCODE: 6971242120754


Notice: the figure, armors and weapons shown in the pictures are NOT included in this set

The 1/6th scale Wolf Hall Display Set specially features:
- One (1) throne with cross
- One (1) armor display stand
- One (1) weapon display stand
- One (1) yellow flag with dragon pattern
- One (1) red flag with lion pattern
- One (1) display screen with red flowers

CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00374510
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00374511
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00374610
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00374611
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00374710
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00374711
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CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00374810
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00374910
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00374911
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CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00375011
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00375110
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene 00375112
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This version may be more complicated, and you can get a quick overview of the differences.


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GubernatorFan

GubernatorFan
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Impressive sets, although the likeness to actor Jonathan Rhys Meyers from The Tudors series is not stellar (and he was, visually speaking, one of the least convincing Henry VIIIs ever). The elaborately-decorated armor does look similar to at least one of the several Henry VIII suits of armor (I haven't looked at them too thoroughly).


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shazzdan

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It is based off the one in the MET. It was the last suit of armour he wore so was the largest of them all.

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/23936

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The myth about knights being winched into their saddles began with this armour. Henry wore it at the siege of Boulogne in 1544. He wanted to command personally but couldn't get into his saddle, so they rigged up a winch for him. The reason he couldn't get into his saddle was because of his bad leg and corpulent obesity, not because of his armour. Even if he wore no armour at all he still would have needed the winch.


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skywalkersaga

skywalkersaga
Hmm, I like the armour and the throne/backdrop on this one, but could do without the headsculpt. At least a headsculpt can be swapped out relatively easily though.

And lol, the winching him into the saddle reminds me of that sketch with the song 'Henry the VIII was capable of flight'... Laughing


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Stryker2011

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Gorgeous armor; I would never display his face visible if I got this set -- so the HS is irrelevant to me.


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CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene Bnp4ba10
Credit to greygoose for the signature card

Delanie

Delanie
i kind of like the throne bits and pieces and the mail shirt but that particular …… was never one of my favourite monarchs although Queen Bess did make up for it.


As far as I'm concerned there is only one more Infamous king/ruler of this country and as I recall he was beheaded after his death

Stryker2011

Stryker2011
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Delanie wrote:i kind of like the throne bits and pieces and the mail shirt but that particular …… was never one of my favourite monarchs although Queen Bess did make up for it.


As far as I'm concerned there is only one more Infamous king/ruler of this country and as I recall he was beheaded after his death

After, or is that how he died?


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CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene Bnp4ba10
Credit to greygoose for the signature card

skywalkersaga

skywalkersaga
Stryker2011 wrote:
Delanie wrote:i kind of like the throne bits and pieces and the mail shirt but that particular …… was never one of my favourite monarchs although Queen Bess did make up for it.


As far as I'm concerned there is only one more Infamous king/ruler of this country and as I recall he was beheaded after his death

After, or is that how he died?

I think Delanie is referring to Oliver Cromwell, whose corpse was dug up by the Royalists and beheaded, amongst other things...


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not as a contradiction, but as a transcendence of the universal tragedy of man."

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shazzdan

shazzdan
I wrote paper on Cromwell and concluded that he was unjustly maligned. During his rule there was complete freedom of religion, labour reforms, attempts at social equality, more democratic representation in Parliament, and much more. The nobilty obviously did not want any of this and so undid most of these reforms when the monarchy was restored. Cromwell is thought of poorly today because of their smear campaign after his death.


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Delanie

Delanie
There you and I will have to agree to differ Shazz the repercussions of the actions of both of these 'people' are still being felt today and not in a good way

GubernatorFan

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shazzdan wrote:I wrote paper on Cromwell and realised that he was unjustly maligned. During his rule there was complete freedom of religion, labour reforms, attempts at social equality, more democratic representation in Parliament, and much more. The nobilty obviously did not want any of this and so undid most of these reforms when the monarchy was restored. Cromwell is thought of poorly today because of their smear campaign after his death.

And that's what is called enthusiastic revisionism. Smile I am sure Oliver Cromwell was maligned after the fact, and much of it was unjust or exaggerated, but a lot of it was quite appropriate. He was a self-righteous hypocritical and puritanical tyrant guilty of a great many crimes against the crown, the people, other peoples (especially the Irish), the arts, etc, who was lucky to be brought to justice only posthumously, so to speak (he had died in 1658, was exhumed and beheaded in 1661). As for the nobility, there was plenty of nobility against the Stewart kings before and after the Commonwealth. At any rate, perhaps Delanie was partly thinking of Oliver Cromwell's great-great-uncle Thomas Cromwell, who was one of Henry VIII's ministers until falling into disfavor (somewhat unfairly) and losing his head on the block (1540).


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skywalkersaga

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Lol, you beat me to it, GF. ;p

(But yeah, since Delanie specifically said ‘beheaded *after* his death’, Oliver Cromwell was the one that came immediately to mind ... Wink )


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Stryker2011

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I thought maybe she was talking about Charles I, which is why I asked my question.


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CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene Bnp4ba10
Credit to greygoose for the signature card

Delanie

Delanie
oh no GF it was oliver i was thinking of and i agree with your comments.


Henry well he was a person who in my opinion should have been hanged not beheaded for many of the same reasons

GubernatorFan

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At the risk of continuing to discuss historical characters (and off the cuff, at that) rather than the figure, I agree that there is a lot that there is wrong with Henry VIII and even more with the image of Henry VIII as an inherently powerful, able, and popular king (though he did exhibit at least some of the traits of a sophisticated Renaissance prince). His policies were mercurial, his pride, vanity, and self-righteous determination excessive. But some of this was shaped externally, like the temptation to emulate Henry V in France after England lost the Hundred Years War and suffered through the War of the Roses, and the desire to end his sonless marriage. Of course he could have made other, maybe better choices. For all the posturing, he left England impoverished and divided when he died. I think Jonathan Rhys Meyers (to return to this figure ... so to speak) did a good job conveying the conflicting and often monstrous sides of Henry's character even if he never quite looked like the historical king. Similarly, the show did convey (to me, at any rate) the additional point that no matter how monstrous the king, some of his ministers were in fact more malevolent (in fact, I suspect that the corrupt Cardinal Wolsey was most benign character amongst them). Henry VIII has benefited from the amazingly successful Tudor propaganda machine and the gratitude of the Anglican Church; the same can be said for Elizabeth I, who seems to have been a generally nicer person, although driven to great cruelty by her ongoing political insecurity (especially against her female relations -- well they were all female at this point -- and I don't just mean Mary I of Scots).


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shazzdan

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I liked his portrayal in the Tudors as well. Henry's overriding need was to produce a male heir. Everything he did should be seen through this lens.


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GubernatorFan

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shazzdan wrote:I liked his portrayal in the Tudors as well. Henry's overriding need was to produce a male heir. Everything he did should be seen through this lens.

So true. And that had profound effects and side-effects on so much else. According to one of the experts (Starkey?), one of the ironies is that Henry VIII was actually quite modern in one sense -- the expectation that he would also be in love with his wife -- and that contributed to the maelstrom of his domestic life and arrangements.


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Rogerbee

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Great looking armour!

Massive thanks to Shazzdan for posting that pic of the actual armour, I can use that to colour match paints for when I build my Aurora Black Knight kit.

CHEERS!

SnakeyJones


Any thoughts on the chainmail? It looks a tad oversized to me but i'm curious what the experts have to say.

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GubernatorFan

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SnakeyJones wrote:Any thoughts on the chainmail? It looks a tad oversized to me but i'm curious what the experts have to say.

I have often wondered about this myself. As for being a little oversized (if you mean the size of the rings), it certainly is, but that is just a factor of the scale -- it would be well nigh impossible to design true functional metal mail in real sixth scale.

Now I am no specialist on military equipment per se, but mail was indeed used to cover the gaps between plates. The simplest and probably safest way to do that was to have a mail shirt/tunic under the plates and over the gambeson -- at least in the earlier periods. And at that early point, it seems that mail tunics were worn under the plates, as you can see in the tomb effigy below:
CooModel - NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene Thomas_11Warwick

But as plate armor was perfected, it reduced the need for mail (and the cloth gambeson itself became thinner), and arguably it might have been hindered by full mail -- not to mention the increased (though not impossible) weight. There is much debate on your question, but at that point the mail might well have been reduced to specific sections to cover the larger potential gaps between plates. Henry VIII's armor is from the first half of the 16th century and so fairly advanced plate. Perhaps the mail tunic doesn't make sense, although it might have been the most pragmatic way for Pop Toys to produce this part of the equipment. But I am hypothesizing here (and my reference book on this sort of thing is out of reach), hopefully someone else might know for certain.

Generally speaking, mail did become rare in Western Europe, giving way to either plate or no metal armor at all; it was resurrected in the more recent period for some early (and ineffective) attempts at creating bulletproof vests.

Here is a little diagram showing the basic revolution in knightly armor (the 1535 armor still shows at the very least a mail skirt over the groin area -- but it could have been the lower part of a mail tunic).

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Similarly this 1525 armor here:
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Keep in mind that something that might bear upon this issue is whether this particular armor was primarily intended for warfare or tournament -- either is possible for Henry VIII, although he is only known to have personally participated in tournaments, as far as I know (he did go on military campaigns in France twice, but I don't think he actually fought -- and I don't know whether the armor he would have worn on campaign would have differed from his tournament armor).

While looking for images, I came across discussion of some of these issues on these sites, which might be of some interest...

http://www.baremettle.com/forums/index.php?threads/wearing-full-chainmail-under-full-plate-armor-realistic-ineffective.3343/

https://wuhstry.wordpress.com/2015/10/18/medieval-and-renaissance-plate-armour-how-effective-was-it-really/

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Yes the mail uses oversized links. It is still a far cry from the woven plastic we usually get. If you want links of the correct scale, be prepared to pay triple the price.

Mail never became rare in Henry's time. We have surviving records from various production centers with orders in batches of several thousand mail shirts in each order. And they were supposed to be ready in a period of weeks.

Fully articulated and custom-fitted plate was preferred but it could only be afforded by the very rich. The majority of fighters wore munitions plate or mail or jacks. Giovanni Michiel was a Venetian Ambassador to Queen Mary and King Philip. This comes from his "Report of England", written to the Venetian Senate on the 13th May, 1557.

"... and for the body they either use some sort of breastplate (qualche petto di corsaletto) which guards the forepart, although indifferently, or else more willingly (especially those who have the means) some jack (giaco) or shirt of mail (camicia di maglia); but what they usually wear are certain padded canvas jupons (giubboni di canevaccio imbottiti), each of which is double high, two fingers or more in thickness (doppi alti due dita); and these doublets are considered the most secure defence against the shock of arrows. Upon their arms they place strips of mail (liste di maglia), put lengthways, and nothing else."

It says that breastplates were the least desirable of all the kinds of armour - only worn by those who couldn't afford anything better. By this time, mail armour and textile armour cost more than plate. It also says that their padded canvas jupons were best at resisting the "shock of arrows".


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this is still a nice set and I would love the throne to use with the Henry V figure. I have about 5 gorgeous castles nearby, which would make great backdrops to a photo shoot! These castles are more synonomous with Edward Longshanks than Henry though, but still...

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I agree, lurpdog, I really love the throne and backdrop, and would definitely find plenty of uses for it!


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lurpdog101 wrote:this is still a nice set and I would love the throne to use with the Henry V figure. I have about 5 gorgeous castles nearby, which would make great backdrops to a photo shoot! These castles are more synonomous with Edward Longshanks than Henry though, but still...

They might have been built by Edward but they were still being used in Henry's time. They wouldn't be suitable for photoshoots in Edward's time because they would have to look brand new.


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shazzdan wrote:
lurpdog101 wrote:this is still a nice set and I would love the throne to use with the Henry V figure. I have about 5 gorgeous castles nearby, which would make great backdrops to a photo shoot! These castles are more synonomous with Edward Longshanks than Henry though, but still...

They might have been built by Edward but they were still being used in Henry's time. They wouldn't be suitable for photoshoots in Edward's time because they would have to look brand new.

Yes, now that is very true mate. A bit of ruined castle in the background might just work. I also have a 1/6 ruined castle diorama, well, ruined castle room, which is big. Can just picture having the throne set up, or the king and some knights overlooking the countryside

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lurpdog101 wrote:this is still a nice set and I would love the throne to use with the Henry V figure. I have about 5 gorgeous castles nearby, which would make great backdrops to a photo shoot! These castles are more synonomous with Edward Longshanks than Henry though, but still...

Same here I'd love to have the throne and other furniture/decorative items for my GOT figures!

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Well, looks like the throne, banners, and weapons stands are available as a separate set. Hopefully more affordable, too.

As for castles, Henry VIII was actually known as a relatively prolific castle builder, especially when it came to coastal defenses in the south and east of England (if memory serves).


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GubernatorFan wrote:Well, looks like the throne, banners, and weapons stands are available as a separate set. Hopefully more affordable, too.

As for castles, Henry VIII was actually known as a relatively prolific castle builder, especially when it came to coastal defenses in the south and east of England (if memory serves).

I just saw that - Onesixkit has them showing at $127 for the set. But then they are selling them as 3 separate entities - Henry VIII Red Dragon version, Henry VIII Tudor Dynasty version and then the Grey Wolf hall version display set.

Yes, he was indeed. I'm up in North Wales, so have many here too. Some amazing ones in the south and east of England too. In fact, splendid examples all over.

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lurpdog101 wrote:Yes, he was indeed. I'm up in North Wales, so have many here too. Some amazing ones in the south and east of England too. In fact, splendid examples all over.

Cool, I did not know he built much in N Wales too (though I do know he integrated Wales into England and moreover reassigned some of its SE counties to it more directly -- they were returned in the 20th century). And being in Wales (which we Americans imagine as pretty small on a generic map), you should probably go visit shovelchop and report on all the treasures you find there! Wink


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Oh - my error, I did not mean to imply he built them here, just that we have some fine ones! Edward Longshanks built some. Caernarfon already existed as a motte and Bailey style before Edward built it with the bricks we now know.

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No problem, I was wondering if you didn't mean castles more generally. Personally I prefer the real medieval structures, preferably with as little later alteration as possible ...


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GubernatorFan wrote:No problem, I was wondering if you didn't mean castles more generally. Personally I prefer the real medieval structures, preferably with as little later alteration as possible ...

Very true - but bear in mind, when I say modified with stone, I'm talking about 1283 when it was modified haha...so still medieval.

Without wishing to steer topic away haha here is Caernarfon Castle - built up in 1283 from Motte and Bailey. (still have stump ruins of a motte and Bailey castle in Prestatyn)

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and Conwy - again built by Edward 1


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Thanks GubernatorFan and shazzdan for the replies; lots of interesting information to sink my teeth into.

Shame the mail links are indeed oversized; but as GF pointed out that's just the reality of the scale.

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lurpdog101 wrote:Very true - but bear in mind, when I say modified with stone, I'm talking about 1283 when it was modified haha...so still medieval.

Sorry, I was making a distinction between Medieval (like Edward I) and Early Modern (like Henry VIII). While I can appreciate modern structures, artefacts, history, etc, I am much more excited about everything before 1500 or so. Caernarfon and Conway/Conwy are among my favorite castles. Alongside Coucy in France and Platamonas in Greece, among a bunch of others.


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SnakeyJones wrote:Thanks GubernatorFan and shazzdan for the replies; lots of interesting information to sink my teeth into. Shame the mail links are indeed oversized; but as GF pointed out that's just the reality of the scale.

You are welcome. If you are looking for mail with smaller links in sixth scale, and if the shapes and lengths work for you, you could consider the new rubber mail tunics by Kaustic Plastik. Obviously they are not real mail, but they do convey the look. Actually they could be modified to work under plate armor. They work best with visibly-jointed bodies with removable arms.

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GubernatorFan wrote:
lurpdog101 wrote:Very true - but bear in mind, when I say modified with stone, I'm talking about 1283 when it was modified haha...so still medieval.

Sorry, I was making a distinction between Medieval (like Edward I) and Early Modern (like Henry VIII). While I can appreciate modern structures, artefacts, history, etc, I am much more excited about everything before 1500 or so. Caernarfon and Conway/Conwy are among my favorite castles. Alongside Coucy in France and Platamonas in Greece, among a bunch of others.

ah got you. Yes, I agree with you. I love pre-1500 castles and structures. Love visiting them.

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Typical mail had links between 6 and 8 mm in diameter. At 1:6 scale, this translates to 1-1.3 mm. The smallest I've successfully worked with is around 3 mm, which IMO is small enough to convey the appearance of proper mail. The links in the above photo look like they are around 4  mm, which isn't too bad.

shazzdan wrote:Yes the mail uses oversized links. It is still a far cry from the woven plastic we usually get.

More trivia: there were mail shirts with links that large, just not in Europe. Some Russian mail shirts had links like this, but they were meant to be worn over a second mail shirt with regular-sized links. Look at the contrast between the regular mail in the helmet curtain and the oversized links in the shirt.

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GubernatorFan wrote:
SnakeyJones wrote:Thanks GubernatorFan and shazzdan for the replies; lots of interesting information to sink my teeth into. Shame the mail links are indeed oversized; but as GF pointed out that's just the reality of the scale.

You are welcome. If you are looking for mail with smaller links in sixth scale, and if the shapes and lengths work for you, you could consider the new rubber mail tunics by Kaustic Plastik. Obviously they are not real mail, but they do convey the look. Actually they could be modified to work under plate armor. They work best with visibly-jointed bodies with removable arms.

This is a good point. They never show us the back of the above mail shirt. I don't think it expands enough to let it be slipped over the head like a sweater. The only way to put this on a figure that doesn't have removable arms is to leave it open down the back.


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Anyone know if the figure's non-armor outfit was a costume used in the Tudors series?  Or if it matches a historical outfit?

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whitd wrote:Anyone know if the figure's non-armor outfit was a costume used in the Tudors series?  Or if it matches a historical outfit?

I can't be certain. It looks palpably less elaborate than the costumes from the series, and if it appears there at all, it might have been fairly obscure (although certain elements do seem similar).

This is the closest I found:
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but see here:
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You can look through these search results for plenty of screen captures from the series:

HERE

or

HERE

You can also check this out, but I'm not sure about the scale of "Tonner Dolls."
https://www.etsy.com/sg-en/listing/597976885/the-tudors-henry-viii-outfit-tudor


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