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STAR WARS Return of the Jedi Stormtrooper by Hot Toys review (updated with Part II - Deluxe)

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GubernatorFan

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Update: For the addendum on the Deluxe version, please see Post 21 below.

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Introduction
The boys are back in town, and by "the boys" I mean the Imperial Stormtroopers from the Original Trilogy (or, as I like to think of them, "real Stormtroopers"). More specifically, the Imperial Stormtroopers as seen in Return of the Jedi. Excluding the "Sandtroopers" and "Space Troopers" (which are very similar and, especially in the second instance, differ mainly in sporting extra gear), the dubiously canonical "Shock Troopers" and "Shadow Troopers" (AKA "Blackhole Stormtroopers"), and the strange chrome and porcelain versions (what a waste!), Hot Toys has now produced three different versions of the basic, classic look of the Star Wars Original Trilogy-era Stormtroopers: those from Rogue One, those from A New Hope, and now those from Return of the Jedi, reviewed here. Hot Toys is releasing these in two versions, standard and deluxe. This review covers the standard version (MMS 514). I have a deluxe version on order and will post an addendum (Part II -- see Post 21 below) to cover the extra features after it arrives. While I will be making occasional reference to Hot Toys' other classic Stormtroopers (from Rogue One and A New Hope), I will reserve a detailed comparison for its own separate thread, coming shortly.

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Packaging: 3.5/4 stars
The Hot Toys Return of the Jedi Stormtrooper comes in the long familiar two-shades-of-black shoebox container with removable lid, featuring a fine image of the collectible on its top cover, credits and warning on the back/bottom, and decorated by a cigar band running along near the bottom edge of the lid. This cigar band seems to be more elaborate than ever, featuring color photography of a couple of cut out images of the Stormtrooper figure (one of them is out of view in the photo below) and of the Death Star II docking bay where numerous real and painted-in Stormtroopers had assembled to greet the arriving emperor. It is nicely done and more elaborate than before, although the basic concept is familiar and unexciting. Below the lid lies one of the now standard color cards with an image of the product among others, photoshopped to look like they are firing volleys of blaster bolts at the enemy. As I have written before, the card is a nice, though perfectly unnecessary item. Below that lies a mercifully single black plastic trey with its transparent plastic lid, in which you can find the figure and all of its accessories. Everything is safe and collector-friendly.

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Sculpting: 3/4 stars
We are treated to the usual excellence of Hot Toys sculpting, and they certainly have accumulated a great deal of expertise sculpting Stormtrooper armor over the years. While there is not human face or other biological features to get right and realistic here, there is plenty of detail on the armor and weaponry that needs to be right. As far as I can tell, Hot Toys succeeded in this, and spotted the differences specific to Return of the Jedi armor, like the trim (or lip) on the edges of the torso armor (the chest and upper back plates, the abdomen and lower back plates, the crotch and buttocks plates); the sculpt of the armor is also a little softer than before. These were changes introduced in the Mk II Stormtrooper sets designed but barely used for Empire Strikes Back and produced in large quantities for Return of the Jedi. Another obvious difference is the configuration of buttons on the central panel of the abdominal armor, which is rotated 180 degrees from its original look in A New Hope. The figure stands about 11.75 inches (29.8 cm) and looks to be just a little shorter than the one from Rogue One. Except perhaps for the height, so far, so good.

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The problem is that, like George Lucas himself, Hot Toys couldn't leave well enough alone. I refer to what they did with the helmet, which has been historically the most difficult part of the Stormtrooper's appearance to replicate correctly or convincingly. Like Marmit and Sideshow before it, Hot Toys got the proportions on their first Stormtrooper helmet (from A New Hope) wrong: the helmet protruded a bit too far down in the front (so to speak, it was too "snouty"), and the distance along the "nose" ridge between the lower edge of the sunken goggles and the upper edge of the toothed "frown" was smaller than the distance between the lower edge of the "frown" and the upper edge of the sunken "mouth" (it should have been the reverse). This error (which still allowed for an attractive, if inaccurate helmet sculpt) was then carried over to the Space Troopers, Shock Troopers, Shadow Troopers (Blackhole Stormtroopers), and the various other derivative products. Then Hot Toys fixed the problem, getting the Sandtrooper about right in 2015 (though unfortunately replicating an exceptional costume oversight with the twisted up brow), and getting the Rogue One Stromtrooper right in 2017: the distance between the sunken goggles and the "frown" was now correctly a little longer than the distance between the "frown" and the "mouth." But today, another two years later, we are treated to another Stormtrooper with a problematic helmet. This time Hot Toys has over-corrected their initial mistake (though they had already fixed it since then!) by making the distance between the sunken goggles and the "frown" just a little too long and the distance between the "frown" and the "mouth" a little too short, resulting once again a helmet that is not quite right in its facial proportions and is a bit too "snouty." It is not horrid looking, but you cannot unsee it once you have spotted it (it is more pronounced from some angles than others), and it is quite disappointing, especially as the hurdle seemed to have been surmounted. There are other, less obvious issues with all of these helmets, which are symmetrical, whereas the originals (apparently even the streamlined Rogue One originals) are famously asymmetrical; the molding process for Return of the Jedi produced a narrower and taller-looking helmet, something of which is in fact conveyed in the Hot Toys product. So we are left with a nice but ultimately inaccurate recreation of the characters' appearance in the film; at this price point we might expect better.

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Paint: 4/4 stars
The paint scheme of the set is fairly simple. Stormtroopers have glossy white, black, and grey armor, with a couple of blue buttons among the black ones on the abdomen armor. The paint correctly reflects differences between the characters' appearance in Return of the Jedi (and to some extent Empire Strikes Back) and in A New Hope; for example, the toothed "frown" is now painted black as opposed to grey. The paint application is very precise, and some light weathering has been applied. It is most obvious on the boots and the belt, with some finer or subtler touches on the rest of the armor, all the way to the helmet. The Stormtrooper's blaster rifle is given a very good amount of weathering, perhaps more so than usual with Hot Toys. The helmet is fitted with screen-accurate translucent green bubble lenses, and you can catch a glint of green more readily in this product than the previous iteration (see also the photo under "Value' below).

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Articulation: 3/4 stars
While the underlying body surely allows for virtually unlimited articulation, unrestricted poseability is hampered by a combination of factors. First, Hot Toys continues to supply its products with padding undergarments even where that is unnecessary, as here. Second, although the body armor ought to be virtually identical in shape and size to what was used for A New Hope (both on screen and in the action figures), it is often impeded from a fuller range of poseability when bending at the knees and hips, as different armor pieces run into each other. It would be exceedingly difficult or impossible to get this Stormtrooper figure to sit properly or take a knee; its A New Hope and certainly (with some minor modification) Rogue One predecessors were a bit more poseable, if memory serves me well. This is another disappointment, and I wonder whether the problem might have been mitigated or avoided if only the figure were designed a little taller (with longer limbs, especially legs); it is just a little on the short side anyway. Removing the padding helps, both by freeing up the joints and by maing the overlying pieces of armor more movable. Additionally, perhaps one could transfer the armor onto a taller body or at least remove the unnecessary padding. While I realize that Stormtrooper armor was pretty limiting even in 1:1 scale, a less restricted articulation (without necessitating any modifications) would have been welcome.

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Accessories: 3/4 stars
This is difficult category for evaluation, as the set technically contains everything you see a Stormtrooper wielding in Return of the Jedi (in other words, a blaster rifle), yet it contains so very little. The accessories (really everything that does not come already attached on the body) include: the nicely weathered E-11 blaster rifle, the thermal detonator that attached to the back of the belt, several spare or alternate parts (a couple of spare wrist pegs, a total of seven hands: pair of relaxed hands, pair of fist hands, pair of gun-grip hands, and a single left outstretched fingers hand), a little instruction booklet (telling you how to put the gun into its holster and how to attach the thermal detonator to the belt) mercifully unencumbered by messy tape, and an action figure stand with grey Death Star floor surface and the label "Sith Trooper" on the little sign. Yes, "Sith Trooper." Not that I really care about it, but Quality Control seems to be slipping. I'd be curious to know if anyone else encounters the same oversight. That's it for the standard version, whereas the deluxe version comes with a cool light-up function background (more on that in the forthcoming update).

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Outfit: 3.5/4 stars
Another difficult category to evaluate, as the set features little visible outfit besides the armor already covered above. Underneath the armor, the body is clothed in a stretchy black bodysuit with a back zipper; nothing fancy, but perfectly usable and articulation-friendly; the same cannot be said for the partial padding (like the padded shorts). The covering for the neck (which includes a ribbed collar) seems sloppier than before, although admittedly you are not very likely to see that part of the figure exposed, unless perhaps you took off the helmet to replace it with a head of your choice. Of course, Hot Toys does not really take customizing and kitbashing into account, and there are multiple warnings that the armor and outfit are not designed to be removable, and might be damaged if you do it. That is not entirely true, but proceed at your own risk. The belt and its holster come attached (the belt can be undone with velcro on the back) and the holster can close, even when the weapon is inside it, with a magnetic strap.

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Fun Factor: 3.5/4 stars
Alone or in groups, combined with others from their own line or earlier releases, classic Stormtroopers lend themselves to any Original Trilogy Star Wars environment (in the case of these, especially Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi) and so much beyond. While they could be better articulated (some of which can be fixed) and proportioned, they are still very good figures and offer plenty of possibilities. Of course, ideally, you would need a bunch, and there the price point becomes a serious issue.

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Value: 3/4 stars (standard); 2/4 stars (deluxe)
The standard version retails for about $190 (USD), the deluxe version for about $243 (USD), not including shipping. Even the lower price is an issue for an army builder character, an issue compounded by the fact that there are aspects to this nice set that ought to have been better (proportions, articulation). That said, I have to admit that at $190 the regular version costs about the same as the Rogue One version from a couple of years ago, and palpably less than a number of other trooper figures we have seen since; while it is not a low price for an army builder, that is something to be appreciated. I cannot quite fathom how what seems like a fairly simple light up display option (3 AAA batteries not included) for the deluxe version would merit a cost difference of $53, and that is all the more disappointing as these background panels are all but useless on their own; you would need two, three, or four next to each other to set up a nice backdrop to one or two figures.

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Things to watch out for
Not much. As always, be gentle with the relatively delicate wrist pegs, and ideally warm up the hands before swapping (that is why I own a hair dryer). The thermal detonator is of the type that can slip off and fall with annoying ease while handling, and since it is not big, it might be easy to misplace. I would keep an eye on the magnetic closure for the holster, just in case some magnet becomes unglued. Be careful with the foldable stock on the blaster rifle -- this is a delicate articulated part. The figure stands and balances pretty well, but take the appropriate precautions against it tumbling down.

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Overall: 3.3/4 stars
The Hot Toys Return of the Jedi Stormtrooper is a very nice set that could easily have been perfect, with but a little more attention to proportion (helmet, height) and articulation (less padding); then the only negative would have been the price, and even that was relatively decent, considering what it might have been. In other respects, like the painting and weathering, as well as most of the sculpting, the set is remarkably well done. If you love Stormtroopers and are looking to build up your ranks, the new product is a good addition to the bunch.

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Where to buy
As always, you can check out various offerings on eBay, or visit the online stores below, among others, but they seem to be selling out fast:

Alter Ego comics for $243 (deluxe )

Big Bad Toy Store for $190 (standard ) or $243 (deluxe )

Cotswold Collectibles for $243 (deluxe )

Timewalker Toys all sold out

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Hope this has been useful. As always, what do you think?

Update: For the addendum on the Deluxe version, please see Post 21 below.

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Stryker2011

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Another great review. As I’ve said before, I’m not as up on all the differences between armors from one movie to the next, but I appreciate all the insight. This is my second, and probably last ST, and oddly I’ve seen others complain about the nameplate error — though some, like me, received one with the correct Stormtrooper title.


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GubernatorFan

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Stryker2011 wrote:Another great review. As I’ve said before, I’m not as up on all the differences between armors from one movie to the next, but I appreciate all the insight. This is my second, and probably last ST, and oddly I’ve seen others complain about the nameplate error — though some, like me, received one with the correct Stormtrooper title.

Thank you very much. I am sure there are more (and I do intend to get more systematic about pointing them out -- both in terms of film appearance and its recreation in sixth scale -- in the specific comparison thread which is yet to happen), and I'm also sure that if Paul (scalawag) had not deserted us, he could bring a lot more clarification and detail on this subject to the table.

Which was your first stormtrooper? And did you get the standard or deluxe version with this one here?


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The other one I have is the Sideshow Squad Leader (I think) — the one with the orange pauldron. I got the standard edition for this — didn’t see the need for the backdrop thingy.


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skywalkersaga

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Your reviews are always so informative and well-organized, and this one is no exception. I especially love those pics with the forest backdrop, they look awesome. Smile

Admittedly, I’m not super knowledgable about the differences in helmets and armour between each of the three OT films, so I’m not able to add much more than what you’ve already noted. Of course, I can tell the difference between PT, OT, and (ugh) ST armour, and, more specifically, I could tell you if Clone Troopers’ armour is phase 1 or 2, and possibly what unit they belong to, but that’s about the range of my expertise. Razz

And yes, scalawag’s insight on subjects like this is indeed greatly missed... :[


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Stryker2011 wrote:The other one I have is the Sideshow Squad Leader (I think) — the one with the orange pauldron. I got the standard edition for this — didn’t see the need for the backdrop thingy.

Ah, a Sandtrooper, then. Smile I've just put together another one of those... I think I might be an addict... Smile The reason I asked about the standard vs deluxe version, was just a hunch that maybe the wrong nameplate issue was somehow specific to one as opposed to the other, but it appears to have been random. Again, it doesn't really matter to me, but it might to someone else, and it seems sloppy on HT's part, and when one pays this much money, one should not get sloppy...

skywalkersaga wrote:Your reviews are always so informative and well-organized, and this one is no exception. I especially love those pics with the forest backdrop, they look awesome. Smile

Admittedly, I’m not super knowledgable about the differences in helmets and armour between each of the three OT films, so I’m not able to add much more than what you’ve already noted. Of course, I can tell the difference between PT, OT, and (ugh) ST armour, and, more specifically, I could tell you if Clone Troopers’ armour is phase 1 or 2, and possibly what unit they belong to, but that’s about the range of my expertise. Razz

And yes, scalawag’s insight on subjects like this is indeed greatly missed... :[

Thank you very much! I'm glad you liked it, especially as the background gave me trouble. The forest backdrop I had printed out for the speeder bike and the biker scout, but haven't gotten around to setting that up. To be honest, the ground cover was a total pain because of the stupid decorative moss (which seems to shed everywhere, smell pretty bad, and possibly elicit an allergic reaction -- when I cleaned up as thoroughly as I could, I tossed the damn thing). I wish now I had gotten a photo of a forest with more of the forest floor for the foreground, so that the figures could stand directly on that (I have a sunny one you have seen with my Roman kitbashes, and it works reasonably well).

Yes, an actual reenactor (or whatever you want to call it) like scalawag knows all this in scary detail that puts even my pedantry to shame. Smile Try to summon him back? (I'm too bitter to try.)


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Aw man, that sucks about the smell -- glad you got some nice pics out of it though. 

Meant to add that I appreciated the pic of the four standing together with the labels of what films they are supposed to be from above them, as it was helpful to me. I also didn't notice it before as I was on my phone and the pics are tiny on my screen, but the Stormtrooper with the beer is a great touch. ;D


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GubernatorFan

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skywalkersaga wrote:Aw man, that sucks about the smell -- glad you got some nice pics out of it though. 

Meant to add that I appreciated the pic of the four standing together with the labels of what films they are supposed to be from above them, as it was helpful to me. I also didn't notice it before as I was on my phone and the pics are tiny on my screen, but the Stormtrooper with the beer is a great touch. ;D

Glad it was informative -- again, I'm going to post a more in-depth analysis of how the stormtroopers (and their film sources) compare to each other in a separate thread. Looking at this photo, I am sometimes struck by the differences (partly HT's fault, but also in part film redesign), and sometimes I am struck by the similarities (i.e., if you are not focusing on the differences, they end up working surprisingly well next to each other).

If you liked the beer break photo, you might like some of the pictures in my first stormtrooper (Rogue One) review from years back -- which maybe you have seen already. Here's the link:
http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW-022017b.htm


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skywalkersaga

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Oh that is an excellent review! I had indeed missed it previously, so I appreciate the link. Smile


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skywalkersaga wrote:Aw man, that sucks about the smell -- glad you got some nice pics out of it though. 

Meant to add that I appreciated the pic of the four standing together with the labels of what films they are supposed to be from above them, as it was helpful to me. I also didn't notice it before as I was on my phone and the pics are tiny on my screen, but the Stormtrooper with the beer is a great touch. ;D

Hah the same here, great review, for me the Rogue One...one looks the most right. Didn't know there were differences between the edges of the armor.

Is that Sly Stallone wearing that huge Samurai helmet? Now you have to bash a 1/6 Darthnold.

GubernatorFan

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All this inspired me to repost some old but now spruced up (Special Edition!) Star Wars funnies in the OSW Funnies thread HERE.

skywalkersaga wrote:Oh that is an excellent review! I had indeed missed it previously, so I appreciate the link. Smile

Thank you and you're welcome. Glad you liked it.

Ovy wrote:Hah the same here, great review, for me the Rogue One...one looks the most right. Didn't know there were differences between the edges of the armor.

Is that Sly Stallone wearing that huge Samurai helmet? Now you have to bash a 1/6 Darthnold.

Thank you very much, glad you liked it! Rogue One is most right to its own movie, although I agree with some critics who point out that they shouldn't have made changes to the helmet and armor for that film; but they did and HT got it spot on for once. I hope to do all the differences more justice in a special thread.

Yes, it is Sly -- I needed a clean-shaven figure with a relatively short haircut (and this was the first one I chanced upon), because the Hasbro helmet is a bit large -- and I haven't scooped out the inside "ceiling" with a Dremel yet (seems like a nightmare to even try). Darthnold might be closer than you think... I've been working on a little something... Smile


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PickleMunkey

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Man those guys look sweeet.

It's funny how many different looking standard stormtrooper helmets have been made.

If you wanted to get crafty for a new Death Star Trooper helmet, you could get one of these.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/PJCAH33S6/1-6-usn-mk2-talker-helmet

Then make a liner, sculpt the holey plate on the front and use a liner from a different helmet.

Rogerbee

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Great review, I'm sticking with my Bandai though, he's all the Stormie I need.

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GubernatorFan

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PickleMunkey wrote:Man those guys look sweeet. It's funny how many different looking standard stormtrooper helmets have been made. If you wanted to get crafty for a new Death Star Trooper helmet, you could get one of these.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/PJCAH33S6/1-6-usn-mk2-talker-helmet

Then make a liner, sculpt the holey plate on the front and use a liner from a different helmet.

Thank you -- though of course I can claim no credit for how these turned out, I only reviewed them. The original helmets varied enough because of how they were put together; the scale versions vary additionally because of oversights or mistakes. Still, this turned out very decently. The talker helmet is indeed at the core of the imperial naval guards helmet, but I think you overestimate my skills and patience if you think I can easily turn that into the movie helmet.

Rogerbee wrote:Great review, I'm sticking with my Bandai though, he's all the Stormie I need.CHEERS!

Thank you. Bandai did a great job, and about half of my stormtrooper force is Bandai models, but with Hasbro heads.


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Interesting, I can't recall if I've seen that combo, care to share?

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GubernatorFan

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Rogerbee wrote:Interesting, I can't recall if I've seen that combo, care to share?

You've seen it before, but here it is again (not necessarily the best photo, but an image designed to show the combo alongside the original figures). Long before Paul (scalawag) deserted us, he and I compared measurements and proportions on the always troublesome helmets (using 1:1 scale props, in his case an actual Shepperton studio helmet), and we determined that this Hasbro helmet (albeit symmetrical and based on the largely streamlined Rogue One version) came closest to representing the 1:1 originals (both classic and Rogue One) correctly. It is (or was) a very affordable alternative (even if you have to pick up the whole toy, pry off the helmet, and rig up a way for it to be worn by the Bandai), with the only downside being slightly less shiny plastic, often less than perfect paint application (though that could be fixed), and always some sculpt imperfection on one or the other side of the helmet's bottom -- where it was apparently detached from a mold or something.

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Here are some better photos of the combo, where I unfortunately didn't bother to include some or all of the correct background or flooring.

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They also mix well with others, like the HT Rogue One version (which is very very close to them). In the next photo, several of the background ones are the same combo (look for vertically narrower lenses -- for example, back row at left end) :

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In a group they look good, but a little odd on their own. Still happy with my Bandai.

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skywalkersaga

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Those look great, and such a good idea! Smile

Though I was almost too distracted by Vader to notice anything else... Wink


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GubernatorFan

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Rogerbee wrote:In a group they look good, but a little odd on their own. Still happy with my Bandai

Thanks. I agree, not sure why, but they do look better as a group.

skywalkersaga wrote:Those look great, and such a good idea! Smile Though I was almost too distracted by Vader to notice anything else... Wink

Thank you. Too distracted by Vader? He only shows up once! Smile


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He’s just that beautiful .... ;’)


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Part II - Deluxe Version

I received the deluxe version (MMS 515) of Hot Toys' Return of the Jedi Stormtrooper the other day, and here is the promised Deluxe addendum. The deluxe set comes in a box that has the same width and depth as the standard version, but is about 1.5 inches taller, reaching 16 inches. The imagery on the cover, the cigar band, and on the color card under the cover is different from that on the standard version.

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Inside the box there are now two transparent plastic treys (each with its own cover of the same material) one of which fits over the other. The top trey contains the figure and its accessories, while the bottom trey contains the same stand as the standard version (this time correctly labeled "Stormtrooper") plus the backdrop exclusive to the deluxe version (the only additional item). That is intended to portray a Death Star wall panel with light apertures, and is designed so as to sit at the same level as the top of the action figure stand. It requires 3 AAA batteries (not included), which are placed into a compartment on the back, concealed behind a simple cardboard slip printed on one side with the image of a different Death Star wall panel. You have to unscrew a little screw to open the battery compartment and to close it; tiny JIS-type screwdrivers help, as usual.  

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The quality of the light apertures panel is very good, although it is really a simple piece with minimal sculpting and a nice even paint application; the translucent white light cover looks and works great. The printed panel on the cardboard slip is fine but considerably less impressive.

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While it looks quite nice, it does leave something to be desired. For one thing, it is barely enough background for one figure. For another, it really should have been designed so as to work both with and without the action figure stand (i.e., the backdrop's little base that elevates it to the level of the top of the action figure stand should be removable). There is also a missed opportunity with the cardboard slip -- perhaps they could have given us three of them, depicting the three most basic types of Death Star wall panels, or at the very least printed it with different panel imagery on both sides.

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Is it worth an extra $50? Hard to tell, although there is plenty of good quality and basic electronics involved.

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Articulation update
Like so often, I couldn't help myself and put together a reconstituted HT ROTJ Stormtrooper (i.e., I built it from parted out parts). In the process, I did not pick up and include the padding (among other things), and can confirm that simply removing that makes a significant enough difference with the articulation. Although the edges of the upper and lower leg armor still get in each other's way (something that perhaps can be avoided if using a longer body or longer ankle pegs), the stormtrooper can now sit decently well.

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Hope this has been useful. What do you think?


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Ah, wow, it does look really good. I especially love the reflection of the lights on the shiny floor!  Though of course you are right that it would have been better if it were wider and if the base were optional. Even so, it does make a very nice display stand, and your pics show it off very well. : )


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Ovy

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Sitting, something little Babies learn before the Stormtroopers. Has there ever been any Stormtrooper sitting in the movies, not counting drivers? Worked out well!

And the base....I guess if you get all your friends and their Deluxe Stormtroopers together, one can have a very long Death Star floor full of troopers.

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skywalkersaga wrote:Ah, wow, it does look really good. I especially love the reflection of the lights on the shiny floor!  Though of course you are right that it would have been better if it were wider and if the base were optional. Even so, it does make a very nice display stand, and your pics show it off very well. : )

Thanks. Well, the shiny floor doesn't come included (and has been pitted and smudged through overuse). Smile The reflection of the lights is very cool, though truth be said, my printed white lights manage to cause almost as much of a reflection on it when the light bounces off of them. But of course, it is very cool to have real Death Star lights, even if just a little sliver of them...

Ovy wrote:Sitting, something little Babies learn before the Stormtroopers. Has there ever been any Stormtrooper sitting in the movies, not counting drivers? Worked out well!

And the base....I guess if you get all your friends and their Deluxe Stormtroopers together, one can have a very long Death Star floor full of troopers.

Like I've mentioned on other occasions, apparently most Stormtrooper actors on the set couldn't actually sit, although some could (Han in ANH, and I've seen some set photos), so the sitting problem is perhaps not a huge flaw with the figure. But it makes sense to make it as articulated as possible. And in this particular instance, the padding "garment" I didn't include was absolutely unnecessary.

So aptly put. I mean, who could army build at this cost!? And apart from this website, I don't know anyone who collects this sort of stuff, never mind who might pick up this particular figure...


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Thanks for the review, Guv. I didn't go for the Deluxe myself, as I didn't think the extra backdrop justified the added expense, but I am glad I got one of these new Stormies.


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Stryker2011 wrote:Thanks for the review, Guv. I didn't go for the Deluxe myself, as I didn't think the extra backdrop justified the added expense, but I am glad I got one of these new Stormies.

I agree with you -- it is nice, but not essential, and of dubious worth at this price point. It's just that I don't like to pre-order, so I was holding back until I saw they were selling out. And my usual go to play had only Deluxe sets left for pre-order, so I bit the bullet and pre-ordered one. Then I found the regular sets elsewhere, with a discount to boot.


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GubernatorFan wrote: Then I found the regular sets elsewhere, with a discount to boot.

I hate when that happens. Though I guess in your case, it probably worked out ok, since you love your Troopers.


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skywalkersaga

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That's how I ended up with the Deluxe Obi-Wan, lol. Though in that case I had a good idea of what I'd use some of the extras for from the start, so it was probably worth it.


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Stryker2011 wrote:I hate when that happens. Though I guess in your case, it probably worked out ok, since you love your Troopers.

skywalkersaga wrote:That's how I ended up with the Deluxe Obi-Wan, lol. Though in that case I had a good idea of what I'd use some of the extras for from the start, so it was probably worth it.

Yes, it's alright. I'd rather buy a full squad of 9 troopers at $80 each (oh the good old days...; if Sideshow had only gotten them right back then!) than just 2 at $250, but high end license holders aren't going to make it easy on army builders. I was curious to get the backdrop, which, while limited in various ways (see above), is a little nicer than I expected (the light up part anyway). It's certainly not a bargain, but I can live easily enough with just one of these. It probably helps that over the years I have accumulated a number of stormtoopers (some of them kitbashed or reconstituted). Smile


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Very cool review all the way, those troopers are so iconic! Awesome idea for the bandai/hasbro mix, I had missed that part, very effective for army building! (that shot with vader and papa palpatine reviewing the troops!!!)

Great photography as well, it all lies in the posing and you realyl master that part, most of your casual shots could be "behind the scene" pictures of the stunts in armor having a beer or reading a mag... Top notch!

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blackpool wrote:Very cool review all the way, those troopers are so iconic! Awesome idea for the bandai/hasbro mix, I had missed that part, very effective for army building! (that shot with vader and papa palpatine reviewing the troops!!!)

Great photography as well, it all lies in the posing and you realyl master that part, most of your casual shots could be "behind the scene" pictures of the stunts in armor having a beer or reading a mag... Top notch!

I'm glad you liked it and thank you very much for the kind words. I'm not terribly ambitious with these photos -- mostly intended to show off the figures in different poses and from different angles -- but I do try to provide a modicum of environment and context. Coming from you, this is all very flattering.


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