shovelchop81 wrote:I just enjoy it and don't over think it. Unrealistic? It's SCI-FI in another galaxy and universe as far as we know, too many trooper types? Look at just one county (as a fair comparison to a single ruling power like the Empire) on Earth's military forces for the extensive range of specialists, uniforms, equipment, policing, emergency responders etc..(all roles played by Troopers from what we know) then multiply that by countries with different environments and needs in the way of gear, then planets with completely different environments; I have no idea how the ST's we have now cope! If anything they need a hell of a lot more specialist gear for different conditions and specially trained operators, now that's being more realistic. Do you read all the Star Wars novels? Expanded Universe stuff as well as cannon? If not this may be why our views differ, they offer a lot more insight into the actual capabilities of regular ST's and their limitations in many environments, both technical and ergonomic as well as 'tunnel vision' training regimes.
You are probably definitely right when you say you don't overthink it (and, by extension, that I do). Yes, we have very different views, probably for a wide variety of reasons (also see next). But indeed I don't read Star Wars novels, expanded universe, etc. And my idea of canon is even more exclusive than that currently used by Lucasfilm/Disney. In principle I have no problem with innovation (and moving away from childish stale and repetitive plots might be a good place to start), but that does not mean that all innovation makes sense here. For myth or fiction or any film rendition to resonate, it has to have some grounding in realism, even if aspects of the work (like magic or force or strange creatures) would take us away from what we would consider reality. So, yes, I expect science fiction to be realistic to some extent; being so makes the unrealistic parts work. The empire might be galactic, but it is one military organization, which has been defined (with almost comedic simplicity) as uniform and streamlined. So yes, I would expect just a few trooper types. And where they need to adapt to special conditions, they would get extra gear. So we have regular stormtroopers, "sand troopers," "space troopers," and "snow troopers" (although in the case of the latter, the extra gear replaces the otherwise more uniform armor and helmet) -- all that is fine. Then we have other types of units -- "scout troopers," regular army ("AT-ST drivers"), naval guards ("death star troopers") with uniform variations, gunners with uniform variations, ground crews, naval crews, maintenance ("scan crew"), pilots, heavy machinery drivers (in snow conditions only? -- "AT-AT drivers"), not to mention the imperial royal guards and the various types of officers (most abundant in the original movie) -- still fine, although some of it may be superfluous (should AT-AT and AT-ST be driven by different types of units, and is the AT-AT driver outfit simply the wintry counterpart to the AT-ST driver outfit? Doesn't quite add up, since the AT-AT commander wears the armored version of the AT-ST driver outfit even in a wintry battle scene.). I am just not convinced that given all that, we have any truly justifiable use (other than toy sales) for the "Scarif/shore troopers," "death troopers," "hovertank and/or AT-CT drivers," and revised ground crew we see in Rogue One
. The first of these types might as well be "scout troopers" (and they could have been repainted beige if one insisted on a sandy/beachy camouflage); the second is essentially an elite stormtrooper type that doesn't need a new design or color -- maybe they could have given them fancy badges or something; the third could easily have been a welcome and better look at the old "AT-AT drivers" which we barely catch a glimpse of in ESB
; the last (groundcrew) is a disappointing revision for the same reason, although here at least it serves a plot point (Jyn needed to hide her face with a closed helmet). Overall, no need for these new designs. They are about as useful as the Ming porcelain stormtrooper that Hot Toys offered some years ago. Again, just my opinion, and I do overthink it.
scalawag wrote:I'm very much an Original Trilogy guy, and I just love the original stormtrooper and would love to see more of them again as in Rogue One. ... I would much prefer to see stormtroopers and biker scouts with adapted equipment and added extras than whole new type (again like the Jedda patrol troopers from RO), especially in films which are set within a reasonable time frame either side of the OT. You can do what you like in the new trilogy as far as I am concerned as it is not even the Empire we are dealing with any more, invent away Disney just keep it Star Wars. ... For me it is largely an aesthetic thing too I think, I would rather look at the forms created for the OT than the new ones which seem to borrow heavily from the OT designs, but never really nail it for me. At the end of the day its each to his own.
I think we're largely on the same page. We love the Original Trilogy so much, we want to see more of it, and this type of unrealistic addition takes away from it or gets in the way of that feeling; it is arguably ok for the Prequel and Sequel Trilogies, but not for the world of the Original Trilogy itself. I am not sure in what way you meant to use the example of the Jeddha patrol troopers. They are essentially "sand troopers." Part of me wishes that they had stuck to the original design, although part of me realizes that by not doing that in this instance they were correcting what was essentially a wardrobe/continuity oversight in the original trilogy (where the "sand trooper" outfit was an unfinalized regular stormtrooper one). In a sense, here Rogue One
discarded an unnecessary variation, though one we are used to. I am fine with it either way, and my "sand troopers" are in fact the Jeddha version, although the only reasons I haven't picked up the "original sand troopers" instead/as well is my issue with the helmet proportions and brows.
Rogerbee wrote:To me, Hasbro 12" have, for the most part, been dire. These two are prime examples. Who wants an oversized 3 3/4" figure these days!? Even kids are more sophisticated now and we adults deserve better too. Someone must buy them though, otherwise they wouldn't keep making them.
Completely agree. Again, I only picked them up to see if they might be useful for customization. By the way, in this instance (patrol trooper), the helmet really is quite small (possibly a little too small), and the black detailing doesn't help visually (though it does look sorta cool). Are you familiar with an outfit called Gentle Giant? Apparently they make big (1/4 scale?) versions of the old 3.75" figures -- in that case they are banking on nostalgia, but I'm still not having any of that. I wouldn't buy even the more recent underarticulated Hasbro 3.75" figures unless it is for customization (their stormtrooper helmets were better than any we've seen before, so I did get enough to outfit two squads of my older better articulated stormtroopers with them -- unfortunately only one of the several stormtrooper figure releases allowed for an easy and efficient fit).