really nice looking figure. I missed out on the 1st 2 due to lack of cash, but still hoping to pick them up. Will pick this up too. Won't comment on anything about historical as lot of farbies around lol
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blackpool wrote:As for the historical accuracy, I don't want to throw water on hot stones but sorry @shazzdan there are some evidences of use of bracers or forearms protections in the roman army (dunno where you got that they were never ever used in the whole roman history lol)
While not a part of the regular gear at first, the manica is the most famous example of arm protection used in the roman army, its origin is gaulish though, and it was used by gladiators at first. it consists in bent plates of iron which cover the foream, or the full arm, sometimes even up to the shoulder head. The roman army lately used the shorter version called "lorica manica" which was an extension of the "lorica segmentata", the common chest armor.
blackpool wrote:As for the historical accuracy, I don't want to throw water on hot stones but sorry @shazzdan there are some evidences of use of bracers or forearms protections in the roman army (dunno where you got that they were never ever used in the whole roman history lol)
While not a part of the regular gear at first, the manica is the most famous example of arm protection used in the roman army, its origin is gaulish though, and it was used by gladiators at first. it consists in bent plates of iron which cover the foream, or the full arm, sometimes even up to the shoulder head. The roman army lately used the shorter version called "lorica manica" which was an extension of the "lorica segmentata", the common chest armor.
Evidence of the use of these manica can be found on various legionaries tombstones which used to be engraved and decorated with sculptures of their armors and weapons. The most famous being Sextus Valerus Severus, and Gaius Annius Salutus.
Out of the military, leather straps, wrists bands, and such were and still are commonly used by stone, iron, or wood craftmen, butchers, wrestlers, athletes... In fact their use became less common in some works done by slaves during the roman era. But there are evidences of use of leather straps and wrist bands from before the roman era (the egyptians come to my mind first)
shazzdan wrote:
What does a segmented manica have to do with these Hollywood leather wrist bracers?
GubernatorFan wrote:
You are right about use outside the military, and if you include archers, you would be right about the use of leather bracers in the Roman military. The non-Roman use isn't really the point here (and the supposed Egyptian arm defenses may have been elaborations of decorative bracelets anyway -- though I'd have to double check), nor is this anything like the manica proper, which is a sleeve covering the whole arm and carrying armored metal segments -- but this is not a manica. You can scroll up and read for more details, but basically none of the evidence that is available and none of the serious published reconstructions that I am aware of (and apparently shazzdan) gives such lower arm bracers to legionaries in general or aquilifers in particular. I really do think they tried to make the figure more interesting and the outfit more complex by adding the bracers and the shin guards to it -- they certainly look cooler than the bracelets or torques they might have actually worn. The good thing is, as I suggested above, that it is a cool figure and can be very easily modified to achieve accuracy -- if one wishes to do so -- by removing any offending and inaccurate pieces of equipment.
scalawag wrote:For gods sakes people, if you don't like the arm braces when you buy it leave them off, and if you do like them leave them on.
For the love of mike it's a plastic doll, not a treatise on the dress of a Roman Standard bearer.
Paul
blackpool wrote:being accurate to contemporary military is one thing, being accurate from what we think we know about the roman military 2000 years ago, that's another thing... But you proved you know it all bro
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