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Morpheus

Morpheus
What's the deal with interest threads here? I assume they're allowed? I know the banner at the top reads "with an emphasis on either custom or commercial".

Darklord Dave just deleted the whole section over at SSF.

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Stryker2011

Stryker2011
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Holy cow! Talk about an unexpected clean sweep. That is more than extreme, considering that more than half the stuff wasn’t a license that either Sideshow or HT have the rights to. I agree with the poster who responded to Dave.


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Mark

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Morpheus

Morpheus
Looks like there's a chance he hasn't deleted it but FAKED for the sake of Sideshow. Just looking into it. Could now be a Premium member only section.


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Stryker2011

Stryker2011
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Still a crap move. I’m not paying to be a member of a forum that tends to drive me nuts.


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Morpheus

Morpheus
Yep. The only reason I go there is for the customs and the fact that I have money tied up in one. I'm not paying more money just to see the thread.

Dave's wording is "they're not available" not "they're deleted". So, I guess he's playing silly games - a compromise with Sideshow, no doubt. Now hidden from Disney etc.

By making it Premium only, he's trying to not only keep his affiliate money, but also force people to pay him $25 each to gain access back to the interest threads. That's blackmail and kinda worse than just deleting them. Many hundreds of people are invested in those threads, so he probably sees the potential revenue as huge.


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Stryker2011

Stryker2011
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Well, it’s his forum, and I guess he can (and has to) do what keeps him going, but what I’ve read over there is a lot of unhappy people looking for a new home.


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Mark

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Morpheus

Morpheus
Yep, which is why I was asking about the policy here. Smile


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Morpheus

Morpheus
LOL. Dave really hasn't thought this through properly beforehand. Now he's fighting fires. . .

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Stryker2011

Stryker2011
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Let me communicate with the other Mods, and I’ll get back to you. Personally I have no problems with them, but I don’t have the final word.


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Mark

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Morpheus

Morpheus
Would be good to have a new place away from interference.

Looks like he's now moved or deleted it again. Even premium members can't see it now. And he deleted twenty posts talking about it. Reminds me of Fight Club.

Damn. Now I talked about it.


I must say that it's very entertaining watching him in panic mode and trying to fight fires.

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Can't sensor the internet, Dave...lol He's locked the thread.


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shazzdan

shazzdan
You've broken rule one and rule two.


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Stryker2011

Stryker2011
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shazzdan wrote:You've broken rule one and rule two.

Razz


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JohnByng


Sorry to be a "Jonny come lately" but what is the issue here? I don't know what an "interest thread" is. Maybe it is a case of "if you don't know what it is, you don't need to know" but I am naturally inclined to be nosey. scratch

Andrew

Andrew
Banning all of all customs, and not just SSC ones?

Idiot.


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Asta

Asta
It's a thread to gauge Interest in doing a particular custom piece for sale.

Here's Dave's latest announcement:

http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/announcements/189052-customs-section-threads.html

Stryker2011

Stryker2011
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Andrew wrote:Banning all of all customs, and not just SSC ones?

Idiot.

While I agree, it was poor form, it was probably a lot easier then searching through thousands of threads to weed out the ones not connected to SSC or HT.


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Stryker2011

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Asta wrote:It's a thread to gauge Interest in doing a particular custom piece for sale.

Here's Dave's latest announcement:

http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/announcements/189052-customs-section-threads.html

Thanks for the link. Judging by all the unhappy people, I wouldn’t be surprised to see our ranks grow at a much faster rate. Hopefully not so fast that we lose the general vibe of the community we’ve built here.


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JohnByng


Asta wrote:It's a thread to gauge Interest in doing a particular custom piece for sale.

Here's Dave's latest announcement:

http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/announcements/189052-customs-section-threads.html


Thanks Asta!

shovelchop81

shovelchop81
And so it begins.... ironic as I was just thinking yesterday after trying to buy some airsoft guns here in the UK for my collection and failing as my 'defence' to buy them suddenly is no longer acceptable (only just paid for a year's subscription a month or so back) that I should spend my money on 1/6 figures instead as there's no way that can be banned or considered illegal! ... Now you just reminded me of this stupid SSC war on customs situation...FFS!!Rolling Eyes Mad Sad how bloody depressing....

Morpheus

Morpheus
Forums are popping up all over the place now Razz Just had an invite to another one.


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shovelchop81

shovelchop81
I guess it'll go like Pirate Bay, too many heads to cut off!!

Rogerbee

Rogerbee
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There is a group on FB, OneSixthFreaks, which is continuing the interest threads that were deleted and Ilya Kirsanov is starting up a board that will do likewise.

If you have any interests already invested then a trip to the FB group should help

CHEERS!

Morpheus

Morpheus
That's what the new PrimeGeek forum is saying - they're saving the interest threads. Got quite a few members already.

OneSixthFreaks - can't seem to find that FB group. Got a direct link?


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dadrab

dadrab
Oh, Lord. Will the nonsense ever cease?

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I don't go to SSF on a routine basis. Just never got comfortable with it, but this seems like a pretty low-down move.

If I had any skin in that game, I'd be looking for someone's address with intent to introduce them to a friendly can of whoopass.

Stryker2011

Stryker2011
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Here’s the situation as far as OnesixthFigures is concerned in regard to the custom projects threads:

We cannot condone, nor will we accept responsibility for any such threads (Forumotion’s language is pretty clear on rights infringement). We ask that the posting of Interest Threads be limited to showing WIP images, final product images, and input, etc, much the way all of ArtFigures threads have been handled. All business-related information, solicitation of sales and costs, or communications in that regard should be conducted through Private Messages only. What happens in those messages is between you and the artists and in no way will OneSixthFigures, or it’s moderators, be responsible for arrangements made between its members. We welcome any and all artists to share their work, but anything over and above is the sole responsibility of those involved. Discretion is key here, and in the future, if we garner the attention of any legal rights holders and receive complaints, we will have to step in and take action.


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Mark

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Morpheus

Morpheus
It's all being taken care of, but good to know Smile


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Rogerbee

Rogerbee
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Here's a link to One Sixth Freaks: https://www.facebook.com/groups/213563072768557/

CHEERS!

Asta

Asta
Darklord Dave (Stephan) posted on OneSixthRepublic:


Sean Dabbs Gwendydd Stclair exactly, it's ridiculous to think a company would give you a licence for such a small part, and small sales alone would not even open a discussion with you. The fact is that a lot of custom artists HELP these licenced figures, by offering repaints, alternate heads or costumes, stands etc etc. I know a lot of people that ended up buying a statue because they could have it repainted or have another head of it, bought a figure so they could add an alternate head to it.
15h

David Stephan Sean Dabbs That was exactly the point I made to them. Anything that augments an existing figure actually helps the sale of that figure. But their licensors are requiring them to enforce this zero tolerance policy.
15h


David Stephan
Sean Dabbs Well, sideshow didn't create the freaks forum. I did. They fully supported and encouraged it though, almost from the start.
14h


David Stephan It's not owned by Sideshow. It's independently owned and operated and supported through affiliate sales and membership fees. Without that income the substantial monthly expense of the forum could not be supported.
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Rogerbee

Rogerbee
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Hmm, just like Jon Deak, trying to make out that he's not the bad guy.

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Asta

Asta
The loss of the customs section from SSF doesn't affect me as I never fancied getting on board with any of those open ended projects that seem to drag on for years, and sometimes just turn out to be scams when the custom maker disappears, or comes out with a menu of excuses, until they either run out of excuses or the customers run out of patience. And then they disappear completely.

Sometimes the end product just doesn't look like it was worth the cost. But the buyers are so invested they often can't help but say how wonderful it all is. Though I remember PixelPiper complaining how bad a Van Gogh figure turned out.

I'm more interested in full on bootlegs, the unlicensed complete figures. Cheaper, less risk and more fun to mess with without fear of destroying the value of an expensive custom you waited an anxious two years for.

It's a little odd that those threads haven't been taken down yet, whereas the whole custom section got the chop.


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Stryker2011

Stryker2011
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Asta wrote:It's a little odd that those threads haven't been taken down yet, whereas the whole custom section got the chop.

That was my thought. The entire custom thread section gets wiped out, which included thousands of things which SSC (nor HT) have anything to do with it, yet VTS, Redman, etc. threads in the general area still exist... ?


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Mark

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Rogerbee

Rogerbee
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Redman are rip off merchants, but, most of the people they ripped off are in the custom section. A lot of people are blissfully unaware of what they're up to, but, if you're in the know, you know!

Redman figures are pretty bad all round, particularly when you compare them to the figures they ripped off.

CHEERS!

Stryker2011

Stryker2011
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Rogerbee wrote:Redman are rip off merchants, but, most of the people they ripped off are in the custom section. A lot of people are blissfully unaware of what they're up to, but, if you're in the know, you know!

Redman figures are pretty bad all round, particularly when you compare them to the figures they ripped off.

CHEERS!

Yeah, I get that Redman is a rip-off of a rip-off, but I find it ironic that ALL the custom work was removed, and yet threads like Furiosa, Logan (which is infringing on the Marvel license), and the General X-Men (all bootlegs) threads still exist. Hypocrisy knows no bounds.


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Asta

Asta
Redman have some high points in their catalogue, even if they did copy some ridiculously overpriced unlicensed figures: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly trio; The Outlaw Josey Wales (which was an original sculpt as they showed progress photos), and the re-released Blondie as Monco from For A Few Dollars more.

The paintwork on those Redman figures puts most of Sideshow's output to shame, so it's in Sideshow's favour to enforce the will of the license holders and attempt to limit the visibility of customs/bootlegs.


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Rogerbee

Rogerbee
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There are lots of grey areas and loopholes, it's best not to overanalise them and just concentrate on the stuff you love. SSF is pretty much as dead as OSW to me, they've got nothing left that I want to see. Thankfully OSF is here to cater for my habit.

CHEERS!

Cobratrooper11

Cobratrooper11
personally i am torn on this. i don't know which side to support, the artist, or the artist? on one hand, IP rights are in play, and on the other, it's art thats at stake. i feel like it's best to steer clear of the issue, and let those who wanna play with fire do so. i would suggest caution going forward as i see this only getting worse. i suspect there may be some C&D orders, but who knows.

Rogerbee

Rogerbee
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Yeah, I'm of the same mind. If you like a certain product, like say the Treasure Hunter or Space Tracker head, grab it as soon as you can and make the most of it.

CHEERS!

dadrab

dadrab
This whole "intellectual property license" thing is waaaaaaaay out of hand.

The real hell of it is that the vast majority of the fear centers around hearsay that is further fueled by raging paranoia.

A little discrepancy goes a long way.

Asta

Asta
dadrab wrote:The real hell of it is that the vast majority of the fear centers around hearsay that is further fueled by raging paranoia.

A little discrepancy goes a long way.

When the subject of misinformation was brought up on SSF, this came to mind:


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Stryker2011

Stryker2011
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Now the entire Freaks board is down.


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Rogerbee

Rogerbee
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No great loss when everything I wanted to look at is gone.

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