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251Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:45 pm

GubernatorFan


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Update on painting silicone seamless bodies (Phicen/TBLeague) with Paint Markers

We already have viable options for painting a silicone body (or sizable parts of it) -- my preference being to use oil pastel. But when it comes to smaller and finer designs on the body, that seems almost impossible to use -- you are unlikely to get the pastel sharp enough, and if you do it will break off immediately, and even if you got past that hurdle, you would end up smudging your design when you try to rub it into the surface. That is why, for painting hair and tattoos, I turned to alternatives. The Uni Pin Fine Line fineliner drawing pen works very well but only when applied directly to the silicone surface (one that is not colored with oil pastel already) -- see Post 192 above. Oil-based ink Pilot drawing pens worked quite well onto the oil-pastel-colored silicone surface, but required multiple and vigorous massages with clean dry paper towels to get the ink to stop transferring -- see Post 205 above. So I was still looking for a better option, as I embarked upon a second custom seamless Darth Maul project.

I experimented with a variety of Paint Markers, both oil-based and acrylic, but they had a tendency to smudge or rub off or crack and flake off -- see Post 1 above for acrylic. I finally turned to industrial markers, harder to find and often more costly. Repeated testing demonstrated that the Markal Pro-Line XT paint marker (now Xylene free) was the best solution. It does have some drawbacks -- Xylene free or not, you should use it in a well-ventilated area; it dries fairly shiny -- although that is largely offset by the eventual application of protective powder; when you stretch a painted area, the paint from the marker can crack like acrylic does, but generally not as much and it does not flake off or rub off (it did in just a couple of perhaps lightly painted spots, for example where the top of the harder plastic foot kept rubbing onto the bottom of the silicone lower leg -- it is very easy to fix with another spot application); worst of all, the marker's tip is quite wide (and there are no other sizes available in that line), so I had to flood tiny pools of marker paint and dip a toothpick into them to painstakingly paint smaller details. You can see the result below.

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Some words of caution: beyond using this in a well-ventillated space, I would say reserve it for smaller areas and details, not for a whole base color (because of the potential for cracking); also, when applying it to the silicone body, make sure the areas you are covering are in a non-stretched position at the time of application -- stupidly thinking that it would preempt cracking, I tried applying the marker to a stretched area of a test subject body, and it caused a bunch of little holes to appear (presumably melting the thinnest silicone areas and releasing air bubbles?) on the surface.

For Maul 2.0 (pictured above with the marker), I used oil pastels for the base color of the body (there is such a thing as going too far/rough with the make-up sponge, so don't get carried away), Markal Pro-Line XT paint marker (or its ink) for the body markings, underlayers of red and black Markal Pro-Line XT paint marker and overlayers of Vallejo acrylics mixed with Liquitex ultra matte medium (thanks for the suggestion) for the harder plastic hands and feet. More photos HERE (Post 39).

I hope this is useful.

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252Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:41 pm

Stryker2011


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That looks pretty good, Guv. How did you manage to get the ink out of the marker to use with a toothpick?

253Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:14 pm

GubernatorFan


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Stryker2011 wrote:That looks pretty good, Guv. How did you manage to get the ink out of the marker to use with a toothpick?

Thank you very much, glad you like it. Like acrylic paint markers and some others, before you can use the Markal Pro-Line XT paint marker, you need to shake it up, open it, then press the tip against some surface, pumping it up and down a few times until you see the paint imbuing it and making a mark. Then you're good to go, and need to repeat this once in a while when you find your marker running dry. But if you overdo the pumping, you end up with so much paint coming out, that it makes a little pool of ink on the surface (strangely, it dries faster on a plastic baggie than on paper). Anyway, that is how I got the ink out to use with the toothpicks.

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254Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:04 am

Ephiane


Absolutely fantastic work and results here ! My Compliments ! Sorry, I don't see all the great stuff in all the other threads, because I only watch the "General Talk". I will look here now often. Please show more.

Edit : Where's Aayla Secura? Is she finished and I just missed the thread like so much other fantastic threads I missed here ?

255Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:19 am

GubernatorFan

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Ephiane wrote:Absolutely fantastic work and results here ! My Compliments ! Sorry, I don't see all the great stuff in all the other threads, because I only watch the "General Talk". I will look here now often. Please show more.

Edit : Where's Aayla Secura? Is she finished and I just missed the thread like so much other fantastic threads I missed here ?

Thank you very much, Ephiane. The other photos are HERE (post 39), I think you saw them. And if the question was meant for me, I haven't done Aayla Secura, although I recognize her as the lightsaber-wielding Twilek you showed me as inspiration long ago. I'm considering it, now that I know that Kneadatite cures somewhat flexible (lekkus and all -- was that what they were called?). Or maybe you can make Secura, and then we can get her together with Maul for a play date? Or both Mauls? LOL


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256Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:59 pm

skywalkersaga

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Ephiane — I’m indeed in process of making Aayla Secura, but still not finished yet. Need to finish the lekku and paint the head. I have been sidetracked by several other projects as well as life being stressful. I’ll definitely post her in her own thread once she is done. Smile

257Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:02 pm

Ephiane

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Great News, no one will understand that better than me with my 1000 unfinished Projects Very Happy

258Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:04 pm

ReverendSpooky

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Been reading through this thread a bit again, as I was trying to remember what GubernatorFan had used for the tattoos on his epic Darth Maul repaint. I was more interested in the Uni Pin Fine Line fineliner drawing pens you mentioned as you said they worked better on the unpainted silicon. Looking at them on Amazon, the thing that caught my eye was this from the description:

"Uni's high quality "Super Ink" is not only water and light resistant, but also "Tamper-Resistant", meaning that the ink can not be washed of using chemicals and solutions used by people to fraudulently modify documents."

I feel like that might be key to why these work so well on the silicone bodies. I was getting ready to order, but unfortunately, these only seem to come in black, grey and sepia, with no color options that I see. And any color fineliner drawing pens seem to brag about how they are washable, which I think is probably the opposite of what I want here. I even have a few color fineliner drawing pens already, and they suck on seemless bodies. Has anyone found any color ones since the above that they've had better luck with?


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259Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:30 pm

GubernatorFan

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ReverendSpooky wrote:I feel like that might be key to why these work so well on the silicone bodies.  I was getting ready to order, but unfortunately, these only seem to come in black, grey and sepia, with no color options that I see.  And any color fineliner drawing pens seem to brag about how they are washable, which I think is probably the opposite of what I want here.  I even have a few color fineliner drawing pens already, and they suck on seemless bodies.  Has anyone found any color ones since the above that they've had better luck with?

You could try Markal's Pro-Line XT, which is what I used on the oil-pastel-colored body. It does come in multiple colors, though it does not have a really fine point and for small details you would have to do what I did, which is pump some ink out and dip a toothpick (or something thin) into it to apply.

https://markal.com/products/pro-lineandreg-xt


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260Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:16 am

ReverendSpooky

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GubernatorFan wrote:
ReverendSpooky wrote:I feel like that might be key to why these work so well on the silicone bodies.  I was getting ready to order, but unfortunately, these only seem to come in black, grey and sepia, with no color options that I see.  And any color fineliner drawing pens seem to brag about how they are washable, which I think is probably the opposite of what I want here.  I even have a few color fineliner drawing pens already, and they suck on seemless bodies.  Has anyone found any color ones since the above that they've had better luck with?

You could try Markal's Pro-Line XT, which is what I used on the oil-pastel-colored body. It does come in multiple colors, though it does not have a really fine point and for small details you would have to do what I did, which is pump some ink out and dip a toothpick (or something thin) into it to apply.

https://markal.com/products/pro-lineandreg-xt

You did mention above though that it was prone to cracking a bit, which does worry me. A marker or pen type of application just seems like it would be a better bet than anything paint like. But then again, Maul looks like he's held up well. I'll be thinking on this one...


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261Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:55 am

GubernatorFan

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ReverendSpooky wrote:You did mention above though that it was prone to cracking a bit, which does worry me.  A marker or pen type of application just seems like it would be a better bet than anything paint like.  But then again, Maul looks like he's held up well.  I'll be thinking on this one...

If you have a damaged body, or one that you would be keeping permanently covered up forever and ever (like one of my "Death Star Troopers"), you can experiment on that with different options. Cracking is more of a problem/more apparent when you are trying to cover up a more substantial area of the body (for example, if I wanted to paint Maul's red skin with the Markal Pro-Line XT marker instead of with oil pastel) than if you are doing smaller areas or lines. Anyway, if you do stumble upon a better option, do let us know.


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262Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:50 am

GubernatorFan

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I was late to the game collecting a Gamora, but as my ranks of Guardians filled in over time, I went for a head and body being sold loose (didn't want to pay the aftermarket prices for the whole set, or wait for the even pricier second version by HT -- which uses the same sculpt, but repainted). The body was slightly damaged and, more to the point, jointed, so I immediately considered changing it to a TBLeague seamless body. Eventually I did, though painting it was a bit of a challenge -- I had already applied a fairly strong combination of greens before I discovered I had olive green and olive brown oil pastels, and it seems like the silicone's absorption of oil pastel gradually declines/becomes more difficult after a few layers. Anyway, I think I achieved a reasonably close match to the head sculpt in the end (the original body wasn't quite perfect in that respect). And then with the acrylic-painted hands and feet. I hope Ephiane is proud of me... I have finally painted a seamless body green. Smile

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263Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:25 pm

Stryker2011

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Not bad. I wonder if a Rit Dye treatment of green with a bit of yellow would bring it to more of that olive green color of the head sculpt.


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264Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:03 pm

GubernatorFan

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Stryker2011 wrote:Not bad. I wonder if a Rit Dye treatment of green with a bit of yellow would bring it to more of that olive green color of the head sculpt.

Thank you. I'm not comfortable enough with Rit Dye to try, but I suspect getting the right color with that would be considerably harder. It is not 100% now, but I think if I had started with the olive green and olive brown pastels it might have been even more of a match.


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265Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:38 am

skywalkersaga

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Nice job! I like her, even if I do think she'd look even better as a Twi'lek. ;'D


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266Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:07 pm

GubernatorFan

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skywalkersaga wrote:Nice job! I like her, even if I do think she'd look even better as a Twi'lek. ;'D

Thank you very much! Actually I was originally toying with the idea of a Twi'lek, but I will have to sculpt lekkus (or whatever they're called) and I'm not there yet. Perhaps one day I will, and this body can be used for either figure. Smile


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267Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:19 pm

skywalkersaga

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GubernatorFan wrote:
skywalkersaga wrote:Nice job! I like her, even if I do think she'd look even better as a Twi'lek. ;'D

Thank you very much! Actually I was originally toying with the idea of a Twi'lek, but I will have to sculpt lekkus (or whatever they're called) and I'm not there yet. Perhaps one day I will, and this body can be used for either figure. Smile

It's totally fine, I feel you! I'm not 'there' yet either, tbh! :'D


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268Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:03 pm

gooboo


Forgot about this thread. Some more updates on various painting experiments I've done-

Earlier I tried using the oil pastel method and while I had some success at first, I ran into some problems trying to make a realistic, sub-Saharan African skin tone on one of my s28s. The problem I had with the oil pastel method making black skin was that, in my attempts to cover the body completely with various dark brown tones, I would end up tearing the skin of the figure sooner or later. Rubbing the pastel onto the figure and repeatedly rubbing the sponge would eventually cause a little hole or tear on some part of the body. This might not be an issue if you're just applying one layer or color to the figure, but if you want to make a really dark skinned color like I was, and have it cover the body completely, you might run into these issues. I stopped trying to color my s28 dark brown after I tore a few holes.

I read elsewhere about using oil paint on the body in a similar way, and so far it seems to hold a lot of promise. Instead of painting the oils onto the figure with a brush you rub them in like you do with oil pastels, but it's easier on the figure because they're liquid and spread more easily. I'm still figuring out the optimal process with this method, but I'll post a more thorough report when I'm done.

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I think I got a realistic mid-brown skin tone on this figure, but I want to try to get a much darker brown color to match the African looking head I made. The one problem I've run into so far with the oil paint method is it's rather difficult to get a really dark brown color on the skin since some oil paint colors are more transparent than others- specifically, just about every brown color is either semi transparent or transparent. For the picture above I mixed black with cadmium yellow and cadmium red along with some titanium white, which were more opaque than any of my browns out of the tube. It's still not the dark brown color I wanted, so I'll have to see if I can apply another layer of paint once it's dry.

On the other hand, I found that lightening a figure with titanium white works wonderfully. I remember reading somewhere on this thread about white oil pastel not working very well, but that is absolutely not the case with white oil paints. It goes on the figure very well, and since titanium white is very opaque, might only require one or two coats to cover the figure fully.

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This figure was earlier died brown with rit dye, so in theory it should work even better on a pale body if you want to make a white colored figure. Turns out I didn't need to buy that Sinful Suzi body at all.

If you mess up, you can remove the paint from the figure with some solvent. As far as I can tell it's basically the same as oil pastels in regards to permanency. It won't come off with regular handling or a rinse under the sink, but it will start to come off if you rub with soap and water or use any solvent on it. Anyways, that's all I've done for now. When I've tried painting a full figure with this method I'll post again and let everyone know how it went.

269Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:32 pm

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Thanks for the update, gooboo. Given that oil paints are much easier to mix than oil pastels, this is a significant discovery. What do you use to rub the paint in? I haven't had a problem tearing the TPE surface of a TBLeague figure (although I have rubbed it raw on occasion), but I have on Jiaou figures. Perhaps it is a matter of how much rubbing you do with the sponge, how much pressure you use, and how rough the sponge? Also, there are "CRAY-PAS expressionist multi-cultural oil pastel color assortment" packs of 12 colors that may work for your purposes.


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270Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:36 pm

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I've been using a soft make up sponge for both the oil paints and pastels. I had to do a lot of rubbing to get color I wanted, which may have contributed to the tearing of the "skin." If I do attempt oil pastels again I'll be more careful, but I'm waiting to see if I can just use oil paints first.

271Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:05 pm

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I would say the slightly harder consistency of the oil pastel is only part of the problem. If you are trying to blend the colors with the sponge, you may be rubbing the surface too much -- both in terms of pressure and how many times you do it. I suppose in this case, if you need a mixed color, oil paint would be the better choice, is it really works as well. You might experiment whether as much rubbing is necessary, but remember to be gentle or limited with the sponge.


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272Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:09 am

skywalkersaga

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Thank you for yet another great experiment, goo boo! Smile

I also run into the slight tearing issue with oil pastels, but I found that melting them in a ceramic mug first and then dipping the makeup sponge into the 'liquid' prior to rubbing it into the skin makes it less likely to tear. So pretty much the same as oil painting but just 'painting' with the melted oil pastels. Only downside (?) is the melted pastels dry/harden pretty quickly, so you have to keep heating it up in the microwave, which I don't mind but might be annoying to some. ;p

It does seem the oil paint seems to offer somewhat more even coverage on the larger areas, which is good if you are wanting a nude body (I've managed to get ok coverage for the areas of skin I need so far using darker colours like blues and oranges).

And yes, it was me who was having trouble with the white pastels, good to know oil paint is a option there.

Just curious... my main concern with oil paints in general tends to be how long they take to dry. How long until you could tell the oil was totally dry on the tbleague body?


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273Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:47 am

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So far so good. Covering the body in oil paint was much easier than using oil pastel. Coverage is a little uneven in certain spots, but I think just one more coat in certain spots should do the trick. I was originally trying to match the color of the head, but now I think I'll just repaint the head to whatever color I end up with for the body. Much easier that way.

I don't know exactly how long it takes for oil paint rubbed into TPE to dry, but I'll give this one five days and see what happens. Titanium white might take longer since it's a slow drying paint.

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Still, the issue remains about trying to make a very dark brown body. I'm curious to see if it would be possible to put multiple layers of paint on the body without pulling up/removing the underlying layers to make something like an African styled body. Or maybe it would be better to dye the body black first with rit dye, then paint brown on top of it.

274Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:55 am

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The evenness of the skin tone looks good. Let us know how it holds up. How dark a pain did you use to reach this skin tone? I think I managed to go darker with oil pastel.


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275Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:53 pm

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Thanks for the info about the drying time.

And I'm wondering if you could use that black 'Egyptian' tbleague body as a base and paint over it? I'd been considering doing that myself, just with the pastels instead.


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276Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:13 pm

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skywalkersaga wrote:And I'm wondering if you could use that black 'Egyptian' tbleague body as a base and paint over it? I'd been considering doing that myself, just with the pastels instead.

I have wondered this myself. I simply don't know whether the black surface would darken the over-layer of pastel too much, or whether the pastel would end up just being too opaque on top of it, or whether it would work just right. Of course, in itself, the true black of the body -- slightly mitigated by the protective powder -- seems pretty unrealistic for a human skintone. It might be usable if you want to base something on artistic convention -- in Egyptian art true black could be used either as conveying one of a range of sub-Saharan African skin tones or as a symbolic representation of posthumous eternal life; it was also largely the color of some types of granite or other materials used for statuary, and was not always painted over.


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277Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:45 pm

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I'm thinking about painting over the black egyptian body I ordered once I get it in the mail, but it's not really a good long term option for painting more figures in the future since it will eventually go out of stock on ebay and other places, or become prohibitively expensive to buy.

278Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:07 pm

skywalkersaga

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gooboo wrote:I'm thinking about painting over the black egyptian body I ordered once I get it in the mail, but it's not really a good long term option for painting more figures in the future since it will eventually go out of stock on ebay and other places, or become prohibitively expensive to buy.

That's fair enough, though as a one-off I think it would work.

GF -- I think a dark red or dark brown would tint it to a somewhat more realistic colour. At the very least, it's worth a try.


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279Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) - Page 11 Empty Re: Painting seamless bodies (NSFW?) Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:53 pm

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I took one of the bodies that had holes in it and died it a dark black-ish color and tried painting on top of that. This method works beautifully for dark brown skin tones. This is only one, thin layer of paint rubbed onto the body, which would be a lot less work than taking a pale body and trying to make it a dark brown color.

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For whatever reason, whenever I've boiled my Phicens in rit dye I always get these manufacturing marks showing up on the sides of the body.

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If I can figure out how to not get those, painting dark brown bodies wouldn't require a pre-dyed and expensive body like the Egyptian goddess body.

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