NEW PRODUCT: COOMODEL: 1 / 6 alloy die-casting empire series - Henry VIII Lions version of the red dragon version of the Tudor version of the Wolf Hall scene

this is still a nice set and I would love the throne to use with the Henry V figure. I have about 5 gorgeous castles nearby, which would make great backdrops to a photo shoot! These castles are more synonomous with Edward Longshanks than Henry though, but still...

I agree, lurpdog, I really love the throne and backdrop, and would definitely find plenty of uses for it!

lurpdog101 wrote:this is still a nice set and I would love the throne to use with the Henry V figure. I have about 5 gorgeous castles nearby, which would make great backdrops to a photo shoot! These castles are more synonomous with Edward Longshanks than Henry though, but still...

They might have been built by Edward but they were still being used in Henry's time. They wouldn't be suitable for photoshoots in Edward's time because they would have to look brand new.

shazzdan wrote:

lurpdog101 wrote:this is still a nice set and I would love the throne to use with the Henry V figure. I have about 5 gorgeous castles nearby, which would make great backdrops to a photo shoot! These castles are more synonomous with Edward Longshanks than Henry though, but still...

They might have been built by Edward but they were still being used in Henry's time. They wouldn't be suitable for photoshoots in Edward's time because they would have to look brand new.

Yes, now that is very true mate. A bit of ruined castle in the background might just work. I also have a 1/6 ruined castle diorama, well, ruined castle room, which is big. Can just picture having the throne set up, or the king and some knights overlooking the countryside

lurpdog101 wrote:this is still a nice set and I would love the throne to use with the Henry V figure. I have about 5 gorgeous castles nearby, which would make great backdrops to a photo shoot! These castles are more synonomous with Edward Longshanks than Henry though, but still...

Same here I'd love to have the throne and other furniture/decorative items for my GOT figures!

Well, looks like the throne, banners, and weapons stands are available as a separate set. Hopefully more affordable, too.

As for castles, Henry VIII was actually known as a relatively prolific castle builder, especially when it came to coastal defenses in the south and east of England (if memory serves).

GubernatorFan wrote:Well, looks like the throne, banners, and weapons stands are available as a separate set. Hopefully more affordable, too.

As for castles, Henry VIII was actually known as a relatively prolific castle builder, especially when it came to coastal defenses in the south and east of England (if memory serves).

I just saw that - Onesixkit has them showing at $127 for the set. But then they are selling them as 3 separate entities - Henry VIII Red Dragon version, Henry VIII Tudor Dynasty version and then the Grey Wolf hall version display set.

Yes, he was indeed. I'm up in North Wales, so have many here too. Some amazing ones in the south and east of England too. In fact, splendid examples all over.

lurpdog101 wrote:Yes, he was indeed. I'm up in North Wales, so have many here too. Some amazing ones in the south and east of England too. In fact, splendid examples all over.

Cool, I did not know he built much in N Wales too (though I do know he integrated Wales into England and moreover reassigned some of its SE counties to it more directly -- they were returned in the 20th century). And being in Wales (which we Americans imagine as pretty small on a generic map), you should probably go visit shovelchop and report on all the treasures you find there!

Oh - my error, I did not mean to imply he built them here, just that we have some fine ones! Edward Longshanks built some. Caernarfon already existed as a motte and Bailey style before Edward built it with the bricks we now know.

No problem, I was wondering if you didn't mean castles more generally. Personally I prefer the real medieval structures, preferably with as little later alteration as possible ...

GubernatorFan wrote:No problem, I was wondering if you didn't mean castles more generally. Personally I prefer the real medieval structures, preferably with as little later alteration as possible ...

Very true - but bear in mind, when I say modified with stone, I'm talking about 1283 when it was modified haha...so still medieval.

Without wishing to steer topic away haha here is Caernarfon Castle - built up in 1283 from Motte and Bailey. (still have stump ruins of a motte and Bailey castle in Prestatyn)




and Conwy - again built by Edward 1

Thanks GubernatorFan and shazzdan for the replies; lots of interesting information to sink my teeth into.

Shame the mail links are indeed oversized; but as GF pointed out that's just the reality of the scale.

lurpdog101 wrote:Very true - but bear in mind, when I say modified with stone, I'm talking about 1283 when it was modified haha...so still medieval.

Sorry, I was making a distinction between Medieval (like Edward I) and Early Modern (like Henry VIII). While I can appreciate modern structures, artefacts, history, etc, I am much more excited about everything before 1500 or so. Caernarfon and Conway/Conwy are among my favorite castles. Alongside Coucy in France and Platamonas in Greece, among a bunch of others.

SnakeyJones wrote:Thanks GubernatorFan and shazzdan for the replies; lots of interesting information to sink my teeth into. Shame the mail links are indeed oversized; but as GF pointed out that's just the reality of the scale.

You are welcome. If you are looking for mail with smaller links in sixth scale, and if the shapes and lengths work for you, you could consider the new rubber mail tunics by Kaustic Plastik. Obviously they are not real mail, but they do convey the look. Actually they could be modified to work under plate armor. They work best with visibly-jointed bodies with removable arms.

See my kitbash thread HERE.

GubernatorFan wrote:

lurpdog101 wrote:Very true - but bear in mind, when I say modified with stone, I'm talking about 1283 when it was modified haha...so still medieval.

Sorry, I was making a distinction between Medieval (like Edward I) and Early Modern (like Henry VIII). While I can appreciate modern structures, artefacts, history, etc, I am much more excited about everything before 1500 or so. Caernarfon and Conway/Conwy are among my favorite castles. Alongside Coucy in France and Platamonas in Greece, among a bunch of others.

ah got you. Yes, I agree with you. I love pre-1500 castles and structures. Love visiting them.

Typical mail had links between 6 and 8 mm in diameter. At 1:6 scale, this translates to 1-1.3 mm. The smallest I've successfully worked with is around 3 mm, which IMO is small enough to convey the appearance of proper mail. The links in the above photo look like they are around 4  mm, which isn't too bad.

shazzdan wrote:Yes the mail uses oversized links. It is still a far cry from the woven plastic we usually get.

More trivia: there were mail shirts with links that large, just not in Europe. Some Russian mail shirts had links like this, but they were meant to be worn over a second mail shirt with regular-sized links. Look at the contrast between the regular mail in the helmet curtain and the oversized links in the shirt.

GubernatorFan wrote:

SnakeyJones wrote:Thanks GubernatorFan and shazzdan for the replies; lots of interesting information to sink my teeth into. Shame the mail links are indeed oversized; but as GF pointed out that's just the reality of the scale.

You are welcome. If you are looking for mail with smaller links in sixth scale, and if the shapes and lengths work for you, you could consider the new rubber mail tunics by Kaustic Plastik. Obviously they are not real mail, but they do convey the look. Actually they could be modified to work under plate armor. They work best with visibly-jointed bodies with removable arms.

This is a good point. They never show us the back of the above mail shirt. I don't think it expands enough to let it be slipped over the head like a sweater. The only way to put this on a figure that doesn't have removable arms is to leave it open down the back.

Timewalker has the Lion version for $228.99 for those in the states that may be interested.

Anyone know if the figure's non-armor outfit was a costume used in the Tudors series?  Or if it matches a historical outfit?

whitd wrote:Anyone know if the figure's non-armor outfit was a costume used in the Tudors series?  Or if it matches a historical outfit?

I can't be certain. It looks palpably less elaborate than the costumes from the series, and if it appears there at all, it might have been fairly obscure (although certain elements do seem similar).

This is the closest I found:


but see here:


You can look through these search results for plenty of screen captures from the series:

HERE

or

HERE

You can also check this out, but I'm not sure about the scale of "Tonner Dolls."
https://www.etsy.com/sg-en/listing/597976885/the-tudors-henry-viii-outfit-tudor

GubernatorFan wrote:

whitd wrote:Anyone know if the figure's non-armor outfit was a costume used in the Tudors series?  Or if it matches a historical outfit?

I can't be certain. It looks palpably less elaborate than the costumes from the series, and if it appears there at all, it might have been fairly obscure (although certain elements do seem similar).

You can look through these search results for plenty of screen captures from the series:

HERE

or

HERE

You can also check this out, but I'm not sure about the scale of "Tonner Dolls."
https://www.etsy.com/sg-en/listing/597976885/the-tudors-henry-viii-outfit-tudor

Thanks for the pics.  

Yeah I've been scrolling through google images for what seems like ages hoping to find a match.  I was very enthused about this figure at first despite the price point, but now I'm now sure what they are actually selling.   A historical figure?  A film/television figure?  

The head sculpt had me believing it must be a costume from the show, but it doesn't seem to be.  So maybe its taken from history.  But even if it is, it feels too simple, as you mention, to be a good choice.

The armor looks reasonably close to being historically accurate, except the body size/type is wrong for the actual man.  So I'm left not knowing what to make of it all.  

The throne also does not seem to match the show or history from what I've found so far.

Due to the headsculpt, the figure seems based on the Tudors tv series, but I cannot really say how screen-accurate the outfits are as I only viewed the first two seasons of that show and then stopped. And it's been so long now I honestly cannot recall what, if any, of the outfits appeared that early on in the series.

As for Tonner dolls, they are approximately 1:4 scale.

That's what I love about this forum, the great exchange of vast knowledge, backed up with great pictures.
And nobody said anything about Henry's codpiece, so I won't mention it either! (I guess it was another armour...)

I visited Conwy castle just last month. It's funny how the railway was Integrated there. But I really wouldn't like to live under the city wall, it's just one step to get onto the roofs. One even placed barbed wire - to fend of tourists I think.

And I guess the clever Chinese who finally find a way to mass produce realistic 1/6 mail will become very rich.