Scratchbuild - Blacksmith's workshop

shazzdan wrote:I could have just made a mock-up but I wasn't going to be happy till I had some bellows that actually worked. The furnace is the last piece of the puzzle. I think I've worked out a neat way to make textured stone blocks using nothing but paper.

shazzdan wrote:Yeah, tried that. The texture isn't what I want.

PureEnergy wrote:Have you given any further thought as to what period you’ll be modeling?  

Crucibles?  

How to replicate metallurgical transmutation in process?  


You’ve certainly begun an ambitious project.  Nevertheless, by the look of those bellows, I’m confident that this will be nothing short of spectacular…  


How about black polyethylene for charcoal?  Clumps of dried, textured paint?  

I suppose that your decisions for such will be dependent in practicality upon the base of the structure and your particular vision of the finished product…  

So…


Will you pick a period?  

Eh?  

Will you?  

Shazz!?  


Seriously, make a decision, would you?  

Will you?  


In the name of all that is holy would you please pick a period?

shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.

shovelchop81 wrote:

shazzdan wrote:Yeah, tried that. The texture isn't what I want.

High grit sandpaper works but is a bugger to paint, worth looking into a doll house catalogue or shop to get some of the correctly coloured stuff I remember them selling a long time ago. Or you could try rough sanding the foam pictured above? Will be interesting to see your paper method though.

PureEnergy wrote:Have you given any further thought as to what period you’ll be modeling?  

Crucibles?  

How to replicate metallurgical transmutation in process?  


You’ve certainly begun an ambitious project.  Nevertheless, by the look of those bellows, I’m confident that this will be nothing short of spectacular…  


How about black polyethylene for charcoal?  Clumps of dried, textured paint?  

I suppose that your decisions for such will be dependent in practicality upon the base of the structure and your particular vision of the finished product…  

So…


Will you pick a period?  

Eh?  

Will you?  

Shazz!?  


Seriously, make a decision, would you?  

Will you?  


In the name of all that is holy would you please pick a period?

shovelchop81 wrote:

PureEnergy wrote:Have you given any further thought as to what period you’ll be modeling?  

Crucibles?  

How to replicate metallurgical transmutation in process?  


You’ve certainly begun an ambitious project.  Nevertheless, by the look of those bellows, I’m confident that this will be nothing short of spectacular…  


How about black polyethylene for charcoal?  Clumps of dried, textured paint?  

I suppose that your decisions for such will be dependent in practicality upon the base of the structure and your particular vision of the finished product…  

So…


Will you pick a period?  

Eh?  

Will you?  

Shazz!?  


Seriously, make a decision, would you?  

Will you?  


In the name of all that is holy would you please pick a period?

Why should he have to? It's his build, he can do it any way he wants...(can't wait for your "intelligent" answer to this...)



It doesn't matter as modern Smiths often choose to do work in ancient, classic and medieval ways using all the tools and no electricity!  

shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.

shovelchop81 wrote:

shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.

I think it was just PE's way of friendly teasing, not trying to wind you up or piss you off

Mr. Razz wrote:

PureEnergy wrote:Have you given any further thought as to what period you’ll be modeling?  

Crucibles?  

How to replicate metallurgical transmutation in process?  


You’ve certainly begun an ambitious project.  Nevertheless, by the look of those bellows, I’m confident that this will be nothing short of spectacular…  


How about black polyethylene for charcoal?  Clumps of dried, textured paint?  

I suppose that your decisions for such will be dependent in practicality upon the base of the structure and your particular vision of the finished product…  

So…


Will you pick a period?  

Eh?  

Will you?  

Shazz!?  


Seriously, make a decision, would you?  

Will you?  


In the name of all that is holy would you please pick a period?

shovelchop81 wrote:

PureEnergy wrote:Have you given any further thought as to what period you’ll be modeling?  

Crucibles?  

How to replicate metallurgical transmutation in process?  


You’ve certainly begun an ambitious project.  Nevertheless, by the look of those bellows, I’m confident that this will be nothing short of spectacular…  


How about black polyethylene for charcoal?  Clumps of dried, textured paint?  

I suppose that your decisions for such will be dependent in practicality upon the base of the structure and your particular vision of the finished product…  

So…


Will you pick a period?  

Eh?  

Will you?  

Shazz!?  


Seriously, make a decision, would you?  

Will you?  


In the name of all that is holy would you please pick a period?

Why should he have to? It's his build, he can do it any way he wants...(can't wait for your "intelligent" answer to this...)



It doesn't matter as modern Smiths often choose to do work in ancient, classic and medieval ways using all the tools and no electricity!  

Exactly! Everything we do now is based off of what was done in the past...each generation adds their own take on a given skill...that's called "progress"...If you look at any good craftsman,no matter his/her field, they know about how things were done in the past and added to it...

shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.

Seems to me that Shazzdan KNOWS what he's talking about...

shovelchop81 wrote:

shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.

I think it was just PE's way of friendly teasing, not trying to wind you up or piss you off

No, he was trying to make himself come off as "superior"....But, honestly? Anyone can Google search anything and answer on a forum and appear knowledgeable..

PureEnergy wrote:

Mr. Razz wrote:

PureEnergy wrote:Have you given any further thought as to what period you’ll be modeling?  

Crucibles?  

How to replicate metallurgical transmutation in process?  


You’ve certainly begun an ambitious project.  Nevertheless, by the look of those bellows, I’m confident that this will be nothing short of spectacular…  


How about black polyethylene for charcoal?  Clumps of dried, textured paint?  

I suppose that your decisions for such will be dependent in practicality upon the base of the structure and your particular vision of the finished product…  

So…


Will you pick a period?  

Eh?  

Will you?  

Shazz!?  


Seriously, make a decision, would you?  

Will you?  


In the name of all that is holy would you please pick a period?

shovelchop81 wrote:

PureEnergy wrote:Have you given any further thought as to what period you’ll be modeling?  

Crucibles?  

How to replicate metallurgical transmutation in process?  


You’ve certainly begun an ambitious project.  Nevertheless, by the look of those bellows, I’m confident that this will be nothing short of spectacular…  


How about black polyethylene for charcoal?  Clumps of dried, textured paint?  

I suppose that your decisions for such will be dependent in practicality upon the base of the structure and your particular vision of the finished product…  

So…


Will you pick a period?  

Eh?  

Will you?  

Shazz!?  


Seriously, make a decision, would you?  

Will you?  


In the name of all that is holy would you please pick a period?

Why should he have to? It's his build, he can do it any way he wants...(can't wait for your "intelligent" answer to this...)

shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.

Seems to me that Shazzdan KNOWS what he's talking about...

shovelchop81 wrote:

shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.

I think it was just PE's way of friendly teasing, not trying to wind you up or piss you off

No, he was trying to make himself come off as "superior"....But, honestly? Anyone can Google search anything and answer on a forum and appear knowledgeable..

Actually, Chop had it correct.  

If taken in context, I suspect that my intentions being only sincere appreciation and lighthearted humor ought to be obvious to Shazz and to anyone else here.  


You know, there are likely articles about internet etiquette that you might perhaps consider reading, sir.  

Your comments are rather inappropriate...

Nah, I'd rather push bounderies...

Mr. Razz wrote:Nah, I'd rather push bounderies...

shovelchop81 wrote:Nice work Shazz! Won't the bellows pump handle extention burn?

shazzdan wrote:

shovelchop81 wrote:Nice work Shazz! Won't the bellows pump handle extention burn?

The handle is not in a fixed position; like the originals, it can be swung around to the left or right.

shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths don't use crucibles. Industrial smelters and blast furnaces use crucibles. Gold and bronze smiths use crucibles. I can't really see much difference between a 19th century blacksmith and a 14th century blacksmith. Tools are similar. Bellows are similar. The furnace is similar except that one uses charcoal and the other uses coal. The anvils are little different. The dowsing trough would be made of metal instead of wood. There would be a few more mechanised gadgets such as a grinding stone with a foot pedal instead of being hand-cranked.

shazzdan wrote:I thought that previous posts show that I'm pretty pedantic about historical accuracy. Every piece I've made has been modelled on actual artefacts. I honestly can't see any substantial differences between a 19th century blacksmith and a medieval one. I can have both by simply swapping out the primary anvil and making a few cosmetic changes.

shazzdan wrote:I thought that previous posts show that I'm pretty pedantic about historical accuracy...

shazzdan wrote:Blacksmiths never worked with anything except iron. Redsmiths worked with copper alloys. Whitesmiths worked with lead and tin alloys. Silversmiths worked with silver. Goldsmiths worked with gold. They all had their own separate guilds and there were rigid demarcation restrictions with breaches being punished with heavy fines or expulsion. Blacksmiths were often forbidden from making weapons, too. There was a separate guild for that, which usually required a special licence from the Crown.

PureEnergy wrote:

shazzdan wrote:I thought that previous posts show that I'm pretty pedantic about historical accuracy...

Well, yes, of course; we’ve even discussed your persnicketies about such directly, remember?  My take-away had been that, for you, there is a distinction between the historical and the fantastical which ought to be forthright, readily observable, and discernible, in earnest - and that that’s where you had said sprang your most particular pedantic discretion and frustration.  

This, though, being without a set period, seems to be skirting that line; are you reluctant to call it a fantasy project, per se?  Because I had really begun to hope that your lack of a specific would allow you the liberty to go a bit buck wild (your “Mad Scientist Gadgetry" certainly evidences your ability to pull off that kind of creativity with a sweetness).

Regardless of your decision, I’m sure that the result will be excellent - but you have to see the potential that this has as a fantasy piece...  


I’m not trying to put you on the spot here, nor am I telling you what you should or shouldn’t do - as such is absolutely your decision; but these key details which you’ve stated here seem to be of considerable substance to you; and yet, without a distinctly specified milieu - why not simply run amok with it?  

Again, it’s bound to be "fantastic" no matter what you do...