TBLeague / Phicen Seamless Bodies with Steel Skeleton Catalog (updated continually)

GeeWillikers wrote:I'm glad you both took that suggestion in the spirit of discovery it was intended  

This kind of guide could never be truly definitive anyway, with the amount of variables between batches that now seems to be occuring, coupled with our own individual perceptions, but it's great to have somewhere to start that gives us whatever concrete technical stats there are when we're making that first choice with a particular model.

I try to get at least one of each of these body types as they're released (bar the too-petite for my taste 26 and 27 and the newer integrated feet models - that said I'll probably get a 42 as I like the sculpt), and it's amazing just how much perception, influenced by all kinds of outside factors, makes each individual body seem just that - individual, even more or less straight out of the box. At the moment for example I've got seven different 23s, and even allowing for the recent design tweak on three of them I can easily tell each one of them apart just as base models, even without heads and any modifications of my own aside.

The best I can offer this thread at the moment are my observations on build and manufacture - as I've said elsewhere, I'm finding that while newer models from 28/29 are of improved and more realistic design, the build quality is sadly now more often than not inferior to the older models (even going as far back as s01/02).

I agree the petite bodies are to dang small, even for the characters I plan on doing customs of. I would rather do the math and figure out what scale the normal TBLs are instead. You are right though, the build quality does seem to be considerably different between the bodies. The 07 and 09 are both tanks, and can clearly take a beating. The 10d has me concerned in the elbows, and the 16a has me wondering if the left shoulder is going to fail internally where I can't fix it without performing a major surgery. Yet they both move, essentially silky smooth while the 09 has stiff joints. Yay manufacturing tolerances!

If I could add this real quick as well as it pertains to clothing options. The lingerie sets from MC Toys (https://www.monkeydepot.com/Lingerie_MC_Toys_Exquisite_Underwear_Camry_Series_p/mc0094.htm if anyone needs a reminder) are positively fantastic in how they fit, and frankly are worth it for the price, but it is clear that certain ones are meant for certain bodies (at least in design as they clearly work in a more universal sense). I own three, a large bust white, large bust pink (more nude/tan), and medium bust black. The white one fits the 07/09 perfectly, no pushing/pulling/digging. The pink one is too small, though it does fit the 07/09, but is perfect on the 10d as the white one is on the 07/09. The black one is hilarious to try and get on the 07/09/10d, and is even a bit too small (more like tough to get closed but not impossible) for the 16a. It just strikes me as interesting how those are designed and seem to have specific body types in mind despite being universal.

GeeWillikers wrote:I haven't said this before but this is a great thread - very informative, thanks GF and MM&I.

One thing - and I don't mean to be picky here especially as I'm too lazy to put in the effort to do this myself - but it might also be useful to measure leg length too as I've noticed that can vary markedly between models. The legs of the 32/33 for example are indeed longer than other models, but they're also thicker and less shapely than say the 18/19, which makes them appear shorter than those when they actually aren't, so it would be very interesting to have accurate technical stats.

It might be an idea to also document the design tweaks and batch variants in each model as they occur, such as the 'bubble butt' tweak to the 22/23 model, and the various flexibities of the skeletons of each model (an 18/19 is less flexible at the waist than other newer models, for example).

I have edited the original data post I made with the addition of the s20a to my collection. I have also added, per your request GeeWillikers, the leg inseam measurement as well as arm inseam and thigh circumference. And at the end is a link to an album on flickr that has some good info to for anyone interested in how these bodies stack up with each other, plus a humorous ending pic to the album.

S38 info added (will be completed tomorrow, ran out of time today). Feel free to delete this update post, I don't know if it lets you know I modified the original post with you being a mod or not, so I just wanted to say it was up.

MeMyself&I wrote:S38 info added (will be completed tomorrow, ran out of time today). Feel free to delete this update post, I don't know if it lets you know I modified the original post with you being a mod or not, so I just wanted to say it was up.

Looks like I forgot to respond. Thanks for the heads up -- and for the work, of course. I already updated the catalog to link with your detailed measurements of S38 (and 39).

GubernatorFan wrote:

MeMyself&I wrote:S38 info added (will be completed tomorrow, ran out of time today). Feel free to delete this update post, I don't know if it lets you know I modified the original post with you being a mod or not, so I just wanted to say it was up.

Looks like I forgot to respond. Thanks for the heads up -- and for the work, of course. I already updated the catalog to link with your detailed measurements of S38 (and 39).

No worries! I’m glad to be able to contribute.

Hi Everyone,

Is there a reference for the S36/S37 Phicen doll? I tried searching in the forum but cannot get the details of the measurements for these two.

Thank you.

felixkh wrote:Hi Everyone,

Is there a reference for the S36/S37 Phicen doll?  I tried searching in the forum but cannot get the details of the measurements for these two.

Thank you.

Welcome to the forum!

https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t2837-new-product-tbleague-1-6-girl-from-the-second-element-small-waist-fine-body

That is the thread where we’ve talked about it, with photos comparing it to other bodies, some youtube, and talk about it. I do not own one, so I cannot guess. That being said, I would say be careful in possibly purchasing one because the proportions are, uh, different to say the least. Depends granted on who you are trying to use it for, but it’s a stark difference.

MeMyself&I wrote:

felixkh wrote:Hi Everyone,

Is there a reference for the S36/S37 Phicen doll?  I tried searching in the forum but cannot get the details of the measurements for these two.

Thank you.

Welcome to the forum!

https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t2837-new-product-tbleague-1-6-girl-from-the-second-element-small-waist-fine-body

That is the thread where we’ve talked about it, with photos comparing it to other bodies, some youtube, and talk about it. I do not own one, so I cannot guess. That being said, I would say be careful in possibly purchasing one because the proportions are, uh, different to say the least. Depends granted on who you are trying to use it for, but it’s a stark difference.

Thank you for the reply. Will do some more research before I decide.

Curious if anyone has done the measurements for the 38 model (short curvy one)? I’m looking for the minimum of basic bust/waist/hip measurements, though even more detailed would be welcome. Trying to ascertain if I’ll be able to clothe it with existing clothing or will have to make everything from scratch.

skywalkersaga wrote:Curious if anyone has done the measurements for the 38 model (short curvy one)? I’m looking for the minimum of basic bust/waist/hip measurements, though even more detailed would be welcome. Trying to ascertain if I’ll be able to clothe it with existing clothing or will have to make everything from scratch.

I got that body a little while ago and updated my original post (post 35). Hopefully it is useful for you!

Finally I found the definitive guide! Another magnificent contribution from this generous forum to humanity.

Although sadly, I have arrived here, two female bodies phicen late.

主 Dweller wrote:Finally I found the definitive guide! Another magnificent contribution from this generous forum to humanity.

Although sadly, I have arrived here, two female bodies phicen late.

Better late than never I would say! Welcome aboard!

MeMyself&I wrote:

主 Dweller wrote:Finally I found the definitive guide! Another magnificent contribution from this generous forum to humanity.

Although sadly, I have arrived here, two female bodies phicen late.

Better late than never I would say! Welcome aboard!

Thanks for the greeting, I've been looking for something like that all over the internet and it's as if I had found an oasis.
I really only have one day and I already feel very comfortable here.

Thank you for the kind words, Dweller. I don't know about definitive, after all, just today, we found out they are TPE rather than silicon after all, but it is meant to be comprehensive and additions and corrections are being added as information becomes available.

Are "older" models still recommended or would you always go with e.g. 16-43? Some improvements or anything or is it mainly body form difference?

Valiarde wrote:Are "older" models still recommended or would you always go with e.g. 16-43? Some improvements or anything or is it mainly body form difference?

I haven't bought any of the older models in a while, but they don't seem to have the same variation in outward design between batches of individual models as the later ones (differing skintone shades or design tweaks like the two different designs of S22/23, for example).

The older models while more primitive in their design seem to be better manufactured on the whole in my opinion with fewer build defects and more fluidity of movement. Sadly build quality seemed to drop off a cliff with the first batch of 28/29s and didn't recover again until the 38/39 (it seems to have been an assembly line problem and it seemed to affect suntan models more than pale ones - it appears though that it is now rectified so future batches of 28/29 will probably be OK). The newer models like S42/43 seem to be more or less back to the old standard.

And of course most of the older models (up to S10/12) are seamless-footed and therefore more difficult to pose.

Valiarde wrote:Are "older" models still recommended or would you always go with e.g. 16-43? Some improvements or anything or is it mainly body form difference?

I wouldn't generally recommend any of the seamless-ankled models, old or new, but that is really my bias in favor of fully-functional action figure bodies showing; certainly there is something to be said for the aesthetics of the TBLeague seamless ankle (though it is not perfect either -- yet it is much better than Jiaou's). I also generally prefer the suntan versions and the medium-breasted versions, in both cases because they are more realistic and more useful, although there would be exceptions. All in all, my favorite models (talking about both appearance and usefulness) are probably S23B, S29B, S25B, S39A for the female bodies, M33 and M34 for the male ones.

Thank you guys, very helpful.

Oh and GF: your preferences are like 99% same as mine (suntan, medium, no seamless feet, s23, s25 and m33 are the best)

Valiarde wrote:Oh and GF: your preferences are like 99% same as mine (suntan, medium, no seamless feet, s23, s25 and m33 are the best)

Glad we agree, although of course it is not a must that we do.

Hi, new guy here so I'm probably posting this in the wrong place, I had delivery of the new s43 and s42 bodies yesterday, even though I have a collection of female clothing I have yet to find any that fit, the thigh dimensions seem to stop any type of trousers or shorts, the hips and backsides seem to make skirts stretch to their limits, shirts and top wise the bust and shoulders limit the fastening of shirts and really stretch pull over tops , the feet are huge and are so rubbery they fold when trying to put on tights or stockings, I have a collection of heels, boots and trainers but the foot width and folding(feels like the metal foot will rip through if pushed too much) mean that none seem to fit, I think the body is going to fit male clothes better than female ones unless you are handy with a sewing machine.

Heartofiron wrote:Hi, new guy here so I'm probably posting this in the wrong place, I had delivery of the new s43 and s42 bodies yesterday, even though I have a collection of female clothing I have yet to find any that fit, the thigh dimensions seem to stop any type of trousers or shorts, the hips and backsides seem to make skirts stretch to their limits, shirts and top wise the bust and shoulders limit the fastening of shirts and really stretch pull over tops , the feet are huge and are so rubbery they fold when trying to put on tights or stockings,  I have a collection of heels, boots and trainers but the foot width and folding(feels like the metal foot will rip through if pushed too much) mean that none seem to fit, I think the body is going to fit male clothes better than female ones unless you are handy with a sewing machine.

Hi Heartofiron. I'm sorry for your troubles. I cannot offer any advice specific to this body, as I do not own one. However, some of the other forum members do, and you can poke around recent (or not so recent) posts in this thread for more information to begin with:
https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t3058p82-new-product-tbleague-s42-s43#46360

In general, the suppleness/flexibility of the TPE "flesh" allows you to overcome some of these initially apparent limitations, although, depending on the material used, garments will only stretch so far. There are sixth-scale garments that simply will not fit, and this is a taller and curvier body than many others made by TBLeague.