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Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand

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1Horse - Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand Empty Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand on Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:49 pm

GubernatorFan

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Given the recent discussion of the size, proportion, and appearance of Mr. Z horses, here is a short overview of the Hanoverian horse model by Mr. Z. It is a statue available in several variations, namely color: white, brown, dark brown, black, and white-and-grey. The statue comes with reins, stirrups, and a saddle, which I haven't quite sorted out yet, so I will only show it in this promotional image:

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The horse's physical extremities are just over 12 inches (30 cm) long, just under 12 inches (30 cm) tall to the base of the ears, and about 9.5 inches (23 cm) tall right in front of where the saddle would go (this is the spot at which "hand" measurements are taken, as far as I know). The horse's head is turned slightly to its left, and the posture is semi-stationary, with some suggested movement in the legs. The mane and tail hairs are just a little unwieldy, but more futzing should help.

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I picked the horse both because it has an attractive and fairly generic appearance, and because it is somewhat smaller than other sixth-scale horses which often appear to be oversized for sixth-scale figures. Here he is with one and two riders. I think it works very well, and keep in mind that the angle of the camera (for all that I tried to shoot from close to the ground) does tend to exaggerate the size of what is closer to the top, i.e., the rider(s). In fact, you can probably notice a variation in appearance between different photos among the ones included below.

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I'm very happy with these horses, and my one regret is that they are not articulated. Now if only TBLeague could do a seamless articulated horse (or any other useful animal, for that matter). Smile

What do you think?

#mrz #horse #hanoverian #statue


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2Horse - Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand Empty Re: Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand on Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:01 pm

Stryker2011

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Looks pretty good as far as the overall sculpt of the horse. Mr. Z really are impressive in the details -- the fine "hairs" sculpted into the coat are really impressive to say the least, and it has a nice, long beautiful face -- aside from the slightly shorter stature, this looks very much like one of the horses that we had when I was a kid. Overall, I would say this is a good alternative to the now almost gone and super expensive Yili's which are now priced at nearly $300, when they were about $120 when first announced -- God I HATE eBay scalpers.


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3Horse - Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand Empty Re: Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand on Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:12 pm

skywalkersaga

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Lovely sunset beach ride! Complete with shirtless dude on a horse. ;D 

And thanks for the review and all the pics -- I do think he is a cute horse. I'm not sure if there is any kind of product that could work to 'tame' the mane and tail a bit more, but it looks alright here... just a bit windswept, which is probably appropriate for the scene. 

The only thing I would suggest is to lay the 'forelock', the longer bit of mane that is sticking up at the front, back down between his ears to rest against his forehead. I realize that it probably isn't staying down very well on its own at the moment, but once he has a bridle on you can probably tuck it under the browband.


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4Horse - Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand Empty Re: Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand on Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:53 pm

GubernatorFan

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Stryker2011 wrote:Looks pretty good as far as the overall sculpt of the horse. Mr. Z really are impressive in the details -- the fine "hairs" sculpted into the coat are really impressive to say the least, and it has a nice, long beautiful face -- aside from the slightly shorter stature, this looks very much like one of the horses that we had when I was a kid. Overall, I would say this is a good alternative to the now almost gone and super expensive Yili's which are now priced at nearly $300, when they were about $120 when first announced -- God I HATE eBay scalpers.

I agree, but then again I personally prefer the look of the Hanoverian to the Yili anyway.

skywalkersaga wrote:Lovely sunset beach ride! Complete with shirtless dude on a horse. ;D 

And thanks for the review and all the pics -- I do think he is a cute horse. I'm not sure if there is any kind of product that could work to 'tame' the mane and tail a bit more, but it looks alright here... just a bit windswept, which is probably appropriate for the scene. 

The only thing I would suggest is to lay the 'forelock', the longer bit of mane that is sticking up at the front, back down between his ears to rest against his forehead. I realize that it probably isn't staying down very well on its own at the moment, but once he has a bridle on you can probably tuck it under the browband.

It occurred to me that to complete the cliche a white horse would have been preferable, but I don't have a white Mr. Z Hanoverian. Smile

That is indeed my plan for the forelock of the mane, but it wasn't sitting well on the forehead yet (it might eventually), so I settled for what you see for the purpose of the quick photos.


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5Horse - Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand Empty Re: Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand on Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:58 pm

skywalkersaga

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GubernatorFan wrote:

It occurred to me that to complete the cliche a white horse would have been preferable, but I don't have a white Mr. Z Hanoverian. Smile

That is indeed my plan for the forelock of the mane, but it wasn't sitting well on the forehead yet (it might eventually), so I settled for what you see for the purpose of the quick photos.
 
Haha! Well it worked regardless. ;D 

And re: the forelock, that's understandable.... and again, it's fine for the more windswept nature of the scene. 


What are your plans regarding tack? are you going to try to use the horse for some historical kitbashes? curious to see what you do with him. Smile


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6Horse - Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand Empty Re: Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand on Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:03 pm

GubernatorFan

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skywalkersaga wrote:What are your plans regarding tack? are you going to try to use the horse for some historical kitbashes? curious to see what you do with him. Smile

Yes, I intend this for Roman, medieval, and maybe fantasy characters. I got the Kaustic Plastik Roman cavalryman, and intend to sculpt a four-horned Roman saddle so that he could ride this horse.

Speaking of horse stature, I remember recently seeing the Gerard Butler Beowulf movie and being struck by how short those horses were (basically generic proportions, but small and longer-haired).


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7Horse - Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand Empty Re: Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand on Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:07 pm

Ephiane

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Wonderful Pictures ! Thanks for showing. Now we need a extra Thread for to show how You did that fantastic Background Laughing

8Horse - Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand Empty Re: Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand on Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:08 pm

Stryker2011

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I'm debating whether or not I want to get a dark brown and a white one of these; if I do, hopefully I can find diagrams of the tack from the LOTR -- though if I recall, Shadowfax didn't have any tack, but Brego did.


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9Horse - Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand Empty Re: Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand on Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:09 pm

skywalkersaga

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GubernatorFan wrote:
skywalkersaga wrote:What are your plans regarding tack? are you going to try to use the horse for some historical kitbashes? curious to see what you do with him. Smile

Yes, I intend this for Roman, medieval, and maybe fantasy characters. I got the Kaustic Plastik Roman cavalryman, and intend to sculpt a four-horned Roman saddle so that he could ride this horse.

Speaking of horse stature, I remember recently seeing the Gerard Butler Beowulf movie and being struck by how short those horses were (basically generic proportions, but small and longer-haired).

Ah, excellent, can't wait to see! Very Happy 

And oh... yes, I recall that movie from ages ago, and from what I remember, it was filmed in Iceland, which means the horses in question are Icelandic horses. They are descendants of the horses that the Vikings brought over from mainland Scandinavia and the British Isles, and because of strict importation laws, the breed has remained relatively unchanged over the centuries.


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10Horse - Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand Empty Re: Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand on Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:13 pm

GubernatorFan

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Ephiane wrote:Wonderful Pictures ! Thanks for showing. Now we need a extra Thread for to show how You did that fantastic Background Laughing

You are welcome and I'm very happy you liked it. Coming from you, this is a huge compliment. I can't claim much skill with the background -- it is a poster I bought from Hobby Lobby -- and I still can't quite tell whether it is a photo or a realistic painting. My main contribution was finding it, bending the bottom so it could double as the ground surface, and making sure there was no glare or unrealistic shadow when taking the photos.

Stryker2011 wrote:I'm debating whether or not I want to get a dark brown and a white one of these; if I do, hopefully I can find diagrams of the tack from the LOTR -- though if I recall, Shadowfax didn't have any tack, but Brego did.

The dark brown is the one you see here. I already have a couple of white horses, and since they are more unusual and more cliche, I didn't want to get another one in white. The Hanoverians still can be found for relatively reasonable prices -- perhaps you should go for it/them before it's too late. I have been compiling visual sources for the Roman saddle, but haven't gotten around to doing it yet. I did get some green saddle cloth.


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11Horse - Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand Empty Re: Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand on Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:15 pm

GubernatorFan

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skywalkersaga wrote:Ah, excellent, can't wait to see! Very Happy 

And oh... yes, I recall that movie from ages ago, and from what I remember, it was filmed in Iceland, which means the horses in question are Icelandic horses. They are the horses that the Vikings brought over with them from mainland Scandinavia, and because of strict importation laws, the breed has remained relatively unchanged over the centuries.

I hope it won't be disappointing. Thank you for explaining/confirming about the Icelandic breed of horses. And thank God for strict importation laws... Smile


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12Horse - Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand Empty Re: Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand on Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:52 pm

skywalkersaga

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I'm sure you will do it justice! Very Happy

And yes....the importation laws have in fact been in place since the Althing of 982 AD. Importation of other breeds of horses into Iceland continues to be prohibited today because the gene pool has been isolated for so long that the Icelandic horses would now be very susceptible to various diseases.

The laws are so strict that you cannot even wear riding gear or use tack that has been previously used outside of Iceland, unless it is completely disinfected first. And winning an international competition is a bittersweet thing for an owner of an Icelandic horse -- for once it leaves the country, it can never return.


I have had the pleasure of riding these horses many times when I lived in Iceland, many moons ago.... absolutely delightful creatures. <3


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13Horse - Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand Empty Re: Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand on Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:48 am

Ephiane

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GubernatorFan wrote:
Ephiane wrote:Wonderful Pictures ! Thanks for showing. Now we need a extra Thread for to show how You did that fantastic Background Laughing

You are welcome and I'm very happy you liked it. Coming from you, this is a huge compliment. I can't claim much skill with the background -- it is a poster I bought from Hobby Lobby -- and I still can't quite tell whether it is a photo or a realistic painting. My main contribution was finding it, bending the bottom so it could double as the ground surface, and making sure there was no glare or unrealistic shadow when taking the photos.


Ahh ! Great Idea. It´s bended, not in a 90 ° Angle. Your background is well choosen and so atmospheric !


Stryker2011 wrote:I'm debating whether or not I want to get a dark brown and a white one of these; if I do, hopefully I can find diagrams of the tack from the LOTR -- though if I recall, Shadowfax didn't have any tack, but Brego did.

Oh, Man, Shadowfax. I watched the scene 100 times, when Gandalf rides into the Garden of Isengard. Before the Orcs ruined it Rolling Eyes . That was the Inspiration for the galopping Wizzard i did.

14Horse - Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand Empty Re: Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand on Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:05 pm

GubernatorFan

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Ephiane wrote:Ahh ! Great Idea. It's bent, not in a 90 ° Angle. Your background is well chosen and so atmospheric!

Thank you very much! The gradual/natural bending of the background without a crease is a technique I learned from Michael Crawford's reviews, although apparently it has a longstanding tradition in 1:1 backdrops as well. It works well for nature scenes where the background would be more distant (in this case the horizon), provided you have enough foreground included to serve as ground surface -- and finding these for the relatively large 1:6 figures is sometimes a challenge. Most posters with beachside imagery would naturally allot more space to the sea and air than to the sand in the foreground; this had just enough. Similarly with images of forests, where the focus tends to be on the trees, and there isn't always enough of the soil and undergrowth included to work like this. But sometimes there is just enough. Like here, to borrow a photo from one of my other recent reviews:

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I think it works less well and less realistically for interior spaces, where you would be better served by real 90 degree angles with separate floor and wall surfaces and where shadows falling on the wall would be realistic and appropriate.

Another challenge is glare -- most posters have a glossy or semi-glossy surface, and that limits the angles at which you can have the light shining on them when taking photos. I find it preferable when possible to find the desired images, prepare them in graphics program to the desired size, and then have them printed out on matte paper (as with the Romans above).


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15Horse - Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand Empty Re: Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand on Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:27 pm

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Very nice. I much prefer this to the Yili


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16Horse - Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand Empty Re: Mr Z Hanoverian Horse in Hand on Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:52 pm

GubernatorFan

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shazzdan wrote:Very nice. I much prefer this to the Yili

Glad you like it, too. I thought you might, given its smaller size is more appropriate for ancient horses.


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