skywalkersaga wrote:Wow, that's quite a resource for smaller male headsculpts, GF. Will have to come back to use as reference in future.
Just trying to be helpful. As long as no one expects me to upload all these photos
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skywalkersaga wrote:Wow, that's quite a resource for smaller male headsculpts, GF. Will have to come back to use as reference in future.
skywalkersaga wrote:Well, it's VERY helpful! And don't worry, no pics needed -- you provided plenty of info to go off with just the descriptions. Thanks for that.
Joe Friday wrote:I almost ordered one of these a while back. I have been looking on eBay for one of these bodies and can only find the clothed body version. I was wanting to get this hairy seamless body and actually root body hair onto the belly, chest and armpits.
Joe Friday wrote:I asked a well known hair rooted what kind of glue he would use and he said Rocket glue. He then said he'd touch it up with some matte sealer just in case the glue left a glossy sheen to it.
But I believe I failed to mention to him that the body was not going to be your standard hard plastic material. I wonder if that would make a difference.
rollotomasi wrote:I'm very impressed with realistic looking body. The "hair" paint apps, looks just about perfect for me, Worldbox could learn a thing or two from that.
Apologies if i missed it in your write up, so he's also rubber below the waist?
skywalkersaga wrote:That's frustrating...he should have hairy legs as well, lol! ;p
Theboo-bomb wrote:The body looks cool, the head as you said is a bit big plus I personally feel like it doesn't go well with the body.
actionfiguremovies2 wrote:I think he looks very cool. I like the Cruise head better than Logan. Also seem a step up body wise.
asgardianboy wrote:Thanks to everyone involved for your insight, that Tropic Thunder flick, which I wasn't aware of, being the most precious!! OMG!!
- the ADD Toys War Wolves body: as far as internal proportions go, there is something very wrong about this body, and it is not only the heads being way too big... It is the legs. Way too long and thin for a dude of this caliber. Don't you think guys? Just look at the body as a whole on one of those pictures and you'll see.
BTW: can anybody report on colour matchability of this body with common headsculpts? The Tom Cruise is clearly paler than the WW body. Even the original Wolverine head is not a perfect match (too yellow wrt the body).
- TBLeague in general: even if they have come a long way on male bodies (the only iterations I have witnessed, I got too late to the party with female bodies), I would only consider the latest entries as more or less realistic. I mean M34, M35 and the 2 M36s. From there backwards, I find them lacking even when compared to older entries such as Hot Toys Hell Boy, which in my view still is breathtakingly realistic and a benchmark for seamless bodies. Then, there are other issues that seem to be unsurmountable, such as nonexistent nipples, long-term durability (lower than it seemed, by recent accounts) and above all, overall body colours. Not that I am an expert, but after some years loosely monitoring these things, I still have to see a picture showing a perfect match of a Phicen male body with an off-the-shelf head sculpt, Phicen bodies being way too rosy to match the yellowish skin tone headsculpts usually sport.
I am still waiting for TBLeague to release another milestone fixing these problems and enter a new era. I could use the M33 (for its arms) and the M34/M35, but not until the fix skin colour (which they don't seem to be inclined to do). Meanwhile, and luckily, other players are certainly hitting Phicen hard with nice innovations: this ADD Toys body is way more realistic than any of Phicen's attempts, and the painted details only add to its superior quality. Unlickily, very wrong internal proportions keep me from picking it up. I am dying to buy seamless bodies, but I won't until they are more mature.
- Edation body: I had missed this one! I can't afford it, especially in the light of bad reviews, but in my view, this is the way to go. No visible ankle/wrist articulations is the grial, not a doubt about it in my head. Needless to say, bendy hands have always been the way to go for me too (all those replacement hands in HT figures... :-( ), me hoping that better sculpts and engineering might help bendy hands to become more easy to pose, and above all, realistic when bent (they are not yet). Alas, durability concerns are certainly scary. Losing a whole body because of a single finger's rubber cover breaking, would be too much to swallow. On the light side, the benefits sound like a wet dream: poses with bent feet (if shoes are flexible enough to allow this), any hand pose achievable (for increased expressivity), no seams in sight... wow......
I do hope Edation further iterates their bodies. And if anyone in the room can shed more light on these, please do!
Finally, I'd like to call your attention on this body
https://bbts1.azureedge.net/images/p/full/2015/12/WOB10010_i.jpg
Has any of you tried it? How good was skin colour match? Is there an actual paintjob on the seamless arm sleeves? What about articulation? And durability?
skywalkersaga wrote:Thanks for your input, asgardianboy. I agree that tbleague has quite a few improvements to make, but I'm personally not bothered in the slightest about having totally seamless bodies, for many of the reasons GF stated. But also because I'm perfectly contented to 'hide' the joints when necessary, especially since most of my figures are clothed anyway.
Where I feel tbleague needs to improve is in overall body SHAPE, for both female and male bodies. I don't mind the existing body shapes, but I'd prefer to have a LOT more options in that regard. Tbleague have at least been trying to branch out a tiny bit more with the female bodies in the last year or so, adding a 'buxom' body and some others, but still a bit behind on variety with the male body shapes. Would be nice to have somewhat more versatile 'normal' looking male bodies, for sure.
And we won't even get started on lack of skintone variety. That being said, for now it suits my purposes just fine to use the oil pastel technique to colour bodies in the variations I need.
Headsculpts not matching perfectly is another that.... doesn't really bother me?? I can understand why some people are focused on this, but at the same time... the nature of heads being hard plastic while the bodies are soft silicone means that the light will always be hitting them slightly differently. Probably the main way to get as close as possible to reducing that effect would be to use a matte spray on the headsculpts, like Mr. Super Clear matte varnish. Even then it might not mean the light hits exactly the same, but it might help. Other than that, I'm happy to repaint my sculpts to match bodies when necessary.
With male sculpts, I think some Hot Toys skintones look fine enough with the male tbleague body colour.... at least, when I've compared them in-hand and in photos, the match is 'close enough' that it passes for me. But of course everyone's mileage varies, as does everyone's eye for detail and colour.
As for durability, again, I can understand people's concerns about this, and of course would not recommend going around swapping all bodies to tbleague bodies if one is worried about them not lasting a long time. But for making a custom figure from scratch, I find them perfectly adequate so far. I'd rather create a figure that fits my specifications that will last two or three years before having to potentially replace the body, than never make any figure at all. In some cases, this is the dilemma I have found myself in, and because I am keen to work on certain characters, using these bodies is a risk I'm willing to take. If someday there's a better and more durable option for seamless bodies, then I will go through my customs and try to upgrade them. Until then... I'm happy to take the chance. : )
Re: the WorldBox body, if it is the AT025, then it's one I'm also eyeing up to potentially purchase. I haven't quite decided yet, but if I do go for it I'll report back.
asgardianboy wrote:
I have sent emails to Phicen asking for other builts and skin colours. To no avail.
You can't always cover the wrists/ankles.... :-(
Your tip to "dull up" the head is noted. Light reflection indeed is a very important factor. Thanks! ;-)
I understand you see the business case for your Phicens.
If you ever get the AT025, let us know!
Heads matching Phicen bodies should be more. If restricted to a few heads, the joy of kitbashing with these bodies gets hit. Phicen should fill the colour gap!
Thanks,
m.
skywalkersaga wrote:asgardianboy wrote:
I have sent emails to Phicen asking for other builts and skin colours. To no avail.
You can't always cover the wrists/ankles.... :-(
Your tip to "dull up" the head is noted. Light reflection indeed is a very important factor. Thanks! ;-)
I understand you see the business case for your Phicens.
If you ever get the AT025, let us know!
Heads matching Phicen bodies should be more. If restricted to a few heads, the joy of kitbashing with these bodies gets hit. Phicen should fill the colour gap!
Thanks,
m.
Sorry they have not responded to your emails about the skintones and body shapes, that's unfortunate. Hopefully they will 'get the memo' all the same and eventually branch out more. The lack of skintone variety is especially eggregious at this stage -- they really should be aiming for more diversity on that score. And I know people will say that this is because 'there aren't any matching headsculpts out there for PoC skintones', but that's not really an excuse. I say that because tbleague does occasionally change their recipe for their standard skintone colours, as we have recently noted in a thread here, and I have likewise noticed that certain headsculpt companies will then change their paintjobs on the heads to 'match' better. I noticed this with the Natalie Portman PT001 headsculpt that started out with the previous 'greyish' tbleague suntan skintone, and then the later ones had different paintjob that matched the newer, more reddish suntan tone. My point being, that if they can change the colour so subtly, then surely if tbleague came out with more skin colours, the headsculpt companies would immediately start putting out heads to match them. Just my feeling anyway. So there isn't really a good reason not to do this, from what I can tell...
And I hope I didn't come across as dismissive about headsculpt-matching issue in general, but just wanted to give the perspective of someone who uses them more for certain types of custom figures where perhaps that side of things is not such a big focus. Of course, everyone's needs and requirements in this hobby vary, and for the sake of those who wish for complete perfection with the skintone matches, I do hope that tbleague/phicen will eventually provide more sculpts. Though again, sometimes whether heads 'match' or not truly is in the eye of the beholder, so even if a company thinks they have made a 'match', it might not look so to us picky customizers and collectors! :'D
asgardianboy wrote:skywalkersaga wrote:asgardianboy wrote:
I have sent emails to Phicen asking for other builts and skin colours. To no avail.
You can't always cover the wrists/ankles.... :-(
Your tip to "dull up" the head is noted. Light reflection indeed is a very important factor. Thanks! ;-)
I understand you see the business case for your Phicens.
If you ever get the AT025, let us know!
Heads matching Phicen bodies should be more. If restricted to a few heads, the joy of kitbashing with these bodies gets hit. Phicen should fill the colour gap!
Thanks,
m.
Sorry they have not responded to your emails about the skintones and body shapes, that's unfortunate. Hopefully they will 'get the memo' all the same and eventually branch out more. The lack of skintone variety is especially eggregious at this stage -- they really should be aiming for more diversity on that score. And I know people will say that this is because 'there aren't any matching headsculpts out there for PoC skintones', but that's not really an excuse. I say that because tbleague does occasionally change their recipe for their standard skintone colours, as we have recently noted in a thread here, and I have likewise noticed that certain headsculpt companies will then change their paintjobs on the heads to 'match' better. I noticed this with the Natalie Portman PT001 headsculpt that started out with the previous 'greyish' tbleague suntan skintone, and then the later ones had different paintjob that matched the newer, more reddish suntan tone. My point being, that if they can change the colour so subtly, then surely if tbleague came out with more skin colours, the headsculpt companies would immediately start putting out heads to match them. Just my feeling anyway. So there isn't really a good reason not to do this, from what I can tell...
And I hope I didn't come across as dismissive about headsculpt-matching issue in general, but just wanted to give the perspective of someone who uses them more for certain types of custom figures where perhaps that side of things is not such a big focus. Of course, everyone's needs and requirements in this hobby vary, and for the sake of those who wish for complete perfection with the skintone matches, I do hope that tbleague/phicen will eventually provide more sculpts. Though again, sometimes whether heads 'match' or not truly is in the eye of the beholder, so even if a company thinks they have made a 'match', it might not look so to us picky customizers and collectors! :'D
TBLeague doesn't even have to go multicolour. They only need to provide neutral tone bodies, different colour dye kits, and a colour guide showing how to achieve different usual skin colours (I think it is a thread on OSW on which they are successfully dyeing Phicen bodies with Rit Dye, and Phicen really should read that one).
m.
asgardianboy wrote:I have sent emails to Phicen asking for other builts and skin colours. To no avail.
You can't always cover the wrists/ankles.... :-(
Your tip to "dull up" the head is noted. Light reflection indeed is a very important factor. Thanks! ;-)
I understand you see the business case for your Phicens.
If you ever get the AT025, let us know!
Heads matching Phicen bodies should be more. If restricted to a few heads, the joy of kitbashing with these bodies gets hit. Phicen should fill the colour gap!
silverfox7119 wrote:Hello friend, Do you have decolorize issues of this figure? when i got it in first day, i unbox it just get a few touch and then i noticed it color are started fading! even it getting worse after that... this is how ridiculous for me! contact supplier still not reply... i felt like being cheated!
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