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1WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty WIP: Tiny resin head mod Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:36 am

Peaches

Peaches
My  goal?  I have on pre-order two Phicen/TBLeague 1:12 bodies.  I got so excited seeing these tiny realistic looking bodies in the hand, I couldn't resist.  I wanted to see what could be done to get even more realistic heads to put on these bodies, and discovered someone selling Marvel recasts, so I bought a few hoping to get one or two to work.  I feel pretty confident I'll get all 4 to work barring an accident. I will undoubtedly enjoy the heads that come with these bodies, but really want to expand their range.

So, I got a resin recast of a Marvel Mary Jane Watson head.  It was cast with the hair in place, which is too bad, as all I wanted was the head,  so I had to remove the hair.  I am not a patent person, still I tried to see if I could take the hair off with my exacto knife.  Unfortunately, it would have taken hundreds of little whittling cuts, and I aint about to take that long, LOL. I took some needle nose pliers to pull off the hair, see how that would do.  It did OK except a spot that was attached to the cheek made a hole in the cheek.  This should be very easy to fix with Apoxy putty.

I totally forgot to take a picture before I started, but this is the head from the seller's sales page on ebay:

WIP: Tiny resin head mod 31893666277_70d4749758_zphoto from ebay seller by ingiebee, on Flickr

So, so far, needle nose pliers are not so good because it's hard to pull pieces off (man that resin is hard and tough!) and there is very little control.

Next I took out my rose pruners, LOL, yes, rose pruners.  This worked out pretty nicely.  I could cut around the head pretty close and pretty controlled, if you just use the sharp side to scrape off the hair , you can get it pretty far along!

WIP: Tiny resin head mod 46782694212_93793cfd2e_zReplicated Marvel Mary Jane Watson in resin by ingiebee, on Flickr

WIP: Tiny resin head mod 46782694782_8bea1b3f9f_zReplicated Marvel Mary Jane Watson in resin by ingiebee, on Flickr

An the next step was to shave her hair into the shape of a bald head. I used an exacto knife for this, and the sculpt or else casting left divots on the other side of her head as well.  I'll use Apoxy putty for that as well.  I also carved out her ears a little bit.  Looking at this, I just don't see the point of smoothing this out.  I figure since I'm going to glue hair on her, that it's good enough.  We'll see if my lazy ways will bite me in the arse Wink

WIP: Tiny resin head mod 46782693922_d6ea5b151b_zReplicated Marvel Mary Jane Watson in resin by ingiebee, on Flickr

WIP: Tiny resin head mod 45920338335_7308756a6d_zMarvel 1:12 head Mary Jane Watson by ingiebee, on Flickr

None of this took me very long, I'm not a patient person. I'll have to use my patience when it's time to make clothes for these girls!  Ugh!

Next up, Apoxy repair

Neck fitting (I'm going to have to wait until the bodies arrive to finish this up unfortunately)

Then paint and hair

2WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:54 am

Stryker2011

Stryker2011
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Have you thought about sand paper to smooth out her skull some more before applying the real hair? I'd be afraid of hacking off a finger if I were using pruning sheers.


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3WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:11 am

blackpool

blackpool
I suggest using "green stuff" modeling paste for the rest of the head, small corrections and mainly the hair, it's a bi-component resin that dries with air, no oven cooking needed or anything. The great quality of it is it stays smooth for about an hour depending on the temperature, and it keeps some elasticity even once dried, a bit like the plastic they use for hasbro weapons or 1/6 shoes and boots...

WIP: Tiny resin head mod Green-stuff-resine-verte-en-bande-36-5-pouce

4WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:31 am

skywalkersaga

skywalkersaga
Ooh, thanks for having the guts to do this, Peaches! It's actually looking promising so far (despite the holes, lol). And lol, I'm not a very patient person when it comes this stuff either... Razz

blackpool, that is a very helpful suggestion, I can see that coming in very handy for many projects!


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5WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:18 am

Ephiane

Ephiane
Can´t wait to see your finish 1:12 figures. I use milliput Yellow - Grey. If You want to give them real hair, i use mohair that for. Good LucK

6WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:20 am

skywalkersaga

skywalkersaga
Ephiane wrote:Can´t wait to see your finish 1:12 figures. I use milliput Yellow - Grey. If You want to give them real hair, i use mohair that for. Good LucK

Ephiane, I am always so impressed by the hair (and beards) on your 1/6 figures.... would you ever consider writing more about your process? (No pressure if not, I understand! : ) )


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7WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:10 am

Ovy

Ovy
Let's hope the Mary head will fit perfectly to your phicen!
I also bought some 1/12 heads recently for my Bandai Stormtroopers. I ordered more than I needed because I was not sure of their real sizes. But while most do fit very well, some seem much smaller or much bigger in scale, or in comparison to a 'normal sized' figure.

Back row: Mike colter, John Hamm and Arnie. Quite large.
Middle: Christian Bale is a bit bigger than the others, but otherwise they fit perfectly well.
Front: Very small, somehow too tiny for Stormtroopers in armor. It's an unnamed female head,Will Smith and Coulton.
WIP: Tiny resin head mod A3HQOd2

8WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:00 pm

Peaches

Peaches
neat! I got two heads cleaned up now, and will probably keep my ponytail heads as they are unless I screw up one of these, LOL. I like two of a kind so I can photo them together at the same time. I do plan on mohair, @Ephiane and I do think my Apoxy putty will work similar to milliput and the Green Stuff, and since I already have some... Smile

There are two reasons to avoid sanding, @Stryker2011, the most important is that I'm lazy, the other is creating dust. LOL, I was going to see how Apoxy will do as you can smooth is really well with a wet finger. Still, there are spots on the chin or nose that could use smoothing, so I probably will go outside, put on the dang mask and do a bit of sanding Very Happy

BTW, this stuff is super hard and not brittle enough! LOL, really was hard to get the big hair off the Phoenix sculpt! Ugh! I can't wait to paint them, but it will have to wait until I get the bodies and fit the heads :/

Thanks for looking guys, and thank you for the encouragement! I appreciate it!

9WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:38 pm

PureEnergy


Say, what size are those Head Sculpts?  In any case, your project is ambitious - especially since we remain as yet uncertain as to what precise proportions these little figures will have.  

Not unlike surgery, eh?  LOL...  Patience is probably requisite...  

Personally, I’ve used a razor knife and the soft drum tip of a Dremel to remove sculpted hair for “rooted” transplants on 1:18 Heads, followed by light sanding - which, unfortunately, just might be inevitable, dear lady.   Neutral

As Blackpool had originally recommended, I have to agree on Green Stuff as a preference for sculpting, as it provides a relatively long work time while hardening, and is yet suitable for sanding or painting rather quickly.

Looking good here, Peaches, and I anticipate your next update...

10WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:11 pm

skywalkersaga

skywalkersaga
Peaches wrote: I do plan on mohair, @Ephiane

Ooh, can't wait to see!  ^.^


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11WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:18 pm

Peaches

Peaches
I have zero patience and arthritis, thus the rose pruners, ROFL. I was about to get out the branch pruners with the long handle on the phoenix head! The originals have hard hair, but it comes off. These resin casts were done with hair affixed. But I managed it. Yah, the razor knife (exacto blade) just couldn't handle the toughness of thick resin, but it's what I used on the head after I got most of the stuff off. You can "peel" thin layers off with it.

These sculpts are really dang small, I think recasting them made them slightly smaller, maybe?? You're right, I have no idea if they'll fit the little bodies I'm waiting for and I'm going to have to wait to paint them until those bodies arrive just to match the color. And I'll probably have to wait on for the hair as well Sad but when I got into painting my husband's D&D game minis, I was wishing they would make them just a little bigger, so you could add better details... and these heads are exactly the size I wished I could get! Hubby got a giant, which I thought was a great size too, like 3 or 4 inches tall Smile

Yah, I'm afraid of the dremmel though, as I might not have enough control to keep from digging a hold. I'm resigned to sanding now that I've puttied the heads to smooth things out. I'll probably try to do it by hand.

Next step I did was add a bit of putty. The first head had a chunk taken out of her cheek and a bit of a rough chin and a spot on her cheek. The Phoenix had IMO too much of a Neanderthal forehead, LOL so I added a bit of putty and we'll see if I can get a smooth forehead on her. My daughter's school is right next to a hobby shop, I'm going to have to find some really fine sanding tools before I pick her up Smile In fact, I'm on my way now Smile

WIP: Tiny resin head mod 46790956732_3709fb8b14added Phoenix by ingiebee, on Flickr

WIP: Tiny resin head mod 46790956222_dab3048af2added Phoenix by ingiebee, on Flickr

LOL, funny, the one who's cheek I pulled a hole out of has less putty than the one that I managed not to damage! But the chin was so rough, it seemed like she was supposed to have a beard... and head was lopsided, and didn't like the forehead... she's all covered now!

12WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:39 pm

PureEnergy


Those Head Sculpts appear to be 1:18, in which case, they will not likely fit those roughly 6” Phicen figures…

That is, unless you’re going for this look…


WIP: Tiny resin head mod Ppr110

Bless her heart...


With any such propensity for microcephaly aside; your sheer aspiration itself is impressive. I truly hope that my interpretation of proportions will be wrong.  You’re certainly honing skills, in any event…

Incidentally, inasmuch as you are a sister here, your hubby is a brother; I grew up playing D&D and have always carried over a degree of that into my custom artistry.  For instance, each figure is also a character which fits within an RPG, created for whatever theme I’m developing.  I can go deep here, designing specific statistics and mechanics which will govern the whole within a custom gaming system.  Then, and only thereafter, does it become storyline - with each character’s personal arc intertwining under the overarching scheme...  

Needless to say, that game has had an enduring effect on me…  Ah, how much easier my playtime would be were it not for AD&D; although, indeed, how much less gratifying…

Very Happy


Anyway, regards to both of you - and best of luck with this particular endeavor, Peaches...

13WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:55 pm

ReverendSpooky

ReverendSpooky
We've really seen a rise in 1/12 scale in the last couple years, and nice to see more options, like these head recasts, opening up. If this was years ago, I might have gotten in to it as a more affordable option to 1/6. And there are so many dollhouse supplies already made for this scale. Good luck! Looking forward to seeing how this comes together!


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14WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:12 pm

Peaches

Peaches
Life is too short not to have fun!  LOL

Well, here is a shot with a Dawn doll.  Dawn dolls are 1:12/6" and being a doll, has an over-sized head Very Happy  I was worried these heads might be too big! It looks a little larger than in reality in that picture though. And look at those old hands! OMGosh, they need lotion, I never take care of the poor things, then I see a picture and think OMG, they're going to crumble away!

WIP: Tiny resin head mod 31904584337_bf9f5ac4e8closeup by ingiebee, on Flickr

15WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:16 pm

Peaches

Peaches
ReverendSpooky wrote:We've really seen a rise in 1/12 scale in the last couple years, and nice to see more options, like these head recasts, opening up.  If this was years ago, I might have gotten in to it as a more affordable option to 1/6.  And there are so many dollhouse supplies already made for this scale.  Good luck!  Looking forward to seeing how this comes together!  

Aw thanks, I just sometimes have a hankering for tiny things, LOL.  But the truth is I like it all.  I don't do stories well, though I've always wanted to.  I've started a 1/6 diorama because these AFs have inspired me.  There is a good chunk of stuff out there for 1/6 now too!  Until recently I only knew of GI joe and Barbie, and have always wished for a Barbie that could move like GI Joe as a kid many thousands of Summers ago Very Happy  I really love realism/realistic something that makes you look twice, and this forum has tons of that!  I absolutely love it!

Last crapy night photo of the day, LOL On the Dawn Doll body - still no guarantee that it'll work, but hopeful...

WIP: Tiny resin head mod 46794006052_b5722acb1bHead on Dawn body by ingiebee, on Flickr

16WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:20 am

skywalkersaga

skywalkersaga
Aww, your Dawn doll is super cute, Peaches! And the modified Marvel headsculpt looks pretty good on it!

I'm with you in loving *all* sorts of miniature things. When I was younger my fave was dollhouse size, because it was far more realistic and 'to-scale' with itself than the over-simplified and garish Barbie stuff.  But at the moment I lean toward 1/6  for a wide variety of reasons, not in the least because I prefer the amount of detail that is possible with not only the surroundings and accessories, but also with the figures themselves. Dollhouse miniatures are *adorable*, and often highly realistic, but then even the most detailed of 1/12 dolls themselves seem to have a limit. 1/6 raises that limit quite a bit higher (for me at least), and I find it all the more satisfying to have a doll and/or figure that 'matches' the quality and aesthetic of their surroundings in that way. It's not even so much the level of 'realism' (as realism is not always my goal) as it is the sheer amount of *detail* that is possible in 1/6 that does it for me.

Which is not to take away anything from this thread or project of course -- your mods to those 1/12 heads are already far more ambitious than anything that my own meager skills would allow. I'm looking forward to seeing them finished , whichever bodies you end up using! ^.^


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not as a contradiction, but as a transcendence of the universal tragedy of man."

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17WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:27 am

Peaches

Peaches
I agree totally! It's just those phicen/tbleague figures look so alive in the hand, LOL.

18WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:52 pm

ReverendSpooky

ReverendSpooky
Peaches wrote:
ReverendSpooky wrote:We've really seen a rise in 1/12 scale in the last couple years, and nice to see more options, like these head recasts, opening up.  If this was years ago, I might have gotten in to it as a more affordable option to 1/6.  And there are so many dollhouse supplies already made for this scale.  Good luck!  Looking forward to seeing how this comes together!  

Aw thanks, I just sometimes have a hankering for tiny things, LOL.  But the truth is I like it all.  I don't do stories well, though I've always wanted to.  I've started a 1/6 diorama because these AFs have inspired me.  There is a good chunk of stuff out there for 1/6 now too!  Until recently I only knew of GI joe and Barbie, and have always wished for a Barbie that could move like GI Joe as a kid many thousands of Summers ago Very Happy  I really love realism/realistic something that makes you look twice, and this forum has tons of that!  I absolutely love it!

Last crapy night photo of the day, LOL  On the Dawn Doll body - still no guarantee that it'll work, but hopeful...

WIP: Tiny resin head mod 46794006052_b5722acb1bHead on Dawn body by ingiebee, on Flickr

I totally get that. I have a few 1/18 projects as well, and I can't resist the lure. And the smaller scale is a great opportunity to go bigger, with stuff like environments and vehicles.

If the new Phicen is sized at all like like that doll body, I think you have a good fit for scale. I imagine Mezco's Marvel 1/12 line is a big part of the scale's recent popularity, so I wouldn't be surprised if Phicen was aiming to make theirs compatible, both for costumes and heads.


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19WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:37 am

Peaches

Peaches
being a little afraid of sanding details, etc... I needed to see if my seams were any good.  I gave them a light dusting of primer, which popped out all the flaws so I can see where I stand Smile  I also picked up some finer sand paper sponges that I didn't have on hand yesterday when I was doing this.  Anyway, a little paint will make the seams pop nicely if you need to see how you're doing Smile

WIP: Tiny resin head mod 45943778845_f12fb18875_zlight dust of primer by ingiebee, on Flickr

WIP: Tiny resin head mod 31917020397_f70752a0d0_zlight dust of primer by ingiebee, on Flickr

I didn't work on them today, just spritzed the primer this morning and took the pictures Smile cyclops

20WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:56 am

Stryker2011

Stryker2011
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Cute dress. Kind of reminds me of something you’d see on the original Trek.


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21WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:18 pm

Peaches

Peaches
LOL, yes, @stryker2011, it does. It's supposed to be a marching band baton twirling outfit I think Smile I've been out all day, and I want so much to work on these heads but it looks like it'll have to wait until tomorrow. No light like sunlight!

22WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:16 pm

Stryker2011

Stryker2011
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Okay. Now that you say that, I can see it. Do you have a baton to go with her?


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23WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:23 pm

Peaches

Peaches
Nah, she be very old Razz

24WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:47 pm

Peaches

Peaches
And so today I tried sanding more. I'm really afraid of losing detail, and I think I'll stop here and go ahead and paint at this point. Here is after last sanding:

WIP: Tiny resin head mod 39944997203_abd4cf627bmore filling and sanding by ingiebee, on Flickr

And here are the girls after a dose of primer:

Mary Jane:
WIP: Tiny resin head mod 39944996933_71f59c84bdMaryJane3 by ingiebee, on Flickr

And Phoenix:
WIP: Tiny resin head mod 46184873474_327c55575fPhoenix1 by ingiebee, on Flickr

All I have is a phone camera and the sun was so darn bright! She's a bit fuzzy. But I am excited to ruin paint them Very Happy

25WIP: Tiny resin head mod Empty Re: WIP: Tiny resin head mod Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:09 pm

skywalkersaga

skywalkersaga
They are looking really good! ^.^


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