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Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW)

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1Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:48 am

gooboo


I saw on someone's instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bop2Jz2BT8P/?hl=en) that you can dye Phicen bodies using Rit Synthetic Dye, so I thought I would give it a try and document all my results here in this thread. The figures have all been powdered down in the following photos, so any white stuff you see lingering around it the cornstarch powder and not a result of the dye.

I used a tall 16 qt stainless steel pot and nearly filled it all the way up with water. I heated the water up to near boiling- I could see vapor coming off the top of the water, but it wasn't bubbling. At first I poured about 5 bottle cap-fulls of dye into the water. I would dunk the entire body into the pot and leave it there for about 30 seconds, then take it out for a bit, and then put the body back in.

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Pot110

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Dye110

You have to use Rit Synthetic Dye on the Phicen bodies, the regular dye won't work.


For the first attempt I used a S12 body. It already had some tears and scuffs on it prior to dyeing, so I decided to try this process out on that body first. I dunked it in and out of the pot a bunch of times and eventually got something that looked like this-

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Bodies10

This is the darker S12 body next to a 23b. Both bodies are "wheat" skinned, so you can see how the dye darkened the body compared to what it looked like before dyeing.

You can even dye the plastic hands and feet too, although the dye doesn't color the plastic the same way it does the body so the hands won't match up. It's probably better just to paint the hands yourself than dye them.

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Hands110

As you can see even though they're dyed they don't match the body, so I'll have to paint them regardless.

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) S12_1110

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) S12_2110

I've read about some of the other methods of dyeing the bodies, like with oil pastels, but never saw anything about it on here. I think this method, when it works, results in a very even coat throughout the body, like in this picture here-

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) S12_3110

There's a little bit of speckling on the body, but I actually like it since I think it looks more realistic this way-

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) S12_4110

I could have kept dyeing the body more, but I decided to stop here and begin dyeing my s28, which is what I really wanted to do. Unfortunately I got a bit impatient and I think I screwed it up...

For the s28 attempt I decided to add more dye to the pot to speed things up. I went from about 5 bottle caps of dye to around 15 or so, in the hopes that it would dye more quickly. In retrospect I wonder if this caused some of the problems we will see here.

Here's the s28 (a pale body, not a wheat one) next to another unmodified s28-

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Bodies11

Things did not go well with this body, and I'm not totally sure why. I think to start with I didn't clean the body enough before hand. I should have scrubbed the body with soap and water more, and also cleaned off excess dye from my own hands/fingers before beginning. This figure ended up with splotchy and streaky parts, completely unlike the s12. Re-using the same water might have been a problem as well. I'm wondering however if the biggest issue is me going from 5 caps to 15 caps of dye. Perhaps the process works better when you darken the figure slowly with many layers, rather than fewer but more potent dips. If someone else has tried this before I'd like to know.

Here are some more pictures of the s28-

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) S28_3110

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) S28_510

You can see the dye did not go as evenly on this figure as it did with the s12. Here are some close ups of splotchy spots-

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) S28_4110

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) S28_610

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) S28_7110

You can see there's a fair amount of unevenness above the breasts. There's also some dark spots on the buttocks and elbow, although these are probably my fault since I lost my grip on the doll and it fell onto its back at the bottom of the pot, with the silicone touching the hot metal. Normally I had the figure only touching the pot on its two metal foot pegs, and nowhere else. The inside of the thighs turned out splotchy as well, and I'm not sure why.

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) S28_9110

Tan lines under the breasts as well, although there's probably nothing that I can do about this. I think if you're going to dye the body a dark brown color, it might be better off to start with a "wheat" body than a pale one, so these little cracks and lines don't appear as obvious.

I decided to stop dyeing the figure once it became clear to me these splotches weren't going away with additional dips in the pot. I really wanted the s28 to work, since dyeing that body was the ultimate goal here. I'm going to order a new s29 instead and see if the wheat-color responds better, and make sure it's very clean before beginning and go more slowly building up many layers instead of adding lots of dye in the beginning. I'll keep and eye on the s28 and see if the splotches even out over time, as I've had stains magically disappear on their own with these bodies.

As far as I can tell the dyeing here is permanent. Neither body lost any color when I scrubbed it down with soap and water, and it didn't seem to bleed or smear onto any fabrics that I used. Rit Dye also says it's permanent on fabrics, so maybe it will be here as well. Obviously I won't be able to tell how things last over a long period of time just yet, but this technique looks very promising. If I can get more figures to dye like the first one rather than the second, there won't be any need to wait for Phicen to come out with a dark skinned figure. I just need to learn how to paint head sculpts to match the body...

2Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:22 am

AerynDiana

AerynDiana
This is great, thank you very much! I actually have the Rit dye already and purchased the same color as well as red and yellow so that I’d be able to match it to specific head sculpts.
Speaking of: could you show us how it matches with head sculpts you were intending to use with this body? I’m especially wondering about the Black Widow, which is always too dark for phicen bodies, but I’m guessing these are already too dark and you’re going for something else.

I’m especially interested in estimating whether this chocolate brown, with fewer applications maybe, would need some yellow or red to match the BW tan.

3Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:56 am

skywalkersaga

skywalkersaga
Thank you for literally taking the plunge and trying this out and sharing your results here! Smile I think it worked really well on the s12d as you said. It probably does indeed help to start with a suntan for darker skintones. The areas where the dye did not reach are not necessarily an issue for people who want to make a clothed figure, so it doesn't seem to be a deal-breaker for the process overall. It's great also that there isn't any colour transfer. Sorry that your s28a didn't work, but 'losing' a few tbleague bodies is unfortunately often part of the experimenting process. 

Speaking of which, you mentioned that you hadn't seen anything about oil pastels on this forum. Well, here is a thread entirely about that method from the tutorials section: 

https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t260-painting-seamless-bodies

Obviously, it may not be useful to you now if you prefer to go with the dyeing process. But I have personally found it very helpful since I don't have the facilities for dyeing my figures, nor am I willing to risk the messiness of it in my rental property. Not to mention I actually rather enjoy colouring them by hand with the pastel method, as it gives me a bit more control over the colour [not much, but a bit, lol]. I think both methods could even potentially be used together, if one wanted to darken the body first with dye, and then tint it further with a pastel colour. I'm wondering if you could even potentially salvage your s28a by doing that? ETA: Thinking about it further, I'm curious if the areas on the body where it darkened into 'streaks' are actually following the swirls in the silicone material as it settled into the mold? And somehow the dye sort of highlighted that? 

ETA: As far as I'm aware, several users have now utilized the oil pastel method successfully -- Ephiane is the one who brought it to our attention and has been perfecting the process for years. She tends to use it for her fantasy characters. GubernatorFan has done several experiements with it, usually going for more realistic human skintone colours. AlkelAstra has also used it on some of his bodies ... see his tall blue guy for a great example. There's an amazing example of the artistic potential oil pastels on Ovy's 'Fyyit and Hyufiht' thread. I myself have likewise been trying it out on some of my WIPs in recent months, and since I'm mainly trying to create SW aliens, it has been working fairly well for that. 

That being said, while the oil pastel method works brilliantly for certain types of 'looks', it does still give a sort of  more organic 'painted' or 'stained' appearance. If one is hoping for as even coverage as possible, and in fairly realistic skintones, it does seem like the dyeing method would be the way to go.


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4Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:04 am

Stryker2011

Stryker2011
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Oh man! This is going to be the new brilliant option — assuming it holds up. Thanks for all the process photos. To what extent did you pose the first body when you dunked it in the pot?

This should be in the Tutorials section, but I’ll let it sit here for the views, and move it after the traffic has died down a bit.

Thanks for taking the chance — now I’m not so concerned about having the HT Endor Leia head on a smaller body for the custom/kitbash Slave version I plan to make. And now I wish someone (YMToys, GAC, Super Duck, etc.) would start making head sculpts of women of color — there are plenty of “pretty” (since that’s all these companies seem to make) women out there. The difficulty with painting pre-existing heads darker is they’ll look like white girls with serious tans — and since the Shuri head has that chin piece sculpted to it, that sculpt is unusable without serious modification. Dammit! Why’d you show this! Now I’m going to want to get commissions made! This is all your fault, gooboo! Wink


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5Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:30 am

skywalkersaga

skywalkersaga
I'm super excited for your future Slave Leia, Stryker! I don't see myself doing one at this point, so I'm living vicariously through yours, lol.  

Also agree with you on the Shuri head -- I love it and think it's really cute, and even wanted to use it for a custom myself, but the fact that it has so many specific elements and features makes that a bit prohibitive. 

With a bit of searching you may be able to find suitable heads that could be used with just a bit of a repaint. Or, as you say, just get some commissions made. Razz


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6Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:59 am

GubernatorFan

GubernatorFan
Founding Father
Thank you for the detailed write up and illustration of the process of dyeing the silicone body with the synthetic dye, which is better than what I have encountered before. Judging from the photos, even the less satisfactory result with the S28 is not too bad, but I suppose there are lessons to be learned -- fresh water, 5 capfulls of dye, better-cleaned body, more spread out position -- although I am not sure which of these were really critical, and which coincidental. One thing I recall from earlier discussions is that the dye smells horribly during the dyeing process -- was that the case in your experience?
I still feel more comfortable sticking to oil pastel myself, but experimenting with this is now a more proximate possibility thanks to you.


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7Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:01 am

gooboo


The dye has a peculiar scent, but I wouldn't describe it as being horrible or overwhelming. It certainly didn't stink up my little kitchen.

As for the future headsculpts, I don't have any headsculpts that match with the body at all, currently. My plan is to repaint one in a darker tone to match whatever the color of a successful s28/s29 is.

8Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:05 am

GubernatorFan

GubernatorFan
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Thanks for the info on the smell.
The only "darker"-colored head sculpts I know of (from sets) are Michonne, Shuri, and two of Halle Berry (one not that dark at all, the other somewhat dark, as Storm). I did remove the chin piece of Shuri (as best I could), and repainted the head (partly, to obscure the damage and the light spots), but it remains far from perfect. Even if (when) more such sculpts become available, color-matching would be a major hurdle. There are a couple of custom ones we've seen on eBay, though the quality is not quite as high as one might want.


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9Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:11 am

skywalkersaga

skywalkersaga
Yeah, imo, the only way to get an exact a match as possible between headsculpts and tbleague bodies that have been coloured in some way -- either by oil pastels or via this dyeing method -- is to repaint the headsculpt to match the body. I've tried doing it the other way around, and it is simply too difficult to try to match a body via colouring to an existing sculpt. Perhaps other people can accomplish this, but success in that area has remained out of my reach. Razz It's frustrating since I have an existing sculpt I'd like to use for a SW alien character, but in the end I feel it will simply be less hassle to either repaint the entire thing, or to create a new one from scratch and paint it to match the body from the start. It's just too hard to fully control how the colour you are using will dye or stain the body, and there's only so much one can do to influence that...regardless of the method.


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10Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:30 pm

Ovy

Ovy
Great pioneer work, as always the sacrifices made in the name of science won't be forgotten.

And the light spots can be covered/shaded with the pastel trick.

11Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:08 pm

gooboo


Some updates after 24 hours. It looks like some of the splotchy areas have faded away or evened out with the rest of the figure. There's still some spots on the figure that don't look quite right, but I wonder if most of the uneven areas on the figure will fade away in a week or so.

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) S28_1010
Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) S28_1110

Maybe this figure won't be a total loss after all.

12Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:20 pm

GubernatorFan

GubernatorFan
Founding Father
I don't think it was a total loss to begin with. I'm glad it's improving.


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13Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:40 pm

skywalkersaga

skywalkersaga
It certainly doesn't seem too bad at all to my eyes! To me it looks perfectly salvageable! Smile 

Curious to know if the overall dye fades at all over a period of time?


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14Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:03 am

AerynDiana

AerynDiana
Even better! Didn't think it was that bad to begin with. I also like bodies with imperfections. Adds character.

Aside from the differences fading out, do you find that the final skintone you're seeing now is a match to the skin tone you saw when taking her out of the bath?

I can't wait to try this at home. Thank you for taking the plunge! Very Happy

15Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:10 am

gooboo


I forgot to take a picture of the figure under consistent environmental lighting after taking it out of the pot. It's hard for me to tell just from the pictures I've posted whether it's gotten lighter or darker overall because the lighting isn't exactly the same- I don't have a professional studio set up for photography. That said I did take one this morning under a very simple lighting set up, and I'll probably do that every morning for a week or so and see what happens with the skin tone.

16Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:15 pm

skywalkersaga

skywalkersaga
Thanks, gooboo, appreciate you keeping us updated on the results. : )


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17Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:58 am

blackpool

blackpool
AAAaaaaaaaaaah thanks a lot for sharing that technique, I had seen it once on instagram, that's how Jacob Rahmier actually dyes phicen bodies to replace the hot toys Hell Boy on his custom figures, but he didn't share any tutorial that I know about and didn't answer any question about the dying temperature or the rit dye reference...

Awesome input!

18Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:14 am

Stryker2011

Stryker2011
Founding Father
blackpool wrote:AAAaaaaaaaaaah thanks a lot for sharing that technique, I had seen it once on instagram, that's how Jacob Rahmier actually dyes phicen bodies to replace the hot toys Hell Boy on his custom figures, but he didn't share any tutorial that I know about and didn't answer any question about the dying temperature or the rit dye reference...

Awesome input!

You can sell more customs for more $$$ if you don’t reveal simple secrets.


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Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Bnp4ba10
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19Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:44 am

skywalkersaga

skywalkersaga
Stryker2011 wrote:
blackpool wrote:AAAaaaaaaaaaah thanks a lot for sharing that technique, I had seen it once on instagram, that's how Jacob Rahmier actually dyes phicen bodies to replace the hot toys Hell Boy on his custom figures, but he didn't share any tutorial that I know about and didn't answer any question about the dying temperature or the rit dye reference...

Awesome input!

You can sell more customs for more $$$ if you don’t reveal simple secrets.

This is so true. And this is why I love this forum. There are people out there trying to pull the wool [literally] over your eyes and charge you hundreds of $$$ for rooting a headsculpt with lamb hair, for instance. While I am ok with charging a fee for that service as it is indeed time-consuming and takes skill to make it look nice, some of the customizers out there take advantage of people's relative ignorance and ask what are, imo, ridiculous amounts for it. 

In this instance, being able to effectively colour tbleague bodies is such a helpful option for many in the hobby, so I greatly appreciate the fact that people here want to learn DIY methods and are willing to share the results of their experiments.


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20Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:22 pm

Stryker2011

Stryker2011
Founding Father
Moved it here so it doesn’t get lost in the General Section.


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Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Bnp4ba10
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21Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:50 pm

gooboo


Took some more pictures tonight. Again it's really hard for me to tell just how much the skin has lightened due to inconsistent lighting circumstances, but looking at these two pictures I think you can see some lightening of the skin. I don't think the dye is impermanent in the sense that it rubs off, but rather it seems to disperse somewhat throughout the rest of the silicone body. You can clearly see how much more evenly colored the body is in the second picture compared to the first.

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Compar11

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Compar10

On a bright note, now the body almost perfectly matches this Gal Gadot head I had that previously didn't look quite right on anything. Hopefully the body doesn't lighten much more. I've taken photographs of the body for the past three mornings and I can't really see that it's lightened much at all, but we'll see how things are at the end of the month.

I have a new s29 coming hopefully on Friday, and this time I'll photograph it immediately after dying and the next few days to see just how much, if at all, it lightens.

22Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:25 am

GubernatorFan

GubernatorFan
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Well, they both look lighter in one of the photos, so some of this has to do with lighting. Either way, I still think it looks great.


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23Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:59 am

AerynDiana

AerynDiana
She looks amazing!!! Thank you for tracking the results so wonderfully!

24Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:20 am

Stryker2011

Stryker2011
Founding Father
This is fascinating to watch. It now looks like the early Phicen Suntan bodies. Keeping my fingers crossed that it doesn’t lighten anymore — I wonder how many dips in the dye bath you need to do to get the dye to disperse enough to get a nice chocolate brown skin tone — like in your first pic.


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25Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:23 am

skywalkersaga

skywalkersaga
Yeah, the dye 'fading' over a period of time is something that I was curious about simply because we know very well that sometimes tbleague bodies absorb stains after a while. So it's definitely something to bear in mind. Though I do wonder if dyeing it multiple times might make it go even darker. Or, perhaps if one starts with a suntan to begin with, which is what gooboo is planning to do with the next one, it might not fade *as* much.


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26Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:00 pm

gooboo


Got my new s29 in the mail today. Decided to take a comparison picture of an unmodified s28, dyed s28, and new s29 together in natural sunlight. The body now looks more like a tanned body instead of a dark-skinned person. I think it's a more realistic looking tan than the "wheat" figures Phicen makes, which I always thought looked a little ashen or corpse-like to me.

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Compar12


It would seem that if you want to dye your body a really dark brown color, it's going to require more than one dyeing session. I'll probably dye the new s29 sometime tomorrow when I have natural sunlight to take pictures with. I'll take a photo right after dyeing, then photograph it each day to see how much it lightens.

27Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:42 pm

skywalkersaga

skywalkersaga
Oh wow, it did lighten quite a bit! Seems like it definitely changed the skintone but the silicone has absorbed enough that it isn't as dark/saturated.


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28Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:13 pm

Stryker2011

Stryker2011
Founding Father
Thanks for continuing to do this.


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29Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:00 pm

gooboo


Finished dyeing the new body today. Filled up the pot with water, put in 5 caps of dye, although I increased it to about 9 caps of dye halfway through because my arms were getting tired and I wanted to hurry things up a bit. I also put a teaspoon of dish detergent/soap into the mix, which was recommended on the Rit bottle. I'm not sure if this made any difference or not, but I though I would try it out on this one.

This body turned out better than the s28 initially did. There are still some splotches on the torso, but not as noticeable as they were on the s28. After watching the splotches and uneven coloring largely disappear on the previous body, I expect they'll do the same on this one.

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Splotc10

I think the splotches roughly correspond with where the water droplets dye were located on the figure whenever I pulled it out of the pot to look at it. I wonder if I just kept the figure in the pot the entire time, removing it only sparingly instead of ever 30 seconds or so, if these splotches would never appear. Next time I try dyeing a figure I'll keep it in the pot most of the time and see how it looks at the end.

Here are some pictures with the body next to an unmodified s28 and s29. I thought this turned out to be a really pretty shade of brown, but if it's anything like that last figure I dyed I imagine I'm going to have to dye it again in a week or so.

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Dark1110

And here it is powdered.

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Dark2110

That's it for today.

30Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:28 pm

GubernatorFan

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Looks like another success, although I understand your apprehension about the color becoming lighter over time. I hope this one will stay put.


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31Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:57 pm

Stryker2011

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That is a great brown. It’ll be interesting to see how it looks in a week.


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32Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:02 pm

skywalkersaga

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Looks really pretty , and I’m also curious to see how dyeing it multiple times turns out.


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33Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:06 pm

asgardianboy


Hi everyone.

Gooboo, congratulations for your efforts. This is indeed a revolutionary historical milestone in 1/6: no less than colour fine-tuning on seamless bodies. Difficult to believe!

Regarding Rit Synthetic Dye (the very little Chemistry I know, is from my 2 last highschool years, centuries ago, so if there is any expert in the room, please bear w/ me): when I first heard of this stuff, I was dubious about the whole of it. Setting aside any environmental concerns about using yet another non-biodegradable substance in the hobby, I just couldn't wrap my mind around how the colour of what essentially is extremely fine coloured molded plastic (yeap, synthetic fibers are, in a way) could be easily changed... from the outside? With a dye? I still don't get it: how can you remove (because there is a Rit Synthetic Colour Remover too) and modify what is an inherent part of a piece of plastic? If that was even possible, why couldn't be done before? (this is supposed to be a new product, and common knowledge was for years, you can't dye synthetic fabric)

Anyways, it turns out this thing actually works, and synthetic fibers (i.e. plastic) is just like human hair: somehow the big molecules reponsible for colour (big-->they can interact with light) that are built into the fiber/hair strand can be separated from the stuff that actually makes up their physical structure, and be substituted by others. Period.

Yet, I try to understand the "how", which might explain the phenomena witnessed on this thread: whatever colour molecules that there are in the dye, I guess they break up into anions and cations when dissolved in water, and through some kind of chemical bond, they attach to the body's plastic molecules, which themselves are already bonded to other big colour molecules (the body's original colour). If many dye molecules concentrate in an area, they won't bond to plastic molecules, but to other dye molecules. This bond is weaker and with enough exposure to oxygen would allow dye evaporation (i.e. colour fading). Hence the disappearance of splotches after dyeing, and the fading of the overall dyied colour. The disappearance of dye stains on the body caused by clothing, after some time and w/o any intervention, could also be explained as weak dye-dye bonds from excess dye on the clothes that would migrate onto the silicone to form weak dye-plastic bonds created at room temperatures, as strong bonds would only form at high temperatures.

Why do splotches form?: maybe because of oversaturation of water w/ dye. Microblobs of dye might form and irregularly stain the body's surface. Fix: less dye in the mix (more iterations, more time, more patience), and more effort in dissolving the dye and keeping it solved throught an immersion.

More colour change w/ less dye?: maybe by covering the pot with a lid while keeping the body from touching the extremely hot metal bottom. Also, the less dye evaporates into the environment, the healthier (any evaporated dye might end up in your and your family's lungs).

Can endless dyeing iterations actually change the colour endlessly?: I have introduced the hypothesis of good, durable, plastic-dye bonds vs bad, vanishing, dye-dye bonds on spots oversaturated with dye. I am also hypothesizing that a piece of Phicen silicon might only accept and durably keep a certain amount of dye, of which a sizeable portion might already be there in the form of its original colour, especially if (as I suspect) dyeing only happens on the surface, or slightly beneath it. Any excess above this theoretical limit would sooner or later evaporate. With many dyeing iterations you would only make sure to have reached saturation, but beyond that, further colour change might not be possible as evaporation of weak bonds would eventually clean up any excess dye.

This colour modification method is, in spite of any eventual limitations, a game-changing discovery, and we should make TBLeague aware of it so that they consider the possibility of creating a line of colour-free bodies, ready to be dyied effectively, and an official, reliable, tried and true colour guide showing how to achieve any typical skin tone, durably and without imperfections.

Finally: this dyeing technique might be further refined so that figures with properly coloured nipples could also be possible.

Some final thoughts:

0) Pictures must be taken with the same reproducible lighting and capture conditions (same camera/settings, etc). Otherwise, comparison is impossible and conclusions can't be drawn.

1) I am fascinated by the fact ABS plastic does not change colour the same way as silicone. I guess those hands might be painted hands, and paint might be a completely different material from the
plastic underneath, hence the different results.

2) Does the dye make the body reflect light differently? Or is it the powder? Incidentally (sorry about my ignorance on this respect) why are you so quick to cover the body in powder? Do you use that powder also when you use the body, or only when in storage? I could not use a body in a custom while it is covered in powder.... :-(

SUCH A LONG POST!
I hope this contribution will somehow help to further develop this technique.

LMK guys.
Thanks,
m.

34Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:39 pm

gooboo


I agree about the reproducible lighting- I've done a terrible job at it so far. Next time I'm just going to take photographs in my bathroom where no sunlight or other exterior lighting can affect the setup.

As for the powdering, I was under the impression nearly everyone applied some powder to their figures. The silicone gets sticky and shiny when there's no powder on it, and the bodies come with a light powder on them when you open them from the box. The shininess isn't really realistic looking anyways, so people who photograph their figures I think usually apply some powder to them to make the skin more matte.

35Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:55 pm

skywalkersaga

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asgardianboy -- Welcome, and thanks for that very detailed breakdown of the process. It does explain why the dye is 'absorbed' -- or rather, as you explained, evaporates! I'm certainly curious to see the results of further experiments in this area. 

Re: tbleague providing 'blank' bodies -- now that's certainly an interesting idea. Though I'd also be perfectly happy if they would just come out with already-made bodies w/ more variety of skintones. ;D Both options would certainly be welcome, though!

gooboo -- Using your bathroom lighting as a 'constant' is a good idea! : ) 

And re: the powders: yes, I've been under the same impression. Generally, I don't need to 're-powder' my tbleague bodies that much, since I don't handle them a ton, other than when I'm working on making a custom figure. Once I'm done, if the powder has rubbed off , or been washed off as in the process of the oil pastel method, I apply a translucent makeup powder with a makeup and/or cake-decorating brush. Some people use cornstarch, but I never tried that -- just jumped straight into the makeup powder. But in my case I don't need to apply it all that often, especially since a lot of my tbleague bodies end up being permanently clothed.


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36Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:49 pm

gooboo


I attempted dyeing the s12 and s28 from the first try, since they had lightened so much from the time I first dyed them. This time I'm photographing the bodies in a room closed off from the sunlight, so I should be able to have consistent lighting this time around.

On this attempt I wanted to see what would happen if I left the body in the pot for longer periods of time, rather than lifting it out every 30-45 seconds, and then dipping it back in. For the s28 I had it in the pot for about 35-40 minutes and lifted it out every 10 minutes or so to see what color it was. I hung the bodies in the pot from a cabinet so I wouldn't have to hold them myself.

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Attemp10

Here is the result for the s28-

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Attemp11

I think the splotchiness on the legs was caused by little bubbles that formed on the body from the near-boiling water. When I would life it out of the pot to see what color it was I only lifted it out partway, so I think the bubbles on the top part of the torso would disappear after lifting it out but the ones on the lower body remained, which might be why the top half of the body is colored much smoother than the bottom half.

Here is the s12-

Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Attemp12

I didn't keep track of how long I had this one in the pot, but it wasn't as long as the s28. It has some splotches on it as well, though not in the same locations as the first time I dyed it.

Anyways, I'm all out of dye now so I'll have to go buy some more before I make anymore attempts. You can definitely re-dye the bodies after you've dyed them once, although I don't know how many more times I'll have to do this to get a body to stay a nice dark brown color.

37Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:05 pm

skywalkersaga

skywalkersaga
A clever contraption you rigged up there! ;D  

Hope that the second dyeing will help. It's so hard to know what will or will not 'stick' with these silicone bodies, so I can understand the uncertainty and frustration. Thanks for keeping us updated, and I look forward to seeing how it goes. Regardless of the permanence of the results, I appreciate you sharing this experiment with us.


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38Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:28 pm

Stryker2011

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Once again, I’m in awe how good that looks. Let’s hope this time it sticks around longer (or has more of a permanency level after it seeps into the silicone enough not to fade too much).


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39Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:36 pm

GubernatorFan

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The contraption is slightly comedic, but seems to be working well. Keep it up. And let us know if these hold up.


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40Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:13 pm

skywalkersaga

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Could double as a 1/6 torture device... or some kind of creepy body-horror scene. Laughing


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41Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) Empty Re: Dyeing Phicen figures with Rit Dye (NSFW) on Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:18 am

AerynDiana

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I'll be very interesting to see whether the duration of the bath makes a difference.
I'd have been too scared to leave her in for that long, so... thank you for taking the risk and sharing! ^^

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