Marathon LOTR/TH WIP Custom Builds..Reaper/Rider Wraith Redone & Finished.

Indeed, I think you're going in the right direction and very impressed. Glad to hear there will be further detailing on the shoulder armor. If you do devilish flesh in places around the torso, I suppose you will be matching that on the hands and feet. That might match better with the red light you are going to use.
And, again, your Lord of Darkness looks awesome. I've always thought him a quintessential representation of the Devil.

Blimey, he's a big fella! You wouldn't spill his pint that's for sure!

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GubernatorFan wrote:Indeed, I think you're going in the right direction and very impressed. Glad to hear there will be further detailing on the shoulder armor. If you do devilish flesh in places around the torso, I suppose you will be matching that on the hands and feet. That might match better with the red light you are going to use.
And, again, your Lord of Darkness looks awesome. I've always thought him a quintessential representation of the Devil.

Rogerbee wrote:Blimey, he's a big fella! You wouldn't spill his pint that's for sure!

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Thanks guys!

Primered the 'now to be and already were' flesh parts with brick red, done a coat of regular red which will be followed by many different shades getting darker and fading to black the closer the parts get to armour or the black clothing. I'll also be trying flame effects with some paint to blend them into the flesh. A selection of parts there for weapons and I'm still figuring out the detail bits for the pauldrons, it's tough when you have the perfect parts but they're saved for another project! Doing a bit more work on the robes.

Ooohh. Cool prospects for weapons. It’ll be interesting to see the final flesh effect with the changing tones.

Stryker2011 wrote:Ooohh. Cool prospects for weapons. It’ll be interesting to see the final flesh effect with the changing tones.

getting there, just smoky black ink then black ink to go now...

Red (standard) acrylic sponged on


Red Gore acrylic sponged on


Sepia ink brushed on then wiped then brushed etc..

I can see your fairly complex painting technique working out beautifully, especially in the last photo.

Yep, definitely coming along now.

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GubernatorFan wrote:I can see your fairly complex painting technique working out beautifully, especially in the last photo.

Rogerbee wrote:Yep, definitely coming along now.

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Thanks guys! Done all the tones now, waiting for the black ink to dry then I'll look into the flames idea, oh and the nails!

Smoky black ink with a .00 brush and a sponge




Black ink with a sponge (dries matte, still wet)








There we go...dry now!

Whoah. That is awesome!! Very demon-like. LOVE IT!

If you're thinking of plastic flames, I'd be inclined to think no. You don't want to cheapen what you have.

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Stryker2011 wrote:Whoah. That is awesome!! Very demon-like. LOVE IT!

Thanks Mark!

Rogerbee wrote:If you're thinking of plastic flames, I'd be inclined to think no. You don't want to cheapen what you have.

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I know you have a pet hate for them but I love them and use them all the time, remember all that flame work I did for my Ghost Rider figures and horse? Or my Extremis Fire Ninja? The Tmashi flames in particular are excellent and expensive too! The reason for the flames aside from design continuity, is that Sauron's power is growing after a couple of centuries since his defeat and loss of the 'One Ring' to Elendil in the first battle for Middle Earth; so much so that it is literally consuming him from within only needing the 'One Ring' to complete his transition to an ethereal omnipotent being again that he used his complete armour in the first battle to contain him as a physical weapon; a lot like Anubis from SG-1 (Stargate). Don't forget 'The Eye' has flames already!!

pic before flames

Sorry Roger but you got your Lord Of Darkness colours on him, Stryker and GF got their flesh ideas done and now I have my flames!
Used a soldering iron to melt out the majority of the flesh splitting open to allow his flames/power to burst out, then used a scalpel to make it more dry and cracked rather than just gooey. The paint is quite bright as I knew it would be offset by the brightness of the flames that are more orange IRL compared to the more monochromatic red in the pictures. I discovered that I could pull the flames apart which was very useful as it also revealed attachment plugs, so I used a hole puncher to get them to glue in place very securely; this doesn't hinder the articulation at all as the armour is only connected to the abdomen of the torso allowing the chest to still rotate freely and the flames are a soft plastic so any possible conflict of parts won't be a problem. The eye is yet to be built so the pic just shows the additional flame parts that will plug the holes in its sides only resting next to the now empty eye flaming 'capsule'.

Awww man, you just killed it! It was looking so good till you added them. Plastic flames are so pound shop. Ah well.....

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Rogerbee wrote:Awww man, you just killed it! It was looking so good till you added them. Plastic flames are so pound shop. Ah well.....

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FFS...jeez..good morning to you too!

Just because you don't like to push the envelope doesn't mean I have to play it safe and be boring! Besides how the hell would you do flames? Don't just say you wouldn't because how could we have characters like Ghost Rider or or The Human Torch etc.. in 1/6 figure format? Let me know when you see a HT, Medicom or SSC Ghost Rider in your pound shop and I'll send you a tenner to get me loads!

I don't want to be blamed for anything -- I've always had complete faith that you know what you're doing. I do think it is looking good, and I imagine the flames would look better on the full figure. When I first saw the artwork, I actually wondered if you would come up with some mind-boggling way of integrating a light within the torso. But that might be overkill, or completely impossible.

GubernatorFan wrote:I don't want to be blamed for anything -- I've always had complete faith that you know what you're doing. I do think it is looking good, and I imagine the flames would look better on the full figure. When I first saw the artwork, I actually wondered if you would come up with some mind-boggling way of integrating a light within the torso. But that might be overkill, or completely impossible.

Not impossible, a lot of work though, I've actually done that before around four years ago, a completely illuminated fire covered figure using EL Wire inserted all around the insides of a transparent upper body and flames, head etc.. Done a LOT of EL Wire work in 1/6 over the years!!
Don't forget he'll be sitting down in a throne so the most predominant parts on display will be his torso and helmet.













Finished figure not lit up though, check out the links below for that, I've also done some mods since prompted by suggestions in the feedback.



http://www.onesixthwarriors.com/forum/sixth-scale-action-figure-news-reviews-and-discussion-/801331-my-finished-custom-extremis-fire-ninja-lightup-dio.html

http://www.onesixthwarriors.com/forum/sixth-scale-action-figure-news-reviews-and-discussion-/750311-im-extremeis-fire-ninja-wip-3-30-14-armour-light-up-eyes-working-head-flames.html

Almost forgot the updates! F**k this has been a stressful week! Got medical crap to deal with too and more bureaucracy .
Had to cut off two of the front horns to make room for the flaming eye but didn't loose them just drilled two holes further forward to 'replant' them. I still need to do a black ink wash on the helm with some different silver too, then wire the whole thing up and hope both LEDs function in series properly and fit the eye inside the flames then seal those holes with more flames etc..oh yeah, then work out how to attach the bloody thing! Weighs a tonne! I could use it as a doorstop!

That fire ninja figure is absolutely amazing (I had never seen it before). I knew if anyone could do it, it would be you. On Sauron, if you were to apply any of this (but I don't think you would want to go back to it now), you would only really need to do it on the torso (and illuminating the plastic fire certainly makes it work). I hope your Sauron would still retain the theoretical ability of standing and assuming different positions, even if you plan to keep him enthroned (I suppose one wouldn't want something this heavy to topple over). And looking forward to the darker wash on the helmet -- it will make it fit in with the overall look even more closely. Hope your health takes a decisive turn for the better.

Had to redo the helmet wiring for 'The Eye' as a cable broke internally. All working now with both lights and sounds working in unison when the push button switch decides to co-operate that is....old electrics..yay... The helmet has had a black ink wash, still needs a bit of silver drybrushing but it's attached properly to the helmet neck joint now with full articulation (as with the rest of the body). 'The Eye' is mounted and has the flaming capsule glued together but I still haven't plugged those holes on it with flames yet. Did his nails in basic black as I got fed up being indecisive about them. There are pics of him sitting below to give you an idea of how he would look on a throne (imagine him holding a big staff weapon as well and an axe or something else I haven't thought of yet in his other hand, I'd say a big chalice would be cool but not sure how he could drink from it! ). The pauldrons still need to be done, I have some nice chain and spikes as well as some bones etc.. to decorate them before a repaint.

Ok, let's see the finished figure and we'll see, you have a habit of pulling things off at the end.

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Light that monster up!

Yes, it already looks so good. As I suspected, the more complete the figure, the better the flames look. If there is an easy way to swing this, getting a little bit of light into these flames would really make it pop.

Rogerbee wrote:Ok, let's see the finished figure and we'll see, you have a habit of pulling things off at the end.

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Not even sure If I like them any more quite frankly!It wasn't so much that you didn't like them, I knew you you wouldn't and even said so in advance but it was more how you said it, it was like a gutpunch after a long night's work! You seriously need to work on your tact and phrasing mate I'm sure I mentioned that before like in the Vulture thread. I'm a temperamental anxious depressed agoraphobic artist with social anxiety (unless I'm drunk then I'm a bull in a china shop more like you   ) and tend to be very thin skinned about my work as it's a lot of 'me' put into it so I take it personally. Don't give a s**t about a lot of things now a days but my work is about as passionate as I get including my gun builds    

Stryker2011 wrote:Light that monster up!

GubernatorFan wrote:Yes, it already looks so good. As I suspected, the more complete the figure, the better the flames look.  If there is an easy way to swing this, getting a little bit of light into these flames would really make it pop.

I'll try EL Wiring it and see how that looks, if it's crap I might just redesign the torso armour and go more geometric looking as one thing Stryker's comment about thinking it was flesh not armour, made me realise that it's way too ergonomic for Mordor armour! To quote Paradise Lost (one of my favourite bands not the poem) "It's in the art of the process", I've had that engraved on many silver bracelets of mine as a mantra to cope with depression.

Moving on... used lighter silver gain to highlight the helmet and match the other parts. I'm working on an EL Wire solution for the flames but I may need to make some custom flames to pull it off properly, the existing flames will at the very least need to be dremelled out to insert EL Wire to make them bright enough for the EL Wire to be of any use at all. If it all fails or looks like shite I'll just build him some new torso armour, no big deal.

Done a bunch of dremelling to hollow out what was a solid piece of plastic so I can have it in 3 parts spread open over the torso replacing parts of the armour they cover and inserting EL Wire behind them. I'll still be using the smaller flame parts but the pics just show the general idea without those or the armour having been cut yet or the larger flame pieces being stained yet with inks too match the other flames and tidy them up. I finished 'The Eye' and those flame 'plugs' blend in nicely.

The helmet's looking gorgeous. As for the armor and body flames, I imagine whichever way you go would be nice. A heavier armor for the ruler of Mordor would not be out of place (all my impressions are based on the movie, and I think the best look we had was in the very first LOTR film in which the ring was cut off together with his finger). There was nothing on fire there until Sauron went nuclear after the ring was cut off. Then again, you have other sources of inspiration, and I love in particular your integration of the Eye atop the helmet. It seems to me that the illuminated body flames might need dremelling only near the base -- images of flames often show them lighter/whiter there, and more colorful and darker near the top and edges; and I assume they are translucent enough to carry some light through the undremelled portions. But you're the one with the experience in this.

GubernatorFan wrote:The helmet's looking gorgeous. As for the armor and body flames, I imagine whichever way you go would be nice. A heavier armor for the ruler of Mordor would not be out of place (all my impressions are based on the movie, and I think the best look we had was in the very first LOTR film in which the ring was cut off together with his finger). There was nothing on fire there until Sauron went nuclear after the ring was cut off. Then again, you have other sources of inspiration, and I love in particular your integration of the Eye atop the helmet. It seems to me that the illuminated body flames might need dremelling only near the base -- images of flames often show them lighter/whiter there, and more colorful and darker near the top and edges; and I assume they are translucent enough to carry some light through the undremelled portions. But you're the one with the experience in this.

Love that Sauron meme! I'll be posting that on FB!
If you consider the timeline this is a while after Sauron had the Ring cut off so he's still recuperating but also building his power so he would be in a semi-physical form in my mind at least since he's sort of halfway between his peak of power and his earlier self (before he had the power of the One Ring) which means it doesn't matter which way you like to think he looks at either end as long as one is physical and the other is ethereal..does that make any sense?
As for what you said about the lighting of the flames that is correct and exactly what I'm doing .

shovelchop81 wrote:Love that Sauron meme! I'll be posting that on FB!
If you consider the timeline this is a while after Sauron had the Ring cut off so he's still recuperating but also building his power so he would be in a semi-physical form in my mind at least since he's sort of halfway between his peak of power and his earlier self (before he had the power of the One Ring) which means it doesn't matter which way you like to think he looks at either end as long as one is physical and the other is ethereal..does that make any sense?
As for what you said about the lighting of the flames that is correct and exactly what I'm doing.

Happy to be of help, meme-wise (I was using it for the photo, so I can't really take credit). Yes, what you say makes sense. As for the flames, I'm happy to have deduced it correctly. I figure that as long as you get some light in there, they will no longer suffer from the (simplistically put) orange-piece-of-plastic look that I think Roger is objecting to. Not that you should pay him (or me) any mind -- you are obviously more talented than either of us (unless Roger is hiding some masterpieces of his own that I don't know about).

GubernatorFan wrote:

How true. If Peter Jackson had stuck closer to the books, think how absolutely BORING those movies would have been. All the coolest action in the films, took place mostly "off-screen" in the books; the Battle of Helms Deep was one chapter and was skimmed over so quickly; it took place over a 45 minute spread in the movie. Tolkien may have been an amazing World Creator, but he was a boring, long-winded writer in dire need of an editor. And what was with all the completely unnecessary songs/poems? Thank God they cut Tom Bombadil and most of the Ent-Moot stuff out of the movies. If it isn't moving the plot forward, remove it. Like Jackson said in his behind-the-scenes dialog, if what happened on screen wasn't helping to get the ring from Point A to Point B, it didn't belong in the movie (Tolkien could have benefited from that same thought process, and that book would have been half the length, and far more entertaining).

Anyway. This Sauron is looking pretty cool. But I want to see this bad-boy in full glory. (And by the way, I never meant for you to change the torso color; I was just pointing out where my own, unimaginative, mind went). It's your figure, my friend. Do what you want with it. I'm sure it'll be amazing.

Anyway. This Sauron is looking pretty cool. But I want to see this bad-boy in full glory. (And by the way, I never meant for you to change the torso color; I was just pointing out where my own, unimaginative, mind went). It's your figure, my friend. Do what you want with it. I'm sure it'll be amazing. wrote:

Thanks Stryker! I agree with you about the books having read them although they were a huge leap story wise from The Hobbit, how Jackson managed to turn that into 3 great films was magic itself! Still could have done with a little less Frodo and Sam time meandering around a mountain though in the LOTR trilogy.
As for the colour change it was well pointed out, like I said in a post above if you hadn't said what you did I might not have noticed how ergonomic an non-Mordorish it looked! As for the flames idea we'll see what happens and if I don't like the results I'll just build him some more angular armour with rune like detailing etc..