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Star Wars Hoth Rebel Trooper (updated)

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21empirestrikesback - Star Wars Hoth Rebel Trooper (updated) - Page 2 Empty Re: Star Wars Hoth Rebel Trooper (updated) Sun May 12, 2019 4:01 pm

GubernatorFan


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scalawag wrote:Yeah the Luke boots do have more interest to them, but they are the Hero version I guess.  It's always tricky to know which way to go with these things.  The trooper boots in the pic are probably only ever meant to be seen from a distance or in the background, and so were made cheaper and with less detail but to look like the hero boot in the circumstances they are to be seen on screen.  We are never meant to see them as close as they are in the pic that you posted.  The hero boots will have all the detail as we are more likely to see them up close.  But on screen both types would in theory at least look like similar boots to one another, so do we go with what we know they wore? or what we 'see' on screen? always a choice to be made.
Personally I would always go with the 'Hero' of any given object when making a figure I think, as that is what the director intended us to see on screen.
Interestingly this sort of dilemma happens less these days due to the Hi Def filming techniques used now and because we all have near perfect quality freeze frame.  Today film makers insist that the background objects need to be as accurate and detailed as the hero versions because that detail can be seen, so this dilemma disappears.  They are often made of other materials to lighten them or make them cheaper but they look identical now rather than the 'good enough' that used to suffice.

I know they used rubber casts of STG44 german rifles for a lot of the rebel guns on Hoth (the trooper at the back of the pic stood against the trench parapet has one of these), and Sterling smg  casts are evident in the pic too in the form of DH 17 rebel blasters in the troopers holsters, but I can't find reference to the M1 Carbine ever being used.  That of course  doesn't mean it wasn't as one may have snuck its way in, who knows.  It may just be one of the STG44 casts that is being held at an angle that makes it look more like the muzzle end of an M1 carbine????

I didn't think of that -- some boots being "hero" versions; but if helmets could do it, why not boots? Or it could be Sideshow making them look even more expressive (weathered, detailed, etc) than the actual prop used in the movie.

Speaking of guns, while I will leave the weaponry identification to you, I did just complete a long-delayed weapon custom I had planned -- check out the Dengar thread (HERE).

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22empirestrikesback - Star Wars Hoth Rebel Trooper (updated) - Page 2 Empty Re: Star Wars Hoth Rebel Trooper (updated) Tue May 14, 2019 10:59 am

PickleMunkey


If you wanted to go for a different route on the hat, you could try a WWII German Field cap, with the 'ears' down.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DRAGON-1-6-German-M43-Field-Cap-/303121145109https://www.ebay.com/itm/DRAGON-1-6-German-M43-Field-Cap-/303121145109
Paint it up grey/white and you'd be rollin'!

Planning on trying this myself at some point.

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GubernatorFan


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PickleMunkey wrote:If you wanted to go for a different route on the hat, you could try a WWII German Field cap, with the 'ears' down.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DRAGON-1-6-German-M43-Field-Cap-/303121145109https://www.ebay.com/itm/DRAGON-1-6-German-M43-Field-Cap-/303121145109
Paint it up grey/white and you'd be rollin'!
Planning on trying this myself at some point.

Thank you very much for the suggestion. I always knew the rebels were bad! Wink I will give it a try -- just bought some.

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24empirestrikesback - Star Wars Hoth Rebel Trooper (updated) - Page 2 Empty Re: Star Wars Hoth Rebel Trooper (updated) Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:59 am

Valiarde


Informative Thread as always from GF Smile  Exactly the thread I needed. Thanks
The vest doesn't look bad at all and the boots can be upgraded. 

Not that I want to put Kenner outfits on a seamless body, but do you think it would fit there too? I think seamless are often a bit more muscular and because of the rubber skin harder to dress than smooth plastic skin. 
Like I said, I wouldn't put the cheap clothes on a seamless just curious.

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GubernatorFan

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Valiarde wrote:Informative Thread as always from GF Smile  Exactly the thread I needed. Thanks
The vest doesn't look bad at all and the boots can be upgraded. 

Not that I want to put Kenner outfits on a seamless body, but do you think it would fit there too? I think seamless are often a bit more muscular and because of the rubber skin harder to dress than smooth plastic skin. 
Like I said, I wouldn't put the cheap clothes on a seamless just curious.

Thank you very much, I'm glad you liked it. It occurs to me that they should wear gloves of some sort, but haven't gotten around to tackling that.
Let me get back to you whether these Hasbro outfits work on seamless bodies. I have used the ones that come with their black-tunic imperial officers on the M31 body (which is admittedly their slimmest male one), but by now I have upgraded to the Count Dooku outfit -- you can see these in my "Death Star Trooper" (i.e., Naval Guards) bashes. For example, here -- look for plain black circular patches covering up the screen-inaccurate imperial cog emblems over the upper arms:
https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t1076-christmas-reruns-star-wars-christmas-revised-edition-not-the-holiday-special#13816


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26empirestrikesback - Star Wars Hoth Rebel Trooper (updated) - Page 2 Empty Re: Star Wars Hoth Rebel Trooper (updated) Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:18 pm

PickleMunkey

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Y'know, with some ribbon and hockey tape you can make some pretty convincing Hoth boots.

I did these in 1/12.

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GubernatorFan

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These are awesome, PickleMunkey. I'm still working up to continuing my hockey tape boots experiment.


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Theboo-bomb

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Nice, the hasbro vest and pants are completely useable but the shirt is not that great, you could remove the cuffs since they aren't really part of the shirt but then the sleeves will be much shorter which is the curse of hasbro clothing, specially of the 80's when they used the huge buff bodies with the short arms. Boot's wise I prefer the hasbro ones.


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GubernatorFan

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Theboo-bomb wrote:Nice, the hasbro vest and pants are completely useable but the shirt is not that great, you could remove the cuffs since they aren't really part of the shirt but then the sleeves will be much shorter which is the curse of hasbro clothing, specially of the 80's when they used the huge buff bodies with the short arms. Boot's wise I prefer the hasbro ones.

I agree. I have wondered if perhaps the cuffs could be opened up to extend the sleeves lower, whether it is movie accurate or not. But, yes, it is a common issue with the bodies and outfits they used, still in the 90s. Some weathering would probably make the Hasbro boots really shine -- you know what I mean. Smile


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BAMComix

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Very nice indeed Ian!

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shovelchop81

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Very cool! And a figure I have actually not made lol (you'll need to see my SW collection to understand). I bet he'd sell his sole for a pair of gloves though!! I haven't been to Hoth but I have lived and rode through a Norwegian winter! The winds can flash freeze you, bloody painful!!

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GubernatorFan

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BAMComix wrote:Very nice indeed Ian!

Thank you very much, Dal!

shovelchop81 wrote:Very cool! And a figure I have actually not made lol (you'll need to see my SW collection to understand). I bet he'd sell his sole for a pair of gloves though!! I haven't been to Hoth but I have lived and rode through a Norwegian winter! The winds can flash freeze you, bloody painful!!

Thank you very much. I find this almost surprising. Is it just that you have not ventured specifically into those scenes (yet)? I'm not sure selling his sole would help, but his soul maybe. Smile Yes, every time I see these images, I remember about the gloves. I haven't found suitable ones just yet, other than maybe the Sideshow ones that come with Luke.


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shovelchop81

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LOL! Knew something looked wrong with that spelling! He'd probably get a hell of a lot more for a boot than his soul! Done loads of Hoth Custom builds but I guess I just used Luke and Han to represent snow Rebels, keep meaning to do Leia too.
As for gloves, any gauntlets will do just paint them white and grey, while adding communicator greebles too. I used grey leather for all the cuffs on my gauntlets.

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GubernatorFan

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Yep, still working on getting them all proper gloves. There wouldn't be more than 2-3 anyway, as canon fodder for my snowtroopers. Wink At this point I just have to remember to keep an eye out.


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