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51Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:16 pm

Beautiful work man!! Love all the detail and scratch building! I'd crush the charcoal up so it's in little chips for the forge when you build that, can't wait to see it!

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52Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:15 pm

Ugh, every piece is looking so rad!  I love evrything you've been doing here, and the bellows are epic.  

shazzdan wrote:I could have just made a mock-up but I wasn't going to be happy till I had some bellows that actually worked. The furnace is the last piece of the puzzle. I think I've worked out a neat way to make textured stone blocks using nothing but paper.

Have you considered carving the stone blocks out of insulation foam sheets?  I use it for bricks, and it seems to be the diorama maker's go-to for bricks and stone.

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53Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:32 pm

Yeah, tried that. The texture isn't what I want.


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54Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:47 pm

shazzdan wrote:Yeah, tried that. The texture isn't what I want.

High grit sandpaper works but is a bugger to paint, worth looking into a doll house catalogue or shop to get some of the correctly coloured stuff I remember them selling a long time ago. Or you could try rough sanding the foam pictured above? Will be interesting to see your paper method though.

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55Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:18 pm

Have you given any further thought as to what period you’ll be modeling?  

Crucibles?  

How to replicate metallurgical transmutation in process?  


You’ve certainly begun an ambitious project.  Nevertheless, by the look of those bellows, I’m confident that this will be nothing short of spectacular…  


How about black polyethylene for charcoal?  Clumps of dried, textured paint?  

I suppose that your decisions for such will be dependent in practicality upon the base of the structure and your particular vision of the finished product…  

So…


Will you pick a period?  

Eh?  

Will you?  

Shazz!?  


Seriously, make a decision, would you?  

Will you?  


In the name of all that is holy would you please pick a period?

Wink

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56Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:23 pm

PureEnergy wrote:Have you given any further thought as to what period you’ll be modeling?  

Crucibles?  

How to replicate metallurgical transmutation in process?  


You’ve certainly begun an ambitious project.  Nevertheless, by the look of those bellows, I’m confident that this will be nothing short of spectacular…  


How about black polyethylene for charcoal?  Clumps of dried, textured paint?  

I suppose that your decisions for such will be dependent in practicality upon the base of the structure and your particular vision of the finished product…  

So…


Will you pick a period?  

Eh?  

Will you?  

Shazz!?  


Seriously, make a decision, would you?  

Will you?  


In the name of all that is holy would you please pick a period?

Wink

It doesn't matter as modern Smiths often choose to do work in ancient, classic and medieval ways using all the tools and no electricity! Wink

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57Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:44 am

Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.


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58Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:30 pm

shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.

I think it was just PE's way of friendly teasing, not trying to wind you up or piss you off Wink

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59Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:24 pm

shovelchop81 wrote:
shazzdan wrote:Yeah, tried that. The texture isn't what I want.

High grit sandpaper works but is a bugger to paint, worth looking into a doll house catalogue or shop to get some of the correctly coloured stuff I remember them selling a long time ago. Or you could try rough sanding the foam pictured above? Will be interesting to see your paper method though.

I keep meaning to try sandpaper on the foam, to see if I can get a good texture. Right now, i usually scrape the edge of my knife over the whole thing to rough it up a bit, and it works well for brick (stone might be a different story though). But I look forward to seeing what you do with paper! I'm always up to learn a new trick.

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60Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:59 pm

PureEnergy wrote:Have you given any further thought as to what period you’ll be modeling?  

Crucibles?  

How to replicate metallurgical transmutation in process?  


You’ve certainly begun an ambitious project.  Nevertheless, by the look of those bellows, I’m confident that this will be nothing short of spectacular…  


How about black polyethylene for charcoal?  Clumps of dried, textured paint?  

I suppose that your decisions for such will be dependent in practicality upon the base of the structure and your particular vision of the finished product…  

So…


Will you pick a period?  

Eh?  

Will you?  

Shazz!?  


Seriously, make a decision, would you?  

Will you?  


In the name of all that is holy would you please pick a period?

Wink

shovelchop81 wrote:
PureEnergy wrote:Have you given any further thought as to what period you’ll be modeling?  

Crucibles?  

How to replicate metallurgical transmutation in process?  


You’ve certainly begun an ambitious project.  Nevertheless, by the look of those bellows, I’m confident that this will be nothing short of spectacular…  


How about black polyethylene for charcoal?  Clumps of dried, textured paint?  

I suppose that your decisions for such will be dependent in practicality upon the base of the structure and your particular vision of the finished product…  

So…


Will you pick a period?  

Eh?  

Will you?  

Shazz!?  


Seriously, make a decision, would you?  

Will you?  


In the name of all that is holy would you please pick a period?

Wink

Why should he have to? It's his build, he can do it any way he wants...(can't wait for your "intelligent" answer to this...)



It doesn't matter as modern Smiths often choose to do work in ancient, classic and medieval ways using all the tools and no electricity! Wink  

Exactly! Everything we do now is based off of what was done in the past...each generation adds their own take on a given skill...that's called "progress"...If you look at any good craftsman,no matter his/her field, they know about how things were done in the past and added to it...

shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.

Seems to me that Shazzdan KNOWS what he's talking about...

shovelchop81 wrote:
shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.

I think it was just PE's way of friendly teasing, not trying to wind you up or piss you off Wink

No, he was trying to make himself come off as "superior"....But, honestly? Anyone can Google search anything and answer on a forum and appear knowledgeable..

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61Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:33 pm

Mr. Razz wrote:
PureEnergy wrote:Have you given any further thought as to what period you’ll be modeling?  

Crucibles?  

How to replicate metallurgical transmutation in process?  


You’ve certainly begun an ambitious project.  Nevertheless, by the look of those bellows, I’m confident that this will be nothing short of spectacular…  


How about black polyethylene for charcoal?  Clumps of dried, textured paint?  

I suppose that your decisions for such will be dependent in practicality upon the base of the structure and your particular vision of the finished product…  

So…


Will you pick a period?  

Eh?  

Will you?  

Shazz!?  


Seriously, make a decision, would you?  

Will you?  


In the name of all that is holy would you please pick a period?

Wink

shovelchop81 wrote:
PureEnergy wrote:Have you given any further thought as to what period you’ll be modeling?  

Crucibles?  

How to replicate metallurgical transmutation in process?  


You’ve certainly begun an ambitious project.  Nevertheless, by the look of those bellows, I’m confident that this will be nothing short of spectacular…  


How about black polyethylene for charcoal?  Clumps of dried, textured paint?  

I suppose that your decisions for such will be dependent in practicality upon the base of the structure and your particular vision of the finished product…  

So…


Will you pick a period?  

Eh?  

Will you?  

Shazz!?  


Seriously, make a decision, would you?  

Will you?  


In the name of all that is holy would you please pick a period?

Wink

Why should he have to? It's his build, he can do it any way he wants...(can't wait for your "intelligent" answer to this...)



It doesn't matter as modern Smiths often choose to do work in ancient, classic and medieval ways using all the tools and no electricity! Wink  

Exactly! Everything we do now is based off of what was done in the past...each generation adds their own take on a given skill...that's called "progress"...If you look at any good craftsman,no matter his/her field, they know about how things were done in the past and added to it...

shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.

Seems to me that Shazzdan KNOWS what he's talking about...

shovelchop81 wrote:
shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.

I think it was just PE's way of friendly teasing, not trying to wind you up or piss you off Wink

No, he was trying to make himself come off as "superior"....But, honestly? Anyone can Google search anything and answer on a forum and appear knowledgeable..



Actually, Chop had it correct.  

If taken in context, I suspect that my intentions being only sincere appreciation and lighthearted humor ought to be obvious to Shazz and to anyone else here.  


You know, there are likely articles about internet etiquette that you might perhaps consider reading, sir.  

Your comments are rather inappropriate...

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62Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:36 pm

PureEnergy wrote:
Mr. Razz wrote:
PureEnergy wrote:Have you given any further thought as to what period you’ll be modeling?  

Crucibles?  

How to replicate metallurgical transmutation in process?  


You’ve certainly begun an ambitious project.  Nevertheless, by the look of those bellows, I’m confident that this will be nothing short of spectacular…  


How about black polyethylene for charcoal?  Clumps of dried, textured paint?  

I suppose that your decisions for such will be dependent in practicality upon the base of the structure and your particular vision of the finished product…  

So…


Will you pick a period?  

Eh?  

Will you?  

Shazz!?  


Seriously, make a decision, would you?  

Will you?  


In the name of all that is holy would you please pick a period?

Wink

shovelchop81 wrote:
PureEnergy wrote:Have you given any further thought as to what period you’ll be modeling?  

Crucibles?  

How to replicate metallurgical transmutation in process?  


You’ve certainly begun an ambitious project.  Nevertheless, by the look of those bellows, I’m confident that this will be nothing short of spectacular…  


How about black polyethylene for charcoal?  Clumps of dried, textured paint?  

I suppose that your decisions for such will be dependent in practicality upon the base of the structure and your particular vision of the finished product…  

So…


Will you pick a period?  

Eh?  

Will you?  

Shazz!?  


Seriously, make a decision, would you?  

Will you?  


In the name of all that is holy would you please pick a period?

Wink

Why should he have to? It's his build, he can do it any way he wants...(can't wait for your "intelligent" answer to this...)


shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.

Seems to me that Shazzdan KNOWS what he's talking about...

shovelchop81 wrote:
shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.

I think it was just PE's way of friendly teasing, not trying to wind you up or piss you off Wink

No, he was trying to make himself come off as "superior"....But, honestly? Anyone can Google search anything and answer on a forum and appear knowledgeable..



Actually, Chop had it correct.  

If taken in context, I suspect that my intentions being only sincere appreciation and lighthearted humor ought to be obvious to Shazz and to anyone else here.  


You know, there are likely articles about internet etiquette that you might perhaps consider reading, sir.  

Your comments are rather inappropriate...

study

Nah, I'd rather push bounderies...

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63Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:35 pm

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Mr. Razz wrote:Nah, I'd rather push bounderies...

Guys, play nice. Perhaps you mean things tongue-in-cheek, but nuance is lost in cyberspace, and unless you all de-escalate, you will end up in a shouting match. Pushing boundaries, while part of the Socratic method, is likely to make things worse, especially with insufficient context, and result in drama. I like to keep my drama on the TV screen.


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64Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:22 am

Progress pics of the furnance. I've made it in two pieces to make storage easier.

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65Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:41 am

With regard to the brick work I built a fireplace last year using foam board with the top layer of card removed exposing the foam.

I then scribed the bricks into the foam applied a wash to represent the mortar then, and this is the tedious bit, painted each brick to give the effects of mismatched bricks.

the paint i used was acrylic artist paint but i mixed it with a couple of artist products to give it more texture one was a type of super thick pva paste which gives a raised uneven effect the other was a similar product but gives a matt / sandy texture

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66Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:49 am

Nice work Shazz! Won't the bellows pump handle extention burn?

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67Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:10 am

shovelchop81 wrote:Nice work Shazz! Won't the bellows pump handle extention burn?

The handle is not in a fixed position; like the originals, it can be swung around to the left or right.


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68Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:18 am

shazzdan wrote:
shovelchop81 wrote:Nice work Shazz! Won't the bellows pump handle extention burn?

The handle is not in a fixed position; like the originals, it can be swung around to the left or right.

Interesting, I'll have to research that. I've only noticed crank handles or pulley systems for larger forges. I've seen the lever versions before but never really noticed their orientation to be honest!LOL

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69Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:58 pm

shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.


Put whatever you want into it, Shazz.  If you’re truly not restricting it to any particular era, then it’s rather open to imagination, right?  

If it’s not going to be an historical replica, then you’re entirely free to wing it any way.  

That’s typically my own preference for themes, as well; while I appreciate quality depictions for their accuracy, I feel much more inclined toward the purely imaginative - simply for the sake of creative freedom...  

No matter, this continues to come along quite nicely.

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70Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:53 am

I thought that previous posts show that I'm pretty pedantic about historical accuracy. Every piece I've made has been modelled on actual artefacts. I honestly can't see any substantial differences between a 19th century blacksmith and a medieval one. I can have both by simply swapping out the primary anvil and making a few cosmetic changes.


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71Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:09 am

shazzdan wrote:I thought that previous posts show that I'm pretty pedantic about historical accuracy. Every piece I've made has been modelled on actual artefacts. I honestly can't see any substantial differences between a 19th century blacksmith and a medieval one. I can have both by simply swapping out the primary anvil and making a few cosmetic changes.

Yup, sounds and looks right to me, not sure what PE's on about in this particular instance. Back to crucibles though, they were used by blacksmiths for casting lower temperature metals like bronze, brass, lead, copper, tin etc.. for casting decorative parts or even entire blades gong back a few thousand years lol.

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72Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:16 am

Blacksmiths never worked with anything except iron. Redsmiths worked with copper alloys. Whitesmiths worked with lead and tin alloys. Silversmiths worked with silver. Goldsmiths worked with gold. They all had their own separate guilds and there were rigid demarcation restrictions with breaches being punished with heavy fines or expulsion. Blacksmiths were often forbidden from making weapons, too. There was a separate guild for that, which usually required a special licence from the Crown.


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73Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:50 am

shazzdan wrote:I thought that previous posts show that I'm pretty pedantic about historical accuracy...


Well, yes, of course; we’ve even discussed your persnicketies about such directly, remember?  My take-away had been that, for you, there is a distinction between the historical and the fantastical which ought to be forthright, readily observable, and discernible, in earnest - and that that’s where you had said sprang your most particular pedantic discretion and frustration.  

This, though, being without a set period, seems to be skirting that line; are you reluctant to call it a fantasy project, per se?  Because I had really begun to hope that your lack of a specific would allow you the liberty to go a bit buck wild (your “Mad Scientist Gadgetry" certainly evidences your ability to pull off that kind of creativity with a sweetness).

Regardless of your decision, I’m sure that the result will be excellent - but you have to see the potential that this has as a fantasy piece...  


I’m not trying to put you on the spot here, nor am I telling you what you should or shouldn’t do - as such is absolutely your decision; but these key details which you’ve stated here seem to be of considerable substance to you; and yet, without a distinctly specified milieu - why not simply run amok with it?  

Again, it’s bound to be "fantastic" no matter what you do...  

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74Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:39 pm

shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths never worked with anything except iron. Redsmiths worked with copper alloys. Whitesmiths worked with lead and tin alloys. Silversmiths worked with silver. Goldsmiths worked with gold. They all had their own separate guilds and there were rigid demarcation restrictions with breaches being punished with heavy fines or expulsion. Blacksmiths were often forbidden from making weapons, too. There was a separate guild for that, which usually required a special licence from the Crown.

Obviously I didn't know that so thank you for the education, any idea when that came into effect? I'm thinking about Northern Europe only.

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75Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:45 pm

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shazzdan wrote:I thought that previous posts show that I'm pretty pedantic about historical accuracy...


Well, yes, of course; we’ve even discussed your persnicketies about such directly, remember?  My take-away had been that, for you, there is a distinction between the historical and the fantastical which ought to be forthright, readily observable, and discernible, in earnest - and that that’s where you had said sprang your most particular pedantic discretion and frustration.  

This, though, being without a set period, seems to be skirting that line; are you reluctant to call it a fantasy project, per se?  Because I had really begun to hope that your lack of a specific would allow you the liberty to go a bit buck wild (your “Mad Scientist Gadgetry" certainly evidences your ability to pull off that kind of creativity with a sweetness).

Regardless of your decision, I’m sure that the result will be excellent - but you have to see the potential that this has as a fantasy piece...  


I’m not trying to put you on the spot here, nor am I telling you what you should or shouldn’t do - as such is absolutely your decision; but these key details which you’ve stated here seem to be of considerable substance to you; and yet, without a distinctly specified milieu - why not simply run amok with it?  

Again, it’s bound to be "fantastic" no matter what you do...  

Wink

I've studied historical metalworking and archeometallurgy for decades. After deciding upon this project I narrowed my research specifically to historical blacksmithing. After all that I still can't determine any substantial difference between a 14th century blacksmith and a 19th century blacksmith apart from the things I have already mentioned. If you know any different, something that will force me to select a specific time period, then please tell me.


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76Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:37 pm

shazzdan wrote:
PureEnergy wrote:
shazzdan wrote:I thought that previous posts show that I'm pretty pedantic about historical accuracy...


Well, yes, of course; we’ve even discussed your persnicketies about such directly, remember?  My take-away had been that, for you, there is a distinction between the historical and the fantastical which ought to be forthright, readily observable, and discernible, in earnest - and that that’s where you had said sprang your most particular pedantic discretion and frustration.  

This, though, being without a set period, seems to be skirting that line; are you reluctant to call it a fantasy project, per se?  Because I had really begun to hope that your lack of a specific would allow you the liberty to go a bit buck wild (your “Mad Scientist Gadgetry" certainly evidences your ability to pull off that kind of creativity with a sweetness).

Regardless of your decision, I’m sure that the result will be excellent - but you have to see the potential that this has as a fantasy piece...  


I’m not trying to put you on the spot here, nor am I telling you what you should or shouldn’t do - as such is absolutely your decision; but these key details which you’ve stated here seem to be of considerable substance to you; and yet, without a distinctly specified milieu - why not simply run amok with it?  

Again, it’s bound to be "fantastic" no matter what you do...  

Wink

I've studied historical metalworking and archeometallurgy for decades. After deciding upon this project I narrowed my research specifically to historical blacksmithing. After all that I still can't determine any substantial difference between a 14th century blacksmith and a 19th century blacksmith apart from the things I have already mentioned. If you know any different, something that will force me to select a specific time period, then please tell me.




Well, it’s archaeometallurgy...  Common typo…    

Wink   


In answer to your question about what distinguishes the 14th from the 19th... Um, I don't know; the apparent age of stuff?

LOL.  No, sir, I cannot tell you what you should do, nor has that ever been my intention.  I’d only hoped that you might take such opportunity to rather run free, as I had mentioned.  


It’s nothing personal, brother.  Although, I would imagine that an appropriate response to my compliments might have included a note of gratitude.

Sheesh

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77Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:39 pm

PureEnergy wrote:Well, it’s archaeometallurgy...  Common typo…

Yep. I rarely use the word these days. When discussing it with colleagues we usually abbreviate it to "archmetals".


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78Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:51 am

shazzdan wrote:
PureEnergy wrote:Well, it’s archaeometallurgy...  Common typo…

Yep. I rarely use the word these days. When discussing it with colleagues we usually abbreviate it to "archmetals".


Indeed, the vernacular of tradesmen, and all those unnecessary syllables…  


Just to be clear, due to the title of the thread, since day-one my mind has been rather drawn to images of Conan’s village, and that sort of model (with history notwithstanding, of course); since my own work is entirely of fantasy, that’s just the direction in which my mind had gone - necessarily and most immediately.  

Nevertheless, I am entirely inspired by your replications - enough to perhaps attempt my own forge someday (if rather in my own mythological styling).  


But this certainly continues to impress, Shazz.

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79Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:34 pm

Haven't done much work since Christmas. The weather has been too hot to spend much time in the workshop. December and January were the hottest months on record - weeks of temperatures over 35 deg C (95 deg F). There were a few days around 43 Deg C.

It took me a while to decide how to do the blockwork and got some inspiration from egg cartons. The texture on egg cartons is exactly what I was after. I didn't have enough so I made my own.

Step 1: soak newspaper in water and blend it into a pulp. Mix with a little PVA glue to act as a binder.

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Step 2: Spread out on a screen, press down to compress the structure and squeeze out excess water. Then allow to dry in the sun.

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Step 3: Use boxcutter to cut into strips

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Step 4: Cut into block-sized pieces

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Step 5: Trim with scissors and glue onto object. The paper is pretty absorbent so I needed a lot of glue

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80Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:37 pm

The colour turned out pretty good too; I may not need to paint it. It isn't perfect; I should have done the sides first and then added the front to present a clean face up the edges. I think I can fix it by gluing a layer of wet paper over the top of the offending blocks (like papier mache).


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Pretty creative. Nice use of homemade product.


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82Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:29 pm

I'm a gear-oriented person. I like making and collecting miniature objects but aren't much interested in figures and don't have many in my collection. I've been so fixated on making the equipment that I haven't thought much about a suitable blacksmith figurine. I can make a leather apron but I'll have to buy the rest. If anyone has suggestions for reasonably-priced figures and/or costumes, please post them here.


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83Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:12 pm

I am so impressed with all your ingenuity! Words can't express..... except to say I WANNA SEE IT FINISHED! LOL

Honestly though, love the way you made bricks so much, I think I'm going to give that a try! I think it'd make a great rock wall or slump stone perhaps?

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84Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:16 pm

Wow. Impressed as hell with the look of those stones! Psyched to see this finished.


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85Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:47 am

Bloody clever idea and great result using recycled paper to get that realistic stone effect!

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86Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:58 pm

Very creative how you did that! and well, the whole thing really -- your skills are incredible!

I hadn't seen this thread yet, so I'm glad you updated so I could catch up. Smile

As to your question, are you looking for a ready-made figure (as in, with head and body) that you can modify, or do you want recommendations for specific heads, bodies, etc? I ask as it's harder to recommend the latter without knowing what physical appearance you are aiming for.


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87Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:53 am

skywalkersaga wrote:As to your question, are you looking for a ready-made figure (as in, with head and body) that you can modify, or do you want recommendations for specific heads, bodies, etc? I ask as it's harder to recommend the latter without knowing what physical appearance you are aiming for.

I'm thinking 18th-19th century rural clothing. I'm really just asking for suggestions. I'll know what I want when I see it.


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88Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:56 am

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skywalkersaga wrote:As to your question, are you looking for a ready-made figure (as in, with head and body) that you can modify, or do you want recommendations for specific heads, bodies, etc? I ask as it's harder to recommend the latter without knowing what physical appearance you are aiming for.

I'm thinking 18th-19th century rural clothing. I'm really just asking for suggestions. I'll know what I want when I see it.

Not much around for that period, mostly Napoleonic Wars related or ACW both being military, Some civilian but character specific for films, famous leaders etc.. Your best bet is the good old fashioned ebay hunt, type in 1/6 trousers or pants THEN JUST GO THROUGH THE LISTING UNTIL YOU SEE WHAT YOU WANT, REPEAT FOR BOOTS, SHIRTS ETC.. oops got caps stuck on there. There is a seller who specialises in more unusual period clothing for 1/6, some of it is garbage and overpriced other bits are stuff that is quite rare and has okay prices, he used to be in the UK but moved to Bulgaria; I've been buying from him for years to get odd things for historical, fantasy and even sci-fi builds: BlackAshKitBash

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89Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:59 am

Well, I mean, wouldn't a blacksmith normally be wearing very little due to the heat?

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90Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:13 am

Peaches wrote:Well, I mean, wouldn't a blacksmith normally be wearing very little due to the heat?

Only if he liked getting burnt all the time!!

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91Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:43 am

Ah, I'm showing my ignorance! I was just watching too much Game of Thrones, LOL

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92Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:11 pm

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I don't know how I came to miss this thread, and forgive me for having done so.

This is amazing, and some of the best craftsmanship I've seen in this forum. So well done. Really looking forward to seeing how this turns out.

CHEERS!

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93Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:49 pm

It came together ok. I'm not happy with the paint job but it will do for now. The construction looks simple but there are over 60 hours in this.

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It looks amazing. You’re doing great on this.


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95Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:39 am

Wow, that looks seriously awesome!!! Definitely better painted, looks so solid!

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Looking so awesome, very impressive!


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97Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:16 pm

I actually love the paintjob. This looks incredible! I know you said you're way more focused on the gear than the figure, but I so want to see a figure in there for scale, working this beautiful beast. So Impressed!


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I think it looks very realistic. But I am sure you will perfect it further. Well done.


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99Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:09 pm

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ReverendSpooky wrote:I actually love the paintjob.  This looks incredible!  I know you said you're way more focused on the gear than the figure, but I so want to see a figure in there for scale, working this beautiful beast.  So Impressed!

So would I.

If you haven't seen it, shazz (though I'm sure you have), here's an interesting link with period sketches and paintings:

https://gulfcoastblacksmith.com/discoveries-gallery/paintings-and-sketches/

Here's some cool images I found of blacksmith's shop, etc. (some recreations -- probably from Colonial Williamsburg) that you may find useful:

A recreation of a 19th century blacksmith shop:
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An 18th Century recreation:
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18th Century Venetian painting:
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18th Century recreation:
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19th Century blacksmith shop:
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19th Century wrought iron nail headers:
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Better shot of the 19th century blacksmith shop:
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1800s blacksmiths photograph:
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1900s blacksmith rendering:
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Colonial Williamsburg, circa 1944:
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Partial reconstruction of the early 20th century blacksmith shop of John Stueflat:
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Recreation of blacksmith shop:
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Colonial Williamsburg recreation:
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Photo of real blacksmiths, date unknown:
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I'm pretty sure this drawing is in the link I provided, with the date:
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As far as figures -- if you ever get to that point, I found some heads that you may find appropriate:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EASY-SIMPLE-1-6-Scale-Global-responders-GRS-Head-Sculpt-F12-Male-Toys-Action/173184942753?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-1-6th-Bearded-Head-Sculpt-For-12-Male-Doll/132875748804?hash=item1ef00305c4:g:36AAAOSwsupb3EsD:rk:33🇵🇫0


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100Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop - Page 2 Empty Re: Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop on Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:39 pm

Man, those are fun pictures!

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