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NEW PRODUCT: HHMODEL & HAOYUTOYS New product: 1/6 Rome - Camp Flag Bearer Action Figure (#HH18020)

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Stryker2011

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HHMODEL x HAOYUTOYS New product: 1/6 Camp Flag Bearer Bearer

configuration list:
-1/6 simulation head sculpture
-Movable body
-8 replacement hand-shaped garments:
-Tops
-Chain mail
-Pants
-Animal head cloak
-Red scarf
-Bracer
-Belt
-Shoes
-Greaves
-Helmet (metal)
-Chest medal accessories:
-Wide blade long pass (metal)
-Short sword (metal)
-Shield
-Eagle Flag
-Square platform
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HH Model X HaoYuTOYS :1/6 Imperial Army — Camp flag bearer

configuration list:
-1/6 Avatar
-body
-8 hand replacement
Costumes:
-coat
-Chain mail
-Pants
-Animal head cloak
-Red scarf
-Bracer
-Belt
-Shoes
-Leg armor
-Helmet (metal)
-Chest medal
AAccessories:
-Long sword (metal)
-Short sword (metal)
-Shield
-Eagle Flag
-Square platform

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AerynDiana

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Oh I Wish I was (My wallet thanks me for not being) into the historical stuff, cause this is beautiful!

Valiarde

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Too bad I have too many interests - these romans all look so great. But can't start another collection sadly


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Moonbase Alpha Male

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This is indeed a great looking figure.  

The correct name is "Camp Flag Bearer," and being precise (picky) about it matters to distinguish it from the earlier Eagle Flag Bearer, though persons better informed than I may advise why those are two different things.   As a design/configuration, this is virtually a complete duplicate of their Eagle Flag Bearer (which was terrific also) but there is relatively little physical re-use.  The lion of the Eagle Flag Bearer (worth the price of admission by itself) is a bear for this one.  The Eagle Standard is similar but a different design.  The shield, armor etc are varied (with some borrowings maybe from their other figures).  The two will look great together maybe with my Ignite Aquilifer discreetly at the back.

The Eagle Flag Bearer was Liam Cunningham (GoT Davos), so I was somewhat surprised the figure didn't get more attention for that reason.  I can't place the likeness of this one (does anybody?)


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GubernatorFan

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I've been meaning to do a review of the Eagle Flag Bearer. I agree. These are stunning, beautifully made, and generally high-quality figures, even if they do take some liberties with what we know from history/archaeology. I'll be tempted by the figure, but the rising prices might get in the way.


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Stryker2011

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$235 USD on Timewalker, Ian.


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Moonbase Alpha Male

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Does anyone identify who the sculpt is?


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Moonbase Alpha Male

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GubernatorFan wrote:I've been meaning to do a review of the Eagle Flag Bearer. I agree. These are stunning, beautifully made, and generally high-quality figures, even if they do take some liberties with what we know from history/archaeology. I'll be tempted by the figure, but the rising prices might get in the way.

I would certainly be interested to see you doing that review. Some "liberties with what we know from history/archaeology" are probably be inevitable, but my "glass half full" view is that these HY Romans are above average in that regard -- maybe some mismatches as to what rank might have what signage or what gear, but nothing glaringly anachronistic afaik. And no outright fantasy elements. So they seem generally credible. Kaustik Plastik was probably more scholarly about it but I recall reading they still made some mistakes. Did you review any of the HY Romans? Your informed take would be interesting to read.


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GubernatorFan

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Stryker2011 wrote:$235 USD on Timewalker, Ian.

Ouch! For a trooper figure that's not even a normal functional trooper. They are very good quality, but that's a hefty price tag. It will be a difficult decision either way.

Moonbase Alpha Male wrote:Does anyone identify who the sculpt is?

I was wondering the same thing. An aging Ray Stevenson (Pullo)? I don't really know. They are not always meant to be anyone in particular, I think, although we have seen Vorenus, Davos, and Messala among them.

Moonbase Alpha Male wrote:I would certainly be interested to see you doing that review.  Some "liberties with what we know from history/archaeology" are probably be inevitable, but my "glass half full" view is that these HY Romans are above average in that regard -- maybe some mismatches as to what rank might have what signage or what gear, but nothing glaringly anachronistic afaik.  And no outright fantasy elements.  So they seem generally credible.  Kaustik Plastik was probably more scholarly about it but I recall reading they still made some mistakes.  Did you review any of the HY Romans?  Your informed take would be interesting to read.

Thank you for the encouragement, especially given that reviews (and not just mine) have tended to be relatively light on feedback/comments, which has made them a little less exciting to do in my book. Yes, I reviewed the first two HY&HH sets, take a look if you are interested, as well as three out of the four recent Kaustic Plastik ones (been meaning to do the cavalryman too) --

https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t2015-rome-imperial-army-reloaded-infantry-by-hh-model-haoyu-toys-review-updated-with-comparison-photos

https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t2017-rome-imperial-army-centurion-by-hh-model-haoyu-toys-review

https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t1716-roman-infantry-2019-kaustic-plastik-review

And a few kitbashes based on the KP sets, primarily -- https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t1443-early-imperial-roman-infantry-kitbash

Hope you enjoy them.


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Moonbase Alpha Male

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GubernatorFan wrote:Ouch! For a trooper figure that's not even a normal functional trooper. They are very good quality, but that's a hefty price tag. It will be a difficult decision either way.

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Thank you for the encouragement, especially given that reviews (and not just mine) have tended to be relatively light on feedback/comments, which has made them a little less exciting to do in my book. Yes, I reviewed the first two HY&HH sets, take a look if you are interested, as well as three out of the four recent Kaustic Plastik ones (been meaning to do the cavalryman too) --

https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t2015-rome-imperial-army-reloaded-infantry-by-hh-model-haoyu-toys-review-updated-with-comparison-photos

https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t2017-rome-imperial-army-centurion-by-hh-model-haoyu-toys-review

https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t1716-roman-infantry-2019-kaustic-plastik-review

And a few kitbashes based on the KP sets, primarily -- https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t1443-early-imperial-roman-infantry-kitbash

Hope you enjoy them.

Hey thanks, that's a lot of reading I am much looking forward to.  I guess I missed those reviews in my time of exile.  I really should know more about ancient Romans, given that I was born in Rome, on the Ides of March, and a five minutes' walk away from the place Caesar was killed.  (True).

You're right about the "hefty price tag" for "not even a normal functional trouper" but one thing that probably adds to the price but is well worth it is the lion (in the case of the first one) and the bear here.  They would probably be very expensive loose but I'd love to have spares of each because they would also double as rugs in a Victorian setting.  My lion actually got ported over immediately to replace the awkward goofy looking thing that TBL Hercules came with.  Actually I was prepared to accept that Hercules would keep the HY excellent lion head, and Roman Davos would inherit the goofy looking TBL one -- but now I can't do that if this new guy with the excellent HY bear head is going to be in the same environment.


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GubernatorFan

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Cool Roman connections. Don't tell me they baptized you Giulio Cesare! Just kidding, I know they didn't. You do know they killed him in the theater of Pompey, not the Curia Iulia (which was under construction), right? Smile


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Moonbase Alpha Male

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GubernatorFan wrote:Cool Roman connections. Don't tell me they baptized you Giulio Cesare! Just kidding, I know they didn't. You do know they killed him in the theater of Pompey, not the Curia Iulia (which was under construction), right? Smile

Yes, I know that's right.  And in a future life I plan to be reborn as a cat in the sanctuary that is there now, at Torre Argentina.  I concede my birthplace is actually a slightly longer walk, south, essentially between the Piramide and Non-Catholic Cemetery (Keats & Shelley) and the Coloseum.  Most modern Romans are born outside the old city, in "suburb" areas where there has been room to build hospitals, but I was born in a small clinic right on the edge of the Roma Antica.  And ok, technically I was born at 5:00 am on March 16, but I'm still calling that the Ides of March. Caesar was killed 2064 years ago, I'm not fussing 5 hours Smile


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GubernatorFan

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Moonbase Alpha Male wrote:And ok, technically I was born at 5:00 am on March 16, but I'm still calling that the Ides of March.  Caesar was killed 2064 years ago, I'm not fussing 5 hours Smile

Well, it was still March 15 in North America at that time (though no one knew it)!


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Moonbase Alpha Male

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GubernatorFan wrote:
Moonbase Alpha Male wrote:And ok, technically I was born at 5:00 am on March 16, but I'm still calling that the Ides of March.  Caesar was killed 2064 years ago, I'm not fussing 5 hours Smile

Well, it was still March 15 in North America at that time (though no one knew it)!

Yeah, over here the exact anniversary of my birth does not fall on my birthday. A fun subject for barroom bets...


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GubernatorFan

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Actually... the Roman day began at sunrise, so 5 am on March 16, which is before sunrise, should count as March 15. Smile


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Moonbase Alpha Male

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GubernatorFan wrote:Actually... the Roman day began at sunrise, so 5 am on March 16, which is before sunrise, should count as March 15. Smile

The Hour of the Wolf... apparently the hour when most children are born, and the hour most people die (I got that from an Ingmar Bergman movie). So being the hour of the "Wolf," that again is a very Roman thing.


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shazzdan

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Looks pretty good but the price is too high.


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Moonbase Alpha Male

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For sure it's a bad sign that the totally parallel Eagle Flag Bearer also by HY, same components list, was apparently $15 cheaper at $220 to this one $235. Nothing to account for the $15 hike except post-Covid-19 prices are wack.


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agentghost

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Look like a FAT chubby version of Sean Bean.  Wassup with fatso headscupt lately?  First was PHAT Russel Crowe and now Fat Sean Bean

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Stryker2011

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I was going to say “fat” Liam Cunningham myself...


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GubernatorFan

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I, for one, appreciate the attempt to provide something a bit distinctive and perhaps less ideal. And while this is just a collectible, perhaps the tone of some posts has turned a little ugly.


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Moonbase Alpha Male

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GubernatorFan wrote:I, for one, appreciate the attempt to provide something a bit distinctive and perhaps less ideal. And while this is just a collectible, perhaps the tone of some posts has turned a little ugly.

If there is an actual actor that this is based on, I can imagine the poor man reading this thread, depressed, and thinking "I never knew that I look like a fat chubby Sean Bean, a fat Liam Cunningham..."

I like to think the head is just realistic and not fat, but then again, I also like to think the same when I look in the mirror.  It brings up an interesting question though -- looking at the pics again.  Does it look like they actually gave him a different body shape, which will stand out in a group display?  Or am I just seeing maybe some way that the armor fabrics and leather are bunching up on an otherwise "normally lean" body?


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Stryker2011

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It looks to me that it is a more "robust" body -- but as you say, that could just be the layering; it would, however, make more sense given the head sculpt if the body was a bit more plump. The only way to know is if it ever gets parted out, or someone breaks down and buys one, to be sure.


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GubernatorFan

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I don't have any actual proof, but I believe these are still using the same CooModel hard plastic jointed bodies as the first sets in this series.


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GubernatorFan wrote:I don't have any actual proof, but I believe these are still using the same CooModel hard plastic jointed bodies as the first sets in this series.

For "these," as a group, certainly yes -- but now I am wondering if this particular one is using something more like the Worldbox Plump. Did CooModel ever make a belly model like that? The proportions of this one seem different from the previous others in the pics, unless again it's just an effect of fabrics bunching up. If HY did actually go through a special effort to make this one the "Friar Tuck" of their Roman merry band, I'm impressed.


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Moonbase Alpha Male wrote:For "these," as a group, certainly yes -- but now I am wondering if this particular one is using something more like the Worldbox Plump.  Did CooModel ever make a belly model like that?  The proportions of this one seem different from the previous others in the pics, unless again it's just an effect of fabrics bunching up.  If HY did actually go through a special effort to make this one the "Friar Tuck" of their Roman merry band, I'm impressed.

I don't think they have a "fat" body. Might be using padding (note how the belt causes the outer line to tuck in at the waist in some of the shots). Moreover, the head might be slightly on the small side to fit inside the helmet without making that too oversized. Certainly the short-cropped hair helps in that respect.


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Doesn't really work for lower-ranked Roman soldiers. Most were short and lean because their diet had little meat in it. There is one account where there was almost a mutiny because they were issued fresh meat instead of their typical staples of wheat, lentils, and chickpeas. Army rations included meat but it usually made up a fairly small proportion of their total food allocation, and even that was more than they were used to eating as civilians.


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Moonbase Alpha Male

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shazzdan wrote:Doesn't really work for lower-ranked Roman soldiers. Most were short and lean because their diet had little meat in it. There is one account where there was almost a mutiny because they were issued fresh meat instead of their typical staples of wheat, lentils, and chickpeas. Army rations included meat but it usually made up a fairly small proportion of their total food allocation, and even that was more than they were used to eating as civilians.

I think your point is well-taken generally, but if anyone would be the exception, it would be the Aquilifer.  It was not a low rank, but just below Centurion.  In battle he had influence above his place in the chain of command because soldiers would follow the Eagle standard.  And I believe he got double pay because he had to be at the very front of battle, while wearing lighter armor for mobility, and largely unable to defend himself due to carrying the eagle.  Further he was also treasurer because the coins were kept together with the Eagle and signage.  Due to the one-off nature of the rank he also had a lot of additional prestige and his position was unique.  It was also the prestige rank you would probably have if your family was relatively wealthy but you didn't aspire to rise to the very top military ranks, so he could just be carrying a few extra libra from prior civilian life.  Not that I think HY Toys would have thought this through...


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Given less varied nutrition, most pre-modern people would be shorter and generally slightly smaller than modern ones, that is true. But a lot of bread can make your body heavier and bulkier than meat by itself.


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Let me have men about me that are fat;
Sleek-headed men and such as sleep o' nights:
Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look;
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.


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GubernatorFan

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Moonbase Alpha Male wrote:
CAESAR
Let me have men about me that are fat;
Sleek-headed men and such as sleep o' nights:
Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look;
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.

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GubernatorFan wrote:Given less varied nutrition, most pre-modern people would be shorter and generally slightly smaller than modern ones, that is true. But a lot of bread can make your body heavier and bulkier than meat by itself.
White bread, yes. But  most Romans never ate that. On top of that, modern strains of wheat have a higher calory density and are easier to digest. The bread available to the Romans did not enable the type of weight gain that we see with modern bread.


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While active duty soldiers might not have been particularly prone to heaviness, there are plenty of depictions of chunky Romans, including Nero and Titus, among others.


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GubernatorFan wrote:While active duty soldiers might not have been particularly prone to heaviness, there are plenty of depictions of chunky Romans, including Nero and Titus, among others.
Of course there were. It is pretty obvious why when you look at what the aristocrats ate and the copious amount of alcohol they drank. Many also had a devotion to avoiding any kind of manual labour. But that has nothing to do with Roman legionaries.


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