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GubernatorFan


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shazzdan wrote:Romans never had parade armour. It was a notion invented by the Victorians.

So what do you call armor that is so ornate that it would be completely impractical and/or wasted in battle? Like the Philip II shield from Vergina, with the finely carved/sculpted Herakles etc? Although I suppose maybe it was just a really fancy piece of equipment that may or may not have come into actual use depending on the needs and priorities of the owner.

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Armour was not only about protection, it was a useful way of identifying friendly forces or an individual.

I don't know whether parade armour existed or not, but a man like Phillip II might have worn elaborately decorated amour and equipment so that he would stand out on the battlefield.

shazzdan


GubernatorFan wrote:
shazzdan wrote:Romans never had parade armour. It was a notion invented by the Victorians.

So what do you call armor that is so ornate that it would be completely impractical and/or wasted in battle? Like the Philip II shield from Vergina, with the finely carved/sculpted Herakles etc? Although I suppose maybe it was just a really fancy piece of equipment that may or may not have come into actual use depending on the needs and priorities of the owner.

You've never handled any of these if you think they are impractical in battle. There are plenty of examples of heavily decorated equipment with battle damage. For the ancients, battle WAS parade. The whole point was to get noticed on the battlefield and to intimidate the enemy. Look up the concept of "conspicuous consumption". To gain renown and prestige, you get the most expensive stuff, use it up, throw it away, and get more. They ate meals with gold dust and crushed pearls sprinkled on top. They purchased the most expensive clothing and only wore it once.

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skywalkersaga


Now I’m thinking of that quote from ‘Parade’s End’, ‘there will be no more parades!’. ;p

And welcome, ahbake! Smile I agree, Ben Hur is a classic. One of many I associate with my dad, since it was always a fave of his I used to watch it with him back in the day. :’)

As others have said, it’s an odd figure in certain respects — I kind of wonder if it’s meant to be so overly ostentatious as it’s trying to appeal to the ‘Three Kingdoms’ collectors? Like maybe they looked at the armour in the film and said ‘not fantastical and over-the-top enough, needs more bling’. ;D

ahbake


Thank skywalkersaga!

Going back to the "parade" comment, I was thinking of something KP's Fabio mentioned when presenting their Roman General (had him for a while, beautiful figure), that the helmet was a "ceremonial/parade" helmet, not meant to be worn in battle. So that got me thinking about what was worn during triumphs and parades.
We know that legionaries were given white tunics for the triumphs, and we also know that the attic helmet was worn by praetorians and officers, so this very ornate get-up seemed quite appropriate for a "parade".
I also remember reading somewhere that a famous statue in Spain was supposed to have been originally painted in bright colours, especially the musculata.

Anyway, I guess to me this figure seems well within the range of possibilities. Which is a moot point anyway, 'cause if I did get it, it would be because it reminds of Messala! Wink

GubernatorFan

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shazzdan wrote:You've never handled any of these if you think they are impractical in battle. There are plenty of examples of heavily decorated equipment with battle damage. For the ancients, battle WAS parade. The whole point was to get noticed on the battlefield and to intimidate the enemy. Look up the concept of "conspicuous consumption". To gain renown and prestige, you get the most expensive stuff, use it up, throw it away, and get more. They ate meals with gold dust and crushed pearls sprinkled on top. They purchased the most expensive clothing and only wore it once.

Yes, to a point, although that tendency need not be considered universal or consistent and does not preclude some armor being meant more for show than function, and being worn accordingly. I thought they dissolved the pearls in vinegar or something like that.


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GubernatorFan wrote:Yes, to a point, although that tendency need not be considered universal or consistent and does not preclude some armor being meant more for show than function, and being worn accordingly. I thought they dissolved the pearls in vinegar or something like that.
Who said anything about it being universal? It applies to the Romans, which is all that matters in this context. There was no such thing as Roman parade armour. The armour they wore in triumphs was the same armour they wore in battle. A commander might not expect to see direct fighting but that didn't mean that his fancy helmet wasn't worn on the battlefield. The lower ranked officers and NCOs most definitely wore them in battle and they considered it a virtue for them to get damaged. Anyone who came out of a battle with no damage to their gear was accused of not pulling their weight if not of outright cowardice. Damaged armour gave them "bragging rights"; the more damaged, the better. They would get the armourer to fix it afterwards but would not want it looking "like new". Undamaged equipment marks you out as a rookie, or worse, a coward.


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ahbake


I'm wondering if these guys might give us a Laurence Olivier Crassus look-a-like from Spartacus... he, too, had quite a flamboyant armour.

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ahbake wrote:I'm wondering if these guys might give us a Laurence Olivier Crassus look-a-like from Spartacus... he, too, had quite a flamboyant armour.

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