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406Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:25 pm

shovelchop81


skywalkersaga wrote:Shovelchop - yes, in this instance I'm referring to 'soft' pastels ... similar to chalk pastels, only with much stronger and higher quality colour pigments.

I've used oil pastels and they work ok for my needs, but I'm still always curious about other methods. Putting the soft pastels directly onto the body still leaves some residue, but someone has previously mentioned a method that grinds the soft pastel into dust and then mixes it with a bit of water and a drop of liquid dishsoap (so that it mixed better with the water). This gave a more 'watercolour'-ish result on the body. But Ovy has just said he's tried applying the powdered artist pigments themselves, not even soft pastels but the actual pigments. So I'm curious to know more about that method. : )

I see, sorry I haven't gone into too much depth reading this thread, I have oil pastels to hand so just looked for any info of dos and don'ts using those. Thanks for explaining it to lazy me! pirat

407Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:22 pm

skywalkersaga


shovelchop81 wrote:
skywalkersaga wrote:Shovelchop - yes, in this instance I'm referring to 'soft' pastels ... similar to chalk pastels, only with much stronger and higher quality colour pigments.

I've used oil pastels and they work ok for my needs, but I'm still always curious about other methods. Putting the soft pastels directly onto the body still leaves some residue, but someone has previously mentioned a method that grinds the soft pastel into dust and then mixes it with a bit of water and a drop of liquid dishsoap (so that it mixed better with the water). This gave a more 'watercolour'-ish result on the body. But Ovy has just said he's tried applying the powdered artist pigments themselves, not even soft pastels but the actual pigments. So I'm curious to know more about that method. : )

I see, sorry I haven't gone into too much depth reading this thread, I have oil pastels to hand so just looked for any info of dos and don'ts using those. Thanks for explaining it to lazy me! pirat

Don't worry at all, there's a lot of pages to sift through and it's easy to miss some of it. I have to constantly go back and reference this thread because people have done so many interesting experiments but I can't always remember all the materials used. It's a great resource! : )

408Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:08 pm

Ovy

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Ok, Vallejo pigment experiment.
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It's simple but also complex. It was just wild experimenting without a goal or empiric studies.
Started with an s29 I once experimentally colored with a pastel powder stick, extracted from pastel chalk. It was brown and split into reddish and very dark pigments. It had really dark stains on some areas. Wasn't too bad but I put the body away for some time.

I recently cleaned it with some outdoor body wash detergent. It was not completely cleaned but had an even color and all the dark stains gone. Don't know if all this is relevant to the adhesion quality of the pigment I added later.

Actually wanted to try the Make Up powder method, but I don't have this stuff (nudebynature)  and it's too (censored) expensive to just buy it to colour dolls.

So I used Vallejo Pigments on the cleaned body, might be similar I thought.
One can of Pigments is enough for a lifetime of weathering everything, so I could spare a bit. I did not use those regular artist pigments, because they were invented by the evil gods of darkness to torment artists and everyone living with them.

Just dabbed the finger in the pigment can and spread it evenly on the body. It's very fast.
Made it a bit wet, but don't use too much water. Also used window leather to rub it it.  If it is completely covered, a lot will come off though.

It didn't stain when trying tissue, but it lightly transferred color onto the leather.
I tried using Ethanol, it blended the color transitions very smooth. It evaporated fast, after that I cleaned it with water. Because the figure  smelled like an alcoholic. Didn't really lose color anymore. Baby Powder after drying, reduces staining a lot.

Oh and I tried oil paint too after all that, but didn't have the patience to let it cure/dry and washed it off again, didn't change much about the powder cover.

So.

Pro:
Nice natural looking blending and shading, alcohol helps with that

Easy mixing with other colors

Very fast

Probably completely removable again with the right detergent

Con:
Slightly transfers to some materials

Colour Covering is not that strong

Very dark colours probably not doable. I tried it with very dark pigment on another body, but most washed off. Good for tanning though.

And it's a bit messy, use safe environment

Tried on a broken white coverall, at the seems you can see slight brown traces.
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409Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:55 pm

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Interesting technique and results. It looks pretty good.


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410Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:19 pm

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I agree, interesting technique and promising results. Thanks for sharing. There is a possible benefit to this being (possibly) reversible. Technically, it may be possible to (largely) remove even oil pastel with enough determined washing with soap (and perhaps more effectively with other means). The RIT dye method is perhaps not reversible, but it seems to yield variable results. So this might be a viable alternative. How long has it been since you experimented, Ovy, and is there any fading to the color and (a different matter) any less transfer onto other materials? Interesting presentation, too; I would have censored a bit more on principle, but very artistic.


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411Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:37 am

Ovy

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Stryker2011 wrote:Interesting technique and results. It looks pretty good.
Thanks, it was worth a try at least.

GubernatorFan wrote:I agree, interesting technique and promising results. Thanks for sharing. There is a possible benefit to this being (possibly) reversible. Technically, it may be possible to (largely) remove even oil pastel with enough determined washing with soap (and perhaps more effectively with other means). The RIT dye method is perhaps not reversible, but it seems to yield variable results. So this might be a viable alternative. How long has it been since you experimented, Ovy, and is there any fading to the color and (a different matter) any less transfer onto other materials? Interesting presentation, too; I would have censored a bit more on principle, but very artistic.
Around a week. And I think the color tranfering mostly stopped one day, when enough pigment was wiped off probably. Pigments can still be manipulated a bit. As I say, not for the faint of heart who panic at the thought of slight color transfer.

And yeah I used random phone stickers, haha. The things I do for a family friendly forum full of peaceful imagery and themes.

Here the other figure with darker pigment. Used a head I printed too large to experiment, as this is the head intended for the figure.
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Tried coloring it with the same pigment, thought it could be a way for a more fitting colour, but it dries very differently and more like a stone statue. This is the figure before  powder treatment, with grainy pigments on it.
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Here treated with the powder.
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Next to the other figure.
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Overall the pigment did not stick good enough and the colour transfer was too frustrating. Didn't expect much from this method but now I know at least. But don't know if I could pull of the same look with pastell or oil pastels, sadly.

412Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:48 pm

GubernatorFan

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The things you do for us are appreciated, but I think you should employ even more of these random phone stickers, your choices being so cool and artistic. Wink
That said, the look is certainly stunning, but you're right, one would want something practical, that remains effective, without impeding articulation or causing too much transfer. I doubt you would be able to get this type of texture with oil pastel, but if you get lucky with your pastels or if you persevere with the color blending between them (which is difficult but not completely impossible), you will probably get something close to these colors. From using the oil pastels and cosmetic sponge method for years, I have the impression that the surface can take only so many layers, so when you try this with oil pastel, try to plan ahead on ideally just 2-3 layers (not counting any spot treatments that may be needed). Maybe first experiment elsewhere on what colors (if any) are required to blend a color you like. I'm often too impatient with such things, but that is not the way to go.


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413Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:22 pm

Ghost808


Quick question about gundam markers...

Are they blendable, to create colour variations, or are you stuck with the static colours available?
The stock colours available from gundam are quite limited, and not necessarily ideal for light, natural skin tones (I'm looking to paint nipples, freckles, blemishes on pale/suntan TBL bodies, so need some warm pinks/yellowish browns).

Sorry if this has been answered already, I don't get much time to study the threads in detail lately.

P.s. thank you for doing all these tests and putting this thread together. It's excellent.

414Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:30 pm

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Ghost808 wrote:Quick question about gundam markers...

Are they blendable, to create colour variations, or are you stuck with the static colours available?
The stock colours available from gundam are quite limited, and not necessarily ideal for light, natural skin tones (I'm looking to paint nipples, freckles, blemishes on pale/suntan TBL bodies, so need some warm pinks/yellowish browns).

Sorry if this has been answered already, I don't get much time to study the threads in detail lately.

P.s. thank you for doing all these tests and putting this thread together. It's excellent.

You are welcome -- for my part.
As for Gundam Real Touch Markers, the basic answer is no, they are not readily blendable, at least not in the normal sense of the word. Remember, this is also a fairly unusual material for coloring, so it is impressive enough they work at all. The member who pointed them out to me as a solution discussed possibilities of mixing them (presumably having removed the ink/paint from the marker first) with the help of Mr.Color Thinner -- I bought that but still haven't figured out how to even experiment with it. So, theoretically there is a workaround. Also, the two sets of Gundam Real Touch Markers include a "Shade Off Marker" which appears to be intended as a colorless blender, but I'm not sure how to use it in this instance. Perhaps there are some YouTube tutorials that would shed more light on the matter. Someone asked a question about it on Amazon, which was answered as follows: "The clear is used for blending. You can move around the ink from the other pens with it for, well blending, or weathering effects." Presumably that also requires "extracting the paint." The brown provided in Set 2 can be used for natural enough effects. A single light application (soaked up immediately with a cotton swab or paper towel) would give you a slightly lighter color than two or more applications (you should still soak up the excess liquid carefully and quickly). It may take some time (and additional careful soaking up/static massage with paper towels) until a body you have colored with the real touch markers becomes completely safe to handle (no transfer at all, no smudge at all). I just checked on my real touch-colored custom Darth Maul 3.0 before posting this answer, and he is in perfect condition, colors have not faded, and there is no transfer or smudging. Do remember that these markers don't appear to be a very successful solution for painting hard plastic (they can be rubbed off -- at the very least while relatively fresh, haven't checked since). Of course here we are talking about coloring extensive areas. More limited and specific application like nipples, moles, etc is probably going to give less issues and become stable quicker.

Set 1 includes: Gray 1, Gray 2, Blue 1, Red 1, Orange 1, and "Shade Off Marker" (also called "Grading Marker" or "Blurring Marker")
Set 2 includes: Gray 3, Brown 1, Green 1, Yellow, Pink 1, and "Shade Off Marker" (also called "Grading Marker" or "Blurring Marker")


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415Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:22 pm

Ghost808


GubernatorFan wrote:
Ghost808 wrote:Quick question about gundam markers...

Are they blendable, to create colour variations, or are you stuck with the static colours available?
The stock colours available from gundam are quite limited, and not necessarily ideal for light, natural skin tones (I'm looking to paint nipples, freckles, blemishes on pale/suntan TBL bodies, so need some warm pinks/yellowish browns).

Sorry if this has been answered already, I don't get much time to study the threads in detail lately.

P.s. thank you for doing all these tests and putting this thread together. It's excellent.

You are welcome -- for my part.
As for Gundam Real Touch Markers, the basic answer is no, they are not readily blendable, at least not in the normal sense of the word. Remember, this is also a fairly unusual material for coloring, so it is impressive enough they work at all. The member who pointed them out to me as a solution discussed possibilities of mixing them (presumably having removed the ink/paint from the marker first) with the help of Mr.Color Thinner -- I bought that but still haven't figured out how to even experiment with it. So, theoretically there is a workaround. Also, the two sets of Gundam Real Touch Markers include a "Shade Off Marker" which appears to be intended as a colorless blender, but I'm not sure how to use it in this instance. Perhaps there are some YouTube tutorials that would shed more light on the matter. Someone asked a question about it on Amazon, which was answered as follows: "The clear is used for blending. You can move around the ink from the other pens with it for, well blending, or weathering effects." Presumably that also requires "extracting the paint." The brown provided in Set 2 can be used for natural enough effects. A single light application (soaked up immediately with a cotton swab or paper towel) would give you a slightly lighter color than two or more applications (you should still soak up the excess liquid carefully and quickly). It may take some time (and additional careful soaking up/static massage with paper towels) until a body you have colored with the real touch markers becomes completely safe to handle (no transfer at all, no smudge at all). I just checked on my real touch-colored custom Darth Maul 3.0 before posting this answer, and he is in perfect condition, colors have not faded, and there is no transfer or smudging. Do remember that these markers don't appear to be a very successful solution for painting hard plastic (they can be rubbed off -- at the very least while relatively fresh, haven't checked since). Of course here we are talking about coloring extensive areas. More limited and specific application like nipples, moles, etc is probably going to give less issues and become stable quicker.

Set 1 includes: Gray 1, Gray 2, Blue 1, Red 1, Orange 1, and "Shade Off Marker" (also called "Grading Marker" or "Blurring Marker")
Set 2 includes: Gray 3, Brown 1, Green 1, Yellow, Pink 1, and "Shade Off Marker" (also called "Grading Marker" or "Blurring Marker")
Thanks for the detailed answer. I figured they might only provide a fairly static colour. 
Still, maybe with some playing around, I can get the results I'm after. I think I'll try them out. I'll also look more into this grading marker too.

Your maul custom is excellent BTW.

Thanks again.

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GubernatorFan

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Ghost808 wrote:Thanks for the detailed answer. I figured they might only provide a fairly static colour. 
Still, maybe with some playing around, I can get the results I'm after. I think I'll try them out. I'll also look more into this grading marker too.

Your maul custom is excellent BTW. Thanks again.

You are very welcome. (And thank you for the kind words.) I hope you find the experience successful and rewarding. I'm thinking that if you have the color you need, and if your application is suitably consistent, it might be even better than oil pastels. Keep in mind, it is harder (perhaps impossible) to undo. It is definitely superior to my other experiments when it comes to painting/drawing details on the body (oil pastels lack precision, other markers either smudge or ultimately potentially/partially crack). The fact these markers have to applicators, one bigger/wider and one smaller/thinner (under the bigger cap!) is also helpful, although there is still a limit as to how fine a detail you can make. If I were you, I would do some research and experiment elsewhere with the "grading"/"blurring"/"shade off" marker just in case they do provide an effective solution to the blending issue. When it comes to the bodies, you can always test with some small application on the top of the neck, near the neck post, which would always be covered up by the head sculpt -- that is what I did.


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417Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:19 am

Ghost808


I went with oil pastels in the end, and overall I'm pleased with the effect. So thanks all for your experiments and trial and error.

Sadly I'm not happy with my colour choices. As such, I need to ask another question...

Am I right in thinking gamsol is essentially just an odorless white spirit? And if so, can I use regular white spirit? I have a gallon of the regular stuff going spare, so would rather avoid paying out for a fancy artists spirit.
That being said, I also don't want to melt my figures!!

Anyone tried regular hardware store white spirit?

Thanks.

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GubernatorFan

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Ghost808 wrote:I went with oil pastels in the end, and overall I'm pleased with the effect. So thanks all for your experiments and trial and error.

Sadly I'm not happy with my colour choices. As such, I need to ask another question...

Am I right in thinking gamsol is essentially just an odorless white spirit? And if so, can I use regular white spirit? I have a gallon of the regular stuff going spare, so would rather avoid paying out for a fancy artists spirit.
That being said, I also don't want to melt my figures!!

Anyone tried regular hardware store white spirit?

Thanks.

If you are trying to get rid of the oil pastel coloring you applied, before you try any chemicals consider other options:

1. Would applying a different oil pastel color (or two) on top and trying to blend that in make a sufficient improvement toward your desired goal? Oil pastels do not blend very easily, but they do blend.
2. Depending on just how successfully you ensconced the oil pastel into the TPE surface, repeated washing with soap and water may eventually undo or partly undo (fade?) the coloring. It takes a lot of time and effort, and you want to keep it gentle.

After our exchange, I tried painting a body to match an African American head (been planning that for a while), using the Gundam real touch markers. The process was working, but the brown was too warm a color for the head I was trying to match, and it was not a head I wanted to repaint. So I gave up on that, and proceeded to color it with oil pastel. I thought Van Dyke brown would be a close match, but it was not -- it ended up being too dark on the body, even once I applied the protective powder (which created a slightly lighter and cooler effect). So I washed off the powder again, and without trying to remove the oil pastel coloring, applied a layer of olive brown oil pastel over it, and then rubbed it in thoroughly, just like I was coloring the body from scratch. The result was somewhere in-between the two colors, and a pretty good match.


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419Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:04 am

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GubernatorFan wrote:


If you are trying to get rid of the oil pastel coloring you applied, before you try any chemicals consider other options:

1. Would applying a different oil pastel color (or two) on top and trying to blend that in make a sufficient improvement toward your desired goal? Oil pastels do not blend very easily, but they do blend.
2. Depending on just how successfully you ensconced the oil pastel into the TPE surface, repeated washing with soap and water may eventually undo or partly undo (fade?) the coloring. It takes a lot of time and effort, and you want to keep it gentle.

After our exchange, I tried painting a body to match an African American head (been planning that for a while), using the Gundam real touch markers. The process was working, but the brown was too warm a color for the head I was trying to match, and it was not a head I wanted to repaint. So I gave up on that, and proceeded to color it with oil pastel. I thought Van Dyke brown would be a close match, but it was not -- it ended up being too dark on the body, even once I applied the protective powder (which created a slightly lighter and cooler effect). So I washed off the powder again, and without trying to remove the oil pastel coloring, applied a layer of olive brown oil pastel over it, and then rubbed it in thoroughly, just like I was coloring the body from scratch. The result was somewhere in-between the two colors, and a pretty good match.
Hi Gub,

Thanks. I have had some good results with blending, but as you say, it's not the easiest. It requires a lot of time and care.

Sadly I overdid the blending, and ended up with too dark a colour. I also had a bit of colour bleed around the nipple (which I think is actually where I spread the colour around too much in the wiping off process. 
I used your hole punch template technique, which is great, but I think I need to go slightly smaller next time.

Another reason I want to strip some of the colour off, is that I had some oil pastel residue on my left hand when I picked up the figure, and innadvertently smeared a small strip of rosewood over the figures butt! DOH! Lesson learned.

I've given it a soapy, vigorous, but careful wash. Sadly it seems I did too good a job at working the pastel in.

The annoying thing is, I have a broken old S09 that I test everything on. Painting on that went PERFECTLY! Soon as I move onto my good quality figures....oops! Oh well😄

I might test basic white spirit on my old figure, and see how it goes. I'll update with my results.

P.s. I'd love to see your results with the African American recolour.

420Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:27 am

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Ghost808 wrote:Hi Gub,

Thanks. I have had some good results with blending, but as you say, it's not the easiest. It requires a lot of time and care.

Sadly I overdid the blending, and ended up with too dark a colour. I also had a bit of colour bleed around the nipple (which I think is actually where I spread the colour around too much in the wiping off process. 
I used your hole punch template technique, which is great, but I think I need to go slightly smaller next time.

Another reason I want to strip some of the colour off, is that I had some oil pastel residue on my left hand when I picked up the figure, and innadvertently smeared a small strip of rosewood over the figures butt! DOH! Lesson learned.

I've given it a soapy, vigorous, but careful wash. Sadly it seems I did too good a job at working the pastel in.

The annoying thing is, I have a broken old S09 that I test everything on. Painting on that went PERFECTLY! Soon as I move onto my good quality figures....oops! Oh well😄

I might test basic white spirit on my old figure, and see how it goes. I'll update with my results.

P.s. I'd love to see your results with the African American recolour.

Sorry to hear it is not working. Again, I would not recommend using chemicals, but maybe I'm just being overly cautious. I have some vague notion that it might be ok to use odorless spirits or something like that. Check out this thread, it might have something about this somewhere in it (in a hurry right now, haven't searched) --
https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t215-staining-and-cleaning-continuously-updated

I would still go on with multiple washing; when I say be gentle, I just mean don't use anything really abrasive to scrub; also, don't use extremely hot/boiling water.

Also, the solution might be just applying another layer of pastel and blending that in, rather than trying to remove the underlayer. What, if I may ask, are you trying to achieve? As for the nipples, yes, save that for last, and be careful that any darker pastel color does not get anywhere it is not supposed to. Wipe the "stencils" between each use.


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421Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:43 am

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Sorry to hear it is not working. Again, I would not recommend using chemicals, but maybe I'm just being overly cautious. I have some vague notion that it might be ok to use odorless spirits or something like that. Check out this thread, it might have something about this somewhere in it (in a hurry right now, haven't searched) --
https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t215-staining-and-cleaning-continuously-updated.
Thanks for the link. I'll check that out.

On this occasion, due to the accidental smudging and the halo of colour around the areola, which weren't budging with soap and vigorous rubbing. I decided to try out white spirit.
I used a basic low odour hardware store brand I already had.

I applied a very tiny amount via cotton bud/Q-tip. The spirit immediately and effortlessly lifted the colour off, without any pressure or rubbing. I then immediately washed the body thoroughly with soap to reduce the risk of the spirit drying the body out.

Upon reapplying the pastel, I found that running a tiny bit of spirit around the painted area, removed any accidental slips, while also creating a nice softening, blended effect at the edges. 
I then soap and water washed it, to remove all the excess pastel. The effect in the end, was pretty great. Very faded and natural. 
The colour still isn't 100% what I want, but as you suggest, I'll try layering up colour for a better blend, but I ran out of time yesterday.

Eventually, I hope to add muscle definition, blemishes, skin variations, veins, etc. 
I think pastels might be too blunt a tool for finer blemishes, but I might yet try the Gundam pens for that.
I don't currently have any need for a full body recolour, as I'm lucky enough to only have pale/suntan heads, but if I see a non standard head I like, I'll definitely not hesitate to try it now.

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I'm glad it worked. I imagine this method -- washing as soon as the spirits application has worked -- is relatively safe. The Gundam real touch markers have both a larger and a smaller, finer tip. For something really tiny, you can probably use a pin tip as an applicator. Adding definition to muscles, etc, is probably a good place for partial blending (to avoid too stark a contrast, and yet have some).


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423Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:38 pm

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GubernatorFan wrote:Update on painting silicone seamless bodies (Phicen/TBLeague) with oil-based ink

As explained above (see Post 174), oil-based ink like that in the Pilot Drawing Pens (see Post 162 above) did not prove a permanent solution when applied directly onto the silicone seamless body. That solution appears to be provided by Uni Pin Fine Line fineliner drawing pens with water and fade proof pigment ink (see Post 192 above). However, when I experimented with this last option (Uni Pin Fine Line fineliner drawing pen) on a silicone seamless body that was painted with oil pastel, it failed. So I decided to give the oil-based ink another try for this specific condition, figuring that oil ought to work on oil. Preliminary testing was very promising so I proceeded with it for my custom Darth Maul (see Parts I and II HERE). Also see The Further Adventures of Darth Maul, HERE.

Having first painted the body the base color (I looked it up, Maul's is supposed to be red), I applied the patterns of the "tattoos" (I think rather "war paint") with different tip-size (005 to 08) Pilot Drawing Pens with black oil-based ink (and, for some larger areas, black oil pastel, although that came out exceedingly dull and I partly went over it with oil-based ink). So far so good.

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You want to give the ink a chance to dry, after which touching it is no problem. I knew that protecting powder ought to help (building up a thin layer between the surface and anything else), but I held off on using it, lest it dull the colors for the initial photo shoot. It was not the smartest decision (as expected), because repeated handling to pose and move the figure, however careful, led to some dulling and very slight smudging in some places. The worst problem was where areas of the surface come together (like the inside fold at the biceps or at the knee, or at the armpit and down the inside of the biceps), which allow the oil-based ink (even at a couple of days old) to transfer (stain) the clean surface. Take this into account and either coat the figure in protective powder before handling or test for staining in such places and incorporate the "problem area" into the pattern ("if you can't beat them, join them"). Now that I have coated the figure in protective powder, it seems to be doing its job, but I'm going to be handling it very rarely and very carefully.

The moral of the story is that you can draw designs on silicone seamless bodies that are painted over with oil pastel, using Pilot Drawing Pens with oil-based ink, but you need to apply protective powder after this and probably exercise great care in handling. For drawing designs on silicone seamless bodies that are not painted with oil pastels, I would stick to Uni Pin Fine Line fineliner drawing pens with water and fade proof pigment ink. Still, proceed at your own risk and apply extra protective powder (although, if you get some of the oil-based ink onto a silicone surface where you don't want it, you can wash it off with soap and water).

Update: A few weeks later, and the oil-based ink transfer issue is still a problem. While I'm experimenting to find a better solution for the painting onto oil-pastel-colored silicone bodies, one thing that has contained the problem is a vigorous but careful rubdown (or massage) of the surface with paper towels. Make sure to not move the paper towel (once used) over another area to avoid retransfer or smudging during the process. Keep going over the problem areas with fresh paper towels until you see no transfer. Theoretically, this might be the solution to the issue. But it does mean your design would look a little duller or slightly faded.


That there is the reason I even hunted up this site like-- four years ago now?  I think?  And bookmarked it.  I wanted to know if anyone could conceivably do Maul's colors and markings on a seamless, largely because I totally want to do one, and there you went and pulled it off.  Fantastic work, really; thanks for pioneering it, in case I ever have the time to make use of the damn Phicen I bought years ago hoping to make an attempt.  You probably saved me a hell of a lot of time and money.

(Also, amusingly, I am likely one of those people whose fanart you ran across.  Though I don't see him as a sex symbol, I totally ship him with his arch-nemesis and have drawn such things accordingly. Very Happy )

Anyway, sorry for bringing this back around, but I wanted to give you a big thumbs up even if it's late!

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OwnsBeagles wrote:That there is the reason I even hunted up this site like-- four years ago now?  I think?  And bookmarked it.  I wanted to know if anyone could conceivably do Maul's colors and markings on a seamless, largely because I totally want to do one, and there you went and pulled it off.  Fantastic work, really; thanks for pioneering it, in case I ever have the time to make use of the damn Phicen I bought years ago hoping to make an attempt.  You probably saved me a hell of a lot of time and money.

(Also, amusingly, I am likely one of those people whose fanart you ran across.  Though I don't see him as a sex symbol, I totally ship him with his arch-nemesis and have drawn such things accordingly. Very Happy )

Anyway, sorry for bringing this back around, but I wanted to give you a big thumbs up even if it's late!

Thank you very much for the kind words. I'm delighted this is helpful. When it comes to you giving it a try, please read carefully the various posts here, and maybe the linked custom Maul thread. Just so there aren't any surprises or disappointments. As far as the ink/marker is concerned, I think my latest experiment, with Gundam real touch paint markers might be best (used on Maul 3.0), although with enough handling even they seem to sill transfer just a little bit. The others are just not as hard-wearing. I have yet to experiment on using the Gundam real touch markers on top of oil-pastel-colored background -- to any considerable degree. I wonder if that would be (a) practical and (b) possibly even better than Gundam on Gundam. I would be interested to see what you come up with, so don't be shy (but do keep in mind Forum policies). Smile


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425Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:26 am

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GubernatorFan wrote:Thank you very much for the kind words. I'm delighted this is helpful. When it comes to you giving it a try, please read carefully the various posts here, and maybe the linked custom Maul thread. Just so there aren't any surprises or disappointments. As far as the ink/marker is concerned, I think my latest experiment, with Gundam real touch paint markers might be best (used on Maul 3.0), although with enough handling even they seem to sill transfer just a little bit. The others are just not as hard-wearing. I have yet to experiment on using the Gundam real touch markers on top of oil-pastel-colored background -- to any considerable degree. I wonder if that would be (a) practical and (b) possibly even better than Gundam on Gundam. I would be interested to see what you come up with, so don't be shy (but do keep in mind Forum policies). Smile

If I get the time, I totally would. LOL! (I work full time in a physically demanding job, so time becomes more and more precious the older I get.) I do plan on re-reading even more in-depth. Heck of an exercise, really. As to forum policies, I am an old hat on many and can censor with the best of 'em.

Anyway, again, terrific work and I'll be sure to check out the other threads, too!

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OwnsBeagles wrote:If I get the time, I totally would. LOL!  (I work full time in a physically demanding job, so time becomes more and more precious the older I get.)  I do plan on re-reading even more in-depth.  Heck of an exercise, really.  As to forum policies, I am an old hat on many and can censor with the best of 'em.

Anyway, again, terrific work and I'll be sure to check out the other threads, too!

Thanks again. I get it about the time... a precious commodity that one can never get back. No pressure.


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427Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:08 pm

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I have a quick question for gooboo .... regarding the oil painting method, if one already has a body coloured in oil pastels, can you paint the oil paint on top of it? I am having a bit of a struggle with a particular body in getting coverage, and I thought maybe I could just use the oil paint in a very fine layer on top of the oil pastel to sort of touch it up so the skin doesn't show through. But I'm not sure if that would work in the way I envisage....


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I haven't tried it, but I don't see why not. The only problem might be that the oil might wipe away some of the pigment next to the area you're trying to color in.

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skywalkersaga

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Ok, thanks, gooboo! I'll experiment on an area that will be covered up, first, just in case. : )


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tony72

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What would be the best way of going about lightening a figure?

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tony72 wrote:What would be the best way of going about lightening a figure?

In principle, it seems easier to darken than to lighten a seamless body's skin tone. Some of the approaches outlined above would not work at all, others would look like you've spread body paint or powder over a darker body. The most promising solution seems to me to be oil pastel. See Parts I and II in this thread, for example:

https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t4922-yet-another-tbleague-body-pale-repaint-experiment-updated-with-part-ii-2-0


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I believe gooboo says he had success with painting a tbleague body white using oil paint. Don't know how that would work with fleshtones though. Based on my own recent experiements with oil paint, I found that you really can only do one single layer, so any colours would need to be pre-mixed before applying.


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tony72

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yeah, plus i figure oil paint is a real pain in the ass and dries much more slowly compared to oil pastel. does the pastel have any color transfer or does it stick well enough?

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tony72 wrote:yeah, plus i figure oil paint is a real pain in the ass and dries much more slowly compared to oil pastel. does the pastel have any color transfer or does it stick well enough?

Read through this thread for all the details -- it has been a learning experience over time. But the short of it is that, if you have the patience and thoroughness to rub in the oil pastel well enough, and to gently wash off any excess after each application, then apply protective powder, there should be none to negligible transference. Patience is not one of my many virtues, but even I seem to have done a decent job of it, and have only occasionally seen a little bit of transference from the bodies that I gave an African skin tone to the most tightly fitting parts of elastic white sport shorts, etc, but it is not very pronounced and only on the inside of the garment. Still, read carefully through all the relevant posts in this thread for various details and caveats.


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tony72

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thank you! i have gone through this thread a few times and evaluated all the different methods, but wanted to know if the oil pastels held up well over time. i'd like to try a base lightening coat with oil pastels and then tbrisko's pastel wash method to bring out some more realistic skin tones, veins, stippling/freckles, etc. i purchased an M31 and not only is the skin tone darker than i expected, it's also duller. hoping this method works

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tony72 wrote:thank you! i have gone through this thread a few times and evaluated all the different methods, but wanted to know if the oil pastels held up well over time. i'd like to try a base lightening coat with oil pastels and then tbrisko's pastel wash method to bring out some more realistic skin tones, veins, stippling/freckles, etc. i purchased an M31 and not only is the skin tone darker than i expected, it's also duller. hoping this method works

Good luck, I hope it works well, and that you share your results with us. In my experience M31 is their poorest body, but perhaps at least the quality has improved since then (I got mine when they were first released); it is, however, the easiest one to dress, and quite handy that way. While all of the TBLeague male bodies have been "suntan" (except for M36B which is darker), that "suntan" has varied from the more grey M30 to the warmer colors used since; M31 might be a bit on the darker side compared to M32, M33, M34, M35, and M36A. I cannot advise on pastel wash, as I have not attempted it myself.


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EvilErnie

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Wasn't sure where to ask this and didn't want to make an entirely new topic for it, but does anyone know what the hands/feet/most reads are made of? Was hoping to mold mine so I can sculpt some myself. I was going to spray acrylic lacquer over everything before molding (I usually do this just in case when using platinum-cure silicones anyway) but I want to make sure I can remove that from the hands after and not damage it with acetone if I use that for removal

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Depending on what brand body you buy, many of them are hard plastic (not sure exactly what kind). Some have used a softer plastic, which is nice because it makes the fingers more pliable, but then you have to worry that they may not be able to hold objects for long, or the fingers warp over time. Hard plastic would be the way to go, as you can heat them up to make them more pliable when needed.


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EvilErnie

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Stryker2011 wrote:Depending on what brand body you buy, many of them are hard plastic (not sure exactly what kind). Some have used a softer plastic, which is nice because it makes the fingers more pliable, but then you have to worry that they may not be able to hold objects for long, or the fingers warp over time. Hard plastic would be the way to go, as you can heat them up to make them more pliable when needed.

It's the hands that came with the phicen M35 so I'd say they're pretty soft? Just wanna make sure acetone wouldn't melt them or anything like that lol I'm afraid to do a spot test

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Ah, yeah, I can see where that may be a concern. Have you tried something like Vaseline smeared on the inside of the mold? You may have no alternative but to test the acetone and see what happens, however.


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EvilErnie

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Stryker2011 wrote:Ah, yeah, I can see where that may be a concern. Have you tried something like Vaseline smeared on the inside of the mold? You may have no alternative but to test the acetone and see what happens, however.
I have a spray mold release I was going to use over the lacquer. The lacquer is just to make a covering over the items just in case one of them contains one of the many chemicals that can inhibit platinum silicone from curing lol

I did end up doing a small test on a foot and it looks like it just took the paint off--which I expected bc the whole reason I have acetone currently was to take the faces off of dolls lol
Guess we'll see tomorrow if it ate a hole in it or something (though i doubt it will at this point)

442Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 10 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:02 pm

gooboo


If you're worried about cure inhibition, you don't need to spray a sealant over the hands or feet when using platinum silicone- I had the same concerns myself and tested it and they caused no cure inhibition.

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skywalkersaga

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I personally wouldn't use acetone on the plastic hands, I learned the hard way that it can eat away at it pretty quickly.... :/


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