NEW PRODUCT: HHMODEL & HAOYUTOYS: 1/6 Empire Series - Carthage Infantry Moving Puppet #HH18045

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HMODEL x HAOYUTOYS : 1/6 Empire Series-Carthage Infantry
Barcode:6974202930172
NO.HH18045

configuration list:
-1/6 head sculpt
-New movable body
-8 replacement hands
clothing:
- Jacket
- Pants
-Helmet (metal)
-Wristband
-Belt
- shoe
-Armor
Accessories:
-Long sword (metal)
-Spear
-Shield
-Round platform
























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I have to say I really like the head sculpt on this and the other HH/H figure I put up.

Looks like a Samnite mercenary, with the triple disk cuirass. Interestingly, I don't think the Samnites figured that much in Carthage's mercenary infantry armies.

Would be neat for a company to make a series of figures based on Hannibal's army- Iberians, Celts, Numidians, Libyans, etc. to go alongside the Romans.

Stryker2011 wrote:I have to say I really like the head sculpt on this and the other HH/H figure I put up.

I agree with you. Both HS's are pretty neat, especially this one. It's based on Tom Cruise, right? Are these figures based on a movie?

Hope I can grab a HS loose for an... OK-ish price.

I don't think this one is based on a movie. Carthaginians are a natural choice in principle, but not in practice -- we know very little of their appearance, although there is some consensus that much of their forces was largely equipped like Greeks, and also contained large proportions of Greek, Iberian and other mercenaries. This one looks a lot like an Italian, especially a Samnite in terms of equipment. With some fantastical additions as usual. But I like it.

This is what I found on the figure from this book:










This is the text that accompanies that illustration:




So, he's meant to be an Oscan mercenary from southern Italy.

Just really need to remove the obligatory bracers.

ZIP on the BBICN forum has updated the specs to indicate that there's more metal used than was first listed.

Clothing:

- Jacket
- Pants
-Helmet (Metal)
-Wristband
-Belt (Metal)
- Shoe
-Armor (Metal)

Accessories:

- Long Sword (Metal)
-Spear
-Shield
-Round Platform

The head looks like the lovechild of Tom Cruise and Eric Bana. ;p

skywalkersaga wrote:The head looks like the lovechild of Tom Cruise and Eric Bana. ;p

Good call.

The Roman dragon bearer also reminded me of a (bad) Tom Cruise in some photos.

But this is the better Tom Cruise. lol

Thanks again, Asta. I have this book but funny enough I was checking Early Roman Armies in the same series instead, where there is some very similar Samnite armor. That Oscans should have worn it too is not surprising. This time at least the greaves are accurate to the source, even if the vambraces are still fictional add-ons.

I agree with Mark, good call, Sky.

GubernatorFan wrote:Thanks again, Asta. I have this book but funny enough I was checking Early Roman Armies in the same series instead, where there is some very similar Samnite armor. That Oscans should have worn it too is not surprising. This time at least the greaves are accurate to the source, even if the vambraces are still fictional add-ons.

I agree with Mark, good call, Sky.

As you say the bracers are out of place. The only other thing is the armour is larger than depicted in the illustration, with the lower part covering his belt. Though in reality that would be dependent upon the size of the person it was originally made for. Might look better if it could be pulled up a bit higher.


I did a search for Osprey books on Carthage today and was able to download five of them as pdfs  from here:

https://vk.com/wall-167473784_1050


EDIT:

While I was looking through the books there was a passage in one of them that mentioned warriors who could only afford one leg greave, and wore it on the leading leg. This struck me as something that carried over into the classes of gladiators, which were inspired by types of warriors from the past. The Murmillo, Provocateur and Secutor only wore a single greave.

According to the Early Roman Armies volume, there was a period when Romans infantry typically wore a single greave (on the shield leg). But earlier hoplites would have worn a pair, if they could afford it.

GubernatorFan wrote:According to the Early Roman Armies volume, there was a period when Romans infantry typically wore a single greave (on the shield leg). But earlier hoplites would have worn a pair, if they could afford it.

This came up again in a search this morning - the wiki page on greaves:

While it is generally assumed that greaves were always worn in pairs, there is evidence that many wore just a single greave on the left or right leg. Many skeletons have been found buried with only a single greave, including gladiators and soldiers.[2]

Yes, that feature appears to be typical or peculiar to Romans during a certain period of development. Hoplites -- at least originally -- had to meet certain wealth (property) qualifications to serve (in fact these were only formally waived at the end of the 2nd century BC), and one of the purposes of this was so that they could afford their equipment. But armies also experimented with arming more, then less, then back again. Early hoplites had pairs of greaves, later in the Roman army they must have gone down to a single one (unless centurions?), later yet none (unless centurions), etc. It is possible some transition from each typical practice to the next also took place.

By the way, thanks for the links. I didn't have a couple of these titles, and they came in handy. I see what you mean about the overly lengthy/large armor overlapping the belt.

GubernatorFan wrote:Yes, that feature appears to be typical or peculiar to Romans during a certain period of development. Hoplites -- at least originally -- had to meet certain wealth (property) qualifications to serve (in fact these were only formally waived at the end of the 2nd century BC), and one of the purposes of this was so that they could afford their equipment. But armies also experimented with arming more, then less, then back again. Early hoplites had pairs of greaves, later in the Roman army they must have gone down to a single one (unless centurions?), later yet none (unless centurions), etc. It is possible some transition from each typical practice to the next also took place.

Interesting. Thanks for posting that.

GubernatorFan wrote:By the way, thanks for the links. I didn't have a couple of these titles, and they came in handy. I see what you mean about the overly lengthy/large armor overlapping the belt.

I found a site a year or so back where I managed to save hundreds of Osprey books. The name just came back to me and I found it again with the search for Heavy Cavalry:

https://docer.pl/doc/xe58155


The captchas are in Polish but the language is so similar to English I could guess what pictures they wanted clicking. lol


With the large armour, I'm willing to overlook it since this is such a rare subject. High quality, expensive armour would no doubt have passed from father to son, and so on. This guy had a big ancestor!

I've read the same happened in the Roman army, so there wasn't always complete uniformity at any one time as some legionaries were equipped with older, inherited designs.

I found the armor this is based on in Early Roman Armies. Their reconstructions shows it long enough to cover the belt, although (next to it) other armor of similar type was not. In their reconstruction, only one greave (one that matches!) is worn.

GubernatorFan wrote:I found the armor this is based on in Early Roman Armies. Their reconstructions shows it long enough to cover the belt, although (next to it) other armor of similar type was not. In their reconstruction, only one greave (one that matches!) is worn.

Good find!

The armour looks to have the exact same designs on it as the bronze version, but is in a larger scale. So likely drawn from the same archaeological find, unless they found multiples of this one in difference sizes.

I noticed in some of HH/HY's photos they'd pulled the armour up higher so it didn't cover so much of the belt.


The shield also looks smaller than in the other illustration, and HH appear to have gone for that smaller version too.

Yes, these pieces of armor did come in various sizes and a variety of detail. If you download that book, the black and white illustrations after the color plates include a look at the real thing, laying out the front and back and connecting elements. It was Italian but found in the territory of ancient Carthage, seemingly confirming its use by Italian mercenaries in Carthaginian service. The shield they provided for the figure is different from any in this illustration, being a true oval.

GubernatorFan wrote:Yes, these pieces of armor did come in various sizes and a variety of detail. If you download that book, the black and white illustrations after the color plates include a look at the real thing, laying out the front and back and connecting elements. It was Italian but found in the territory of ancient Carthage, seemingly confirming its use by Italian mercenaries in Carthaginian service. The shield they provided for the figure is different from any in this illustration, being a true oval.

The shield is patterned after the illustration with the bronze armour, but in size looks closer to this one.

I found the book here:

https://docer.pl/doc/ns1s5se

Love these ancient figures! Waiting for the inevitable Hannibal himself.

ahbake wrote:Love these ancient figures! Waiting for the inevitable Hannibal himself.

That 1/6 baby elephant from the Persian (?) figure might make a reappearance. lol

Asta wrote:That 1/6 baby elephant from the Persian (?) figure might make a reappearance. lol

LOL that will be unfortunate, unless they seriously upgrade the detail and also at least a little bit the size. Actually Hannibal's own elephant, at last, was an Indian elephant, so it should be full sized.

GubernatorFan wrote:LOL that will be unfortunate, unless they seriously upgrade the detail and also at least a little bit the size. Actually Hannibal's own elephant, at last, was an Indian elephant, so it should be full sized.

I felt sorry for the poor little thing.  

Asta wrote:I felt sorry for the poor little thing.  

I think we all did!