NSFW Deterioration or tearing of Phicen / TBLeague body surface

Hello friends! I just thought it would be interesting to share pictures of what it looks like when a Phicen/TBLeague body deteriorates through the years. This one is very specific to the Phicen S02 Tan (the original tan, not the new suntan version) that was released back in 2014. Out of all my TBLeague/Phicen dolls, only this S02 model suffered such horrible deterioration! All of the others I have, from 2015 and onwards, haven't even suffered from tears or oil leaks.

As for how she was posed, since she was my very first Phicen doll, I only left her at the neutral standing pose majority of the time. The only time she moved around was when she starred in some toy comics. No extreme poses taken at all because I read about its limitations from the original user manual (which they don't seem to include anymore).

2014



Fresh out of the box, the S02 Tan model looked so fresh and beautiful! Very perfect, no tears or weirdness. Even Obama in the background was shocked!



During Thanksgiving, her initial luster or freshness seems to have gone. She needed powdering from time to time.

2016



Two years later, she developed a weird tear on her right foot. Her metal skeleton poked out!



Fortunately, silicone glue managed to heal her torn foot. Unfortunately this cure wouldn't last long and it needed to be reapplied every few months or so.



Around this time, I also started to notice that the meat/silicone on her arms and elbows seem to be getting more loose, unlike before when it was still firm.

2017



The arm looseness worsened and somehow developed into full on wrinkles. It's like the right arm was shrinking, therefore exposing more of the metal joint that connects to her hand.

2018



The arm looseness and "shrinkage" somehow became tears on her arms. I decided to buy a Jiaou Doll body to replace her original, damaged S02 body.

2019

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I decided to keep the original S02 body because I don't like throwing my old toys away, even if they got damaged. I thought it would also be interesting to see what would happen as the deterioration advanced. Well here you go. Strangely, her right breast seems to have developed some sort of impression or loss of mass. Her arms are definitely noticeably more wrinkled and later, you'll see how badly damaged they are. There are also yellowish discolorations on her body, which is probably oil. I actually had to clean her up before taking the picture because there was TOO MUCH oil and it was yucky to touch! When I dabbed tissue on her, the tissue turned yellow! It was that bad!

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Her right arm developed a weird rectangular tear and there's a lot of oil leaks here. There also seems to be weird puncture-like holes on the side of her body if you'll look closely.

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You'll notice that the left arm seems to have become very thin. If you touch it, it feels like it's almost just "skin" there, the "meat" seems to have gone elsewhere or disappeared. A lot of oil leaks here as well.



Her right leg is also excreting oil.



The same goes for her left leg.



Her right foot has gotten worse. You can't even glue that anymore due to how big of a mess it's become.



Her left foot is also following the lead of her right foot, at least when it comes to deterioration. It's weird how it has a square-shaped chunk of meat that's about to get torn off. A tear has definitely begun at the bottom and it'll get bigger soon.



The worst part is the 80s/90s Blazer Shoulder.

That's it for now, I hope you found the deterioration of the S02 body through the years to have been quite informative (or terrifying).

Do you own an original S02 Tan? If you do, has your S02 also suffered the same fate as mine?

Wow. I have several of those bodies, and none of mine look like that. Environment must play into this, as mine have all been in virtually the same temperature and humidity for years.

Hmmm, that is disturbing. Very disturbing. And interesting/confusing. I have an S02 or two, and neither of them is in anything like this shape. In fact, hoping not to jinx it, they seem to have held up just fine. Admittedly, they have spent most of their time in their original boxes and then in ziplock bags, in both cases accompanied by silica packs. But it is not as if they weren't dressed up and posed for photo shoots and left out for a few days or weeks at times. I'm sorry you have run into this issue, but I do hope it is fairly exceptional. By the way, I assume you meant S02 throughout, not S02 and S09?

Oh yeah that's only S02, everybody else is happy in their neutral standing position lol!

They've all been together in the same environment as well. I never placed them back in the box since I like seeing them standing around or doing stuff. Temperature here in California varies from super hot during summer to very cold during winter. All they're ever exposed to is the occasional baby powder to smoothen them and remove dirt and that's it. Definitely no sunlight since I don't even have windows (plus that'll be bad for the other smaller toys).

When I first got Phicen Shi/Ana Ishikawa (my second Phicen doll), it felt strange because it's like the material used was different. She's firmer or "fuller"/meatier and she doesn't have any loose meat at all, even now. Maybe I just got a badly made S02 or maybe whatever ingredients they were using for this batch were already running out/becoming less effective. I bought her from Big Bad Toy Store.

Whooa, that is crazy. And hella creepy. I feel like she could star in some kind of horror diorama at this stage... ;p 

I dearly hope that this level of deterioration is indeed limited to the older models, as some of my tbleague bodies have been sewn into outfits and this kind of erm, 'leakage' would destroy my unique custom 1/6 clothing... 

And lol, yes, I am way more worried about 1/6 clothing getting damaged than I am about the actual bodies. Bodies are replaceable, one-of-a-kind clothing is not.

Poor S02 could be like a horror character from The Thing. The wrinkly, slippery, wobbly skin could deform and a new face would show up there!

"Hello, I am new head! Give me custom clothing!"

That is horrifying!

chrisinbama wrote:That is horrifying!

Luckily, it appears to be a pretty rare problem.

I'm likely the odd man out here as far as not been a fan of these kind of bodies, but this is precisely the reason why I've never bought one. To me the investment in $ is hardly justifiable. My BBi/CY Girls/DML female bodies are over ten years old and not a break in them. For my military/PMC bashes, which more often than not wear long sleeves and pants those bodies are perfect. I am saddened though by the number of collectors & enthusiasts who will see their figures go this way. My guess is that this is the price to be paid when you want a seamless, jointless body.

PitViper wrote:I'm likely the odd man out here as far as not been a fan of these kind of bodies, but this is precisely the reason why I've never bought one.  To me the investment in $ is hardly justifiable.  My BBi/CY Girls/DML female bodies are over ten years old and not a break in them.  For my military/PMC bashes, which more often than not wear long sleeves and pants those bodies are perfect.  I am saddened though by the number of collectors & enthusiasts who will see their figures go this way.  My guess is that this is the price to be paid when you want a seamless, jointless body.

Again, it appears to be a very rare problem, and we don't fully know if there weren't some special circumstances affecting it. Knock on wood, I haven't seen anything like this even with my oldest Phicen so far. Of course, these bodies are what, up to 10 years old now (if that), and who knows how any of them will hold up a few decades down the line.

PitViper wrote:I'm likely the odd man out here as far as not been a fan of these kind of bodies, but this is precisely the reason why I've never bought one.  To me the investment in $ is hardly justifiable.  My BBi/CY Girls/DML female bodies are over ten years old and not a break in them.  For my military/PMC bashes, which more often than not wear long sleeves and pants those bodies are perfect.  I am saddened though by the number of collectors & enthusiasts who will see their figures go this way.  My guess is that this is the price to be paid when you want a seamless, jointless body.

It's understandable you don't want to use tbleague bodies if you are mainly doing military stuff. They just aren't necessary for that. I think tbleague and seamless bodies in general fill a particular niche [mainly for use with figures that require more skin showing], and some people like to go all out and use them for all their figures. But of course they aren't everyone's cup of tea, nor are they practical to use for every single figure -- at least not for me. It took me a really long time to come around to these figures, and even now I am not certain I want to invest in them exclusively. I still like regular plastic bodies and use them as well.

Thankfully, the issue experienced with this early Phicen body doesn't seem to have carried over onto the later models. Also note that certain conditions like humidity can have an effect on that side of things. That said, there are of course still some issues with the silicone seamless bodies, especially when it comes to putting too much pressure on the joint areas and leaving them in extreme poses for long periods of time, which can sometimes cause strain, wear, or even tears. They are nonetheless amazingly poseable and can be rewarding to photograph in said poses, but when stored or displayed are probably best kept in less extreme or neutral poses, which again, is perhaps not everyone's cup of tea.

Anyhoo, I think it's just one of those things that suits some collectors'/customizers' needs, and not others. And that's perfectly ok.

Thanks for showing. I´m sorry for that

I'm in shock! This is a big silicone problem. And that's why I keep them at attention.

Oh , I'm sorry for you, it looks disastrous!

My first Phicen body was a S01 and it is absolutely fine (all my S01/S02). I am very careful with them - cool, dry, no sun and very bent positions only during the photo shoot.

Thank you for sharing your experience - I never would have suspected anything like that ...  

That sucks, it's strange (well not really) how plastics and stuff like that reacts differently, I've had some stuff that have gone super sticky to the point they are useless but my favorite has to be a pair of boots, same boots, same brand (dragon) one pair is still very soft and easy to put on and take off, the other is rock hard and the only way to soften them a little is hot water + hair dryer.

Strange. I have an S02 that I used for a Leia as Jabba's Prisoner custom and I haven't seen anything like that. She's been sitting on the edge of dias for years with no rips tears holes or...this.

Apologies if I'm not on the right forum/subforum but anyways...
Any ideas/suggestions on how to fix this?


I bought this Phicen/TBLeague M35 doll mainly for drawing purposes 3 months ago and I will admit I'm not great on regularly taking care of it. I left it lying on my table for a few weeks when I took a break with drawing. After I got back to it, I posed the doll a little bit, not realizing it was creating cracks at the back. I'm not sure what caused this but I'm assuming this was because of the silicon rubber being dried up since I haven't cleaned it for a while. I washed it up water and it seems fine to pose now. However, the damage is still there and I'm really upset on how noticeable it is.

I don't think there is a way to repair it. Get a new one, but try to learn from prior experience what caused this in the first place. Was the figure in a curled up position stretching these parts while it was resting on the table for weeks? Had you tried to clean it with anything other than soap and water? Was it already very tacky and you had not applied protective powder? The only thing similar to this I have witnessed is when I had a body part flexed while applying MarkAll markers to the surface -- it created a bunch of little round pits and holes in the stretched part of the surface. Not sure it was the same thing, but it is possible your figure came into contact with something that was part of the same substance. The good news is that it is likely that the damage would not get any worse (provided you treat the figure carefully, wash it and apply protective powder); display it clothed so you don't see the damage.

Hello and welcome. So sorry to see the damage to your m35. To understand what's happened to it, it might help to know a bit more about the conditions its been in. If it has been left lying out in the open air, exposed to heat/moisture/sunlight, it could be partly due to that. As GubernatorFan noted, it can also sometimes happen if you leave it in a particular pose for too long, or if it has come into contact with some kind of corrosive substance. Likewise, if the protective powder it came with has worn off, it will be more susceptible to damage. When you're not using the body, it's probably best to pack it away and store it somewhere (either back in its original box, or in a cupboard, or sealed in a ziploc bag or something) in a neutral position. I realise that's not helpful for the present circumstances, but hopefully will prevent the same thing occuring in future.

Aw, I see. I was hoping a silicon rubber adhesive would fix it. But thank you for the response anyways.
I used to just wash the body with water whenever it gets to dusty, and then coat it with starch to remove stickiness. Other than that, I don't think I have applied anything else.
As for the position, I was aware of never leaving the body in extreme poses and so I left it in a neutral A-pose, lying horizontally on the table- thinking nothing bad would happen other than dust accumulating aha...
And as for the environment, I just left the body on a table in my bedroom. Not exposed to sunlight. I'm not sure about the temperature and moisture inside my room, but what I know is I live in a tropical country- normally 31°C outside and the room only uses a spinning fan. Not sure if that's helpful.

All right Mr. SCHWARZENEGGER, just spread your legs apart and this will be all over soon *snap goes the latex gloves*

Sorry couldn't help it. But humidity isn't that friendly to silicone and will cause cracks, rips, and tears to the TBLeague Bodies overtime

I wouldn’t wash it too often if I were you. There’s no telling how many times you can successfully do so before removing any natural/necessary oils in the material. Use a makeup brush (obviously one just for this purpose) to brush off any excess lint. The only reason to wash them is if you plan to color them or they get stained. Otherwise, it really shouldn’t be necessary.

And as thegreatshaggy said, humidity (too high or too low), and sunlight, are death to these things.

Yes, if you need to remove lint from the body, you can use masking tape or something to gently pick it up. If any of the protective powder comes off during the process, just add it back afterward (I use a soft makeup brush to apply the powder).

I don't think there is a solution, once the silicon is lost it's flexibility it is done for.

In my observation it is caused by lubricant sealing failure.

Somewhere inside the lubricant started to leake, which first discolored the figure.

I suppose that you keept the figure in standing position, If that is true then we have an answer to the leg, most likelly the lubricant poured down by gravity and the silicon got damaged and lost it's flexibility.

since by time to time you used and posed the figure later on the leakage is increased as probably the damaged seal is opened further causing the damage on the arms, upper torso.

For me it is seems like eighter factory or other damage like dropping the figure on hard material. (Not necessary your fault)

Sad to have an issue like this.