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A CROWN IS BORN../ The Hobbit Dwarves etc.. WIP's & Finished Builds Part 2

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Ephiane


Absolute masterclass armorsmith ! Laughing Thanks for showing and all the inspirations. The Orc itself naked, is just fantastic. What a shame to hide him behind that wonderfull armor. Wink

skywalkersaga


Everything is looking excellent, shovelchop!!  Smile


Lynkhart wrote:Random fact; the first LOTR film came out when I was 11, and me and my cousins were obsessed with it, going so far as to make our own home movie ‘trailer’ for it in the garden. It was, as you can imagine, utter crap, but to this day I still cackle at our reproduction of the infamous ‘hobbits hiding from the ringwraith’ scene, with my cousin in a halloween vampire cloak (with no hood and massive collar) and massive adult size gardening gloves as gauntlets. Laughing We thought it looked really convincing at the time. XD


LOL, this is brilliant, love it! The good ol' days of making home videos.....

shovelchop81


Stryker2011 wrote:That paint work looks excellent, Alex. And Christine, what an interesting site.

Cheers Stryker!

Lynkhart wrote:You mean not everyone has a bandsaw/tablesaw/fully kitted out workshop at their disposal?! Laughing
Honestly, the most expensive bit of kit I have is a dremel and I’m always slightly terrified of chopping off fingers each time I use it! It’s weird because I used to use a bandsaw all the time at college and felt completely at ease with it!

Oooh, I love the Twilight Witchking crown there!

Random fact; the first LOTR film came out when I was 11, and me and my cousins were obsessed with it, going so far as to make our own home movie ‘trailer’ for it in the garden. It was, as you can imagine, utter crap, but to this day I still cackle at our reproduction of the infamous ‘hobbits hiding from the ringwraith’ scene, with my cousin in a halloween vampire cloak (with no hood and massive collar) and massive adult size gardening gloves as gauntlets. Laughing We thought it looked really convincing at the time. XD

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Well some tinfoil on the gardening glove would have finished off the look very well, great picture either way! I have no videos or pictures when I was that age, I guess my parents do.

Ephiane wrote:Absolute masterclass armorsmith ! Laughing Thanks for showing and all the inspirations. The Orc itself naked, is just fantastic. What a shame to hide him behind that wonderfull armor. Wink

Thank Ephiane! I am only using a cheap (but hard to find now a days) black 12" Jak's Pacific WWE body that has lots of joints on show, The next one will be a Beserker using a seamless Anubis silicone muscle body and only wears a loin cloth, a helmet, some gauntlets, sandals and war paint! So you'll get your wish! lol!

skywalkersaga wrote:Everything is looking excellent, shovelchop!!  Smile


Lynkhart wrote:Random fact; the first LOTR film came out when I was 11, and me and my cousins were obsessed with it, going so far as to make our own home movie ‘trailer’ for it in the garden. It was, as you can imagine, utter crap, but to this day I still cackle at our reproduction of the infamous ‘hobbits hiding from the ringwraith’ scene, with my cousin in a halloween vampire cloak (with no hood and massive collar) and massive adult size gardening gloves as gauntlets. Laughing We thought it looked really convincing at the time. XD


LOL, this is brilliant, love it! The good ol' days of making home videos.....

Damn you guys must be young uns! I had absolutely no way of filming anything as a kid! The closest I had was Kodak disposable cameras.

shovelchop81


Final paint, a gloss clear coat, it was 50/50 whether to go with gloss or matte here but I liked the pictures of the statues I'm using for reference in gloss better than the matte finish; I also remember it raining in the movie at the beginning of the big battle in LOTR:TT but could be wrong! Wink After that I sorted through a lot of leather for most of yesterday (sorting fake brown leather from real brown leather) and chose the real leather pieces I wanted to use. I cut the leather on his jerkin at the front of his waist and all around his shoulders (still held together by the wax cord I used to sew the jerkin together) this allows for a huge improvement in articulation shown below. I also sorted through all my belt buckles and made custom leather straps that had to be painted to hide the lighter sides of the leather underneath and where it had just been cut. I'm now in the process of carefully attaching all the armour in a realistic way that won't hinder articulation.

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GubernatorFan

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Love the weathered paint and impressed by the leather work. I'm glad the armor, cool as it is, would not hinder articulation -- a very common problem, both in figure sets and I suppose to some degree in real life. I also think gloss was the right call.


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shovelchop81

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GubernatorFan wrote:Love the weathered paint and impressed by the leather work. I'm glad the armor, cool as it is, would not hinder articulation -- a very common problem, both in figure sets and I suppose to some degree in real life. I also think gloss was the right call.

Cheers GTF! Yeah I might even go with another coat of gloss on the armour. As for being restrictive in real life, not if you were fit and trained with it constantly, also the quality and design of the armour plays a huge part in how well it works and has to be made for you personally which is incredibly expensive!! Here is a clip of Matt Easton from Shcolagladitoria one of the top instructors of HEMA (historic European martial arts) and Tod Cutler a top tier weapons smith who also makes weapons for movies and tv like The Witcher etc.. he made the real steel unusual poleaxe copied from one he saw in the British Museum. Matt is wearing top of the range personally tailored, hand forged and hardened 15th century full plate armour (gorgeous!) and not the thin badly fitting stuff we can only afford on eBay!

shazzdan

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Cool video. His name is Leo Todeschini. "Tod" is his nickname. "Tod Cutler" is the name of his retail business. Matt and Tod both have their own series of videos on Youtube and both are worth watching.


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shovelchop81

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shazzdan wrote:Cool video. His name is Leo Todeschini. "Tod" is his nickname. "Tod Cutler" is the name of his retail business. Matt and Tod both have their own series of videos on Youtube and both are worth watching.

I know and have been watching them for years now Wink . In fact I remember 'Tod' or Leo (he introduces himself as Tod Cutler on his channel now a days) from when he would guest star as a judge/expert for 'Scrapheap Challenge' (one of my favourite shows ever!) and 'Beat The Ancestors' with Dick Strawbridge also from 'Scrapheap Challenge' .

Ovy

Ovy
Oh man beautiful what you did with all that leather, love that strapping.
The armor looks beautifully used, with all the recesses toned. That white hand is great.

So many parallels to the stuff I am doing atm. Although you are much faster.

Great video, and haha, Matt Easton! Just last week before I made my  pole axe I did some research too. I watched an Australian, American and British video.

-Australian: A funny guy sparring with his friend showing how to fight with pole axes, taking breaks for jokes and explanations.

- British: That guy named Matt Easton wearing a brigantine over his sweater plus sallet and enthusiastically talking for 26 minutes straight about Pole Axes.
(Then there was another video were he talks to that American historian living in London, playing with polearms at the Wallace collection)

- US of A: Strong people with American pole axes hacking, smashing, destroying severed pig heads, animal carcasses, plastic bottles, cars and watermelons in slow motion, to metallic rock music.

Another interesting channel for armor is Knyght Errand by a guy named Ian La Spina.

shazzdan

shazzdan
It is actually "poll axe". Poll means "head" and refers to the bludgeoning appendage on the back of the axe.

A brigantine is a two-masted sailing ship. The armour is called brigandine. It comes from "brigand", which means "soldier".

I loved Scrapheap Challenge as well. In memory of the Barley Pickers, I declare Shovelchop's Uruk-Hai to be a "proper job". Smile


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shovelchop81

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Ovy wrote:Oh man beautiful what you did with all that leather, love that strapping.
The armor looks beautifully used, with all the recesses toned. That white hand is great.

So many parallels to the stuff I am doing atm. Although you are much faster.

Great video, and haha, Matt Easton! Just last week before I made my  pole axe I did some research too. I watched an Australian, American and British video.

-Australian: A funny guy sparring with his friend showing how to fight with pole axes, taking breaks for jokes and explanations.

- British: That guy named Matt Easton wearing a brigantine over his sweater plus sallet and enthusiastically talking for 26 minutes straight about Pole Axes.
(Then there was another video were he talks to that American historian living in London, playing with polearms at the Wallace collection)

- US of A: Strong people with American pole axes hacking, smashing, destroying severed pig heads, animal carcasses, plastic bottles, cars and watermelons in slow motion, to metallic rock music.

Another interesting channel for armor is Knyght Errand by a guy named Ian La Spina.

I think I know the Knyght Errand(?) channel, an American guy right? Something just seems wrong watching an American discuss European history but not Australians, no idea why lol. Is the Australian guy Shadeversity? He's barking mad and a Mormon Pastor/Priest too! Another good channel is Metatron, he's Italian but it's in English, he really knows his Roman and Japanese history, weapons armour, he also speaks about nine languages including Japanese and Mandarin! I find this amazing and sort of hilariously ironic because when I toured Italy on my motorcycle many years ago no one spoke anything but Italian! I speak fluent Greek and rather bad French but even though both these countries border Italy no one could speak either language or English; I had to do a lot of drawing and waving arms, pointing etc.. to get anything! Fun times and an adventure back when I 18.

I loved Scrapheap Challenge as well. In memory of the Barley Pickers, I declare Shovelchop's Uruk-Hai to be a "proper job". Smile wrote:

Thank you sir! Ah yes they were great fun as a team and their leader certainly enjoyed himself and was great at blowing up truck engines!! I can't believe I've forgotten his name, what a character!

GubernatorFan

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If everyone still spoke (or at least wrote/read) Latin, we would be in business... Maybe the Italians were counting on that? Wink Just kidding. I recognize some of the channel/presenter names, too. Great to see you have been putting them to good use in your own builds, Alex.


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shovelchop81

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GubernatorFan wrote:If everyone still spoke (or at least wrote/read) Latin, we would be in business... Maybe the Italians were counting on that? Wink Just kidding. I recognize some of the channel/presenter names, too. Great to see you have been putting them to good use in your own builds, Alex.

Well it's more to do with my huge sword and melee weapons collection but I guess it translates well into the type of 1/6 builds I like to do too.

Armour all done with harnesses tight and in place. Started on the weapons that include his fist coverings, one side has the signature double prong stabby, stabby Wolverine like claws and the other has some spikes but the shield is a weapon in itself. You can see my real steel full sized hand made Uruk-Hai shield and machete/cleaver styled sword for reference in the pics below (I still need to get a helmet!).
Made a handle for this 1/6 shield using wood, metal boot tacks and fibre card reinforced with super glue; the straps are real leather with a metal buckle. I reinforced the vinyl sword with a thin metal spine to stop it drooping over time, the grip will be wrapped with real leather. Not sure about making a pike yet as I haven't spotted the right piece of wood lying around as of yet.. we shall see. Next will be the head i.e. hair, paint for eyes mouth and claws on hands and feet.

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GubernatorFan

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You have such talent for recreating metal out of everything else, and making it look like it. The character is practically done! Already looking great and grimey, although I can't wait to see the finalized look with the completed treatment to the head.


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Valiarde

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Wow shovelchop that looks great - really like out of the movie, nicely used look and dirty. Great chop - I will have to check more of your thread later. Time is always a thing I need more of.


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Theboo-bomb

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Wow look at that beautiful orc, fantastic weathering on the armor and on his outfit too, he's starting to look like he's wearing a few pounds of gear.


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shazzdan

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"Looks like meat's back on the menu boys!"


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shovelchop81

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GubernatorFan wrote:You have such talent for recreating metal out of everything else, and making it look like it. The character is practically done! Already looking great and grimey, although I can't wait to see the finalized look with the completed treatment to the head.

Thanks GTF! Well I build so much armour in 1/6 it would be rather embarrassing if I couldn't make it look like metal! Wink You realise the life size Uruk-Hai shield and sword are steel right? I got that distressed effect by leaving it out in the rain and pissing on it regularly! Very Happy

Valiarde wrote:Wow shovelchop that looks great - really like out of the movie, nicely used look and dirty. Great chop - I will have to check more of your thread later. Time is always a thing I need more of.


Thank you so much for taking the time to visit my thread Valiarde! I'm terrible at visiting other threads which I apologise to everyone out there for, I'm just (egocentric) so focused on building my stuff.

Theboo-bomb wrote:Wow look at that beautiful orc, fantastic weathering on the armor and on his outfit too, he's starting to look like he's wearing a few pounds of gear.

Thank you TBB! He certainly is wearing some very heavy armour (in a real world scenario), I have the steel shield (pictured above) and that alone weighs around 5kg! This is no fancy light weight Milanese armour like the Gondorians wear.

shazzdan wrote:"Looks like meat's back on the menu boys!"

LOL, not sure he'll get a chance to eat any before he's killed by 'magic' Elven arrows. Why didn't they use a repeating bolt thrower or something similar to defend against these guys in the movie or am I forgetting something?

(surprised you didn't call me out on this) His bevor/gorget was blocking his helmet from turning far too much so I've cut it back and folded it down, not a cool looking but now he can turn his head!

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A comparison to the figure that inspired the build or the top half at least! Wink

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Stryker2011

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That turned out amazing. All the work to put this guy together — from the body to the armor — is astounding. Well done, Alex.


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Lynkhart

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Ahhhh, he looks fantastic!! One question though, you’ve mentioned fibre card a few times and I’m still trying to work out exactly what you mean by that. Laughing It seems very useful!

That last picture is great, what you’ve got there are the two most famous subtypes of orc; the Uruk Hai…and the Uruk Low. XD

…I’ll get me coat.


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Lynkhart wrote:That last picture is great, what you’ve got there are the two most famous subtypes of orc; the Uruk Hai…and the Uruk Low. XD

…I’ll get me coat.

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shovelchop81

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Really didn't like the look of the modified gorget so I made him a new one that still allows the head to turn wearing the helmet with those long tusks, the gorget in this instance could be used as a weapon in its own right, pick up a puny human and bash his head against that spike it has and instant 'brain soup' in a "coconut!" Twisted Evil . Transferred the rivets to the new part, still needs paint but I'm painting all the weapons using the same colours needed now anyway. Talking of weapons, threw together a crude looking 'full metal' battle/breaching axe since these shock troopers would be at the front of the lines and first to any doors etc.. which is why I left the axe blade thick unlike a Dane axe etc.. as this would be used for bashing armour and wood/stone. I also popped into my tiny garden while the kettle was boiling and managed to find two virtually straight  sticks/branches that are the right diameter and length to make one of those crazy long pikes they use. Still not 100% sure how they would be used by a sieging army, I can only think they must be used (yes I've seen Skallagrim's  video on the  LOTR weapons and if they would be any good in reality, spoiler: the answer is yes except for Elven arrow tips and Gimli's double headed axe, his other axes are fine) to harry and impale any archers leaning over the parapets to shoot at a downward angle and also to help erect the siege ladders, defend them and be placed into the rungs at a shallower angle than the ladders themselves and the bottom of the pikes driven into the ground or held in place by soldiers to pin the ladders against the wall preventing them from being pushed back (even though the ladders also have the clever hinged boarding hooks like the Romans used on their ships). I hope that all makes sense, hard to explain without diagrams but that's my thoughts on why they went to the huge trouble of making all those hooked pikes. Where were all the trees that long and straight is the bigger mystery to me! Wink

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shovelchop81

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Stryker2011 wrote:That turned out amazing. All the work to put this guy together — from the body to the armor — is astounding. Well done, Alex.

Thank you so much Stryker! You've jumped the gun a bit as I still have plenty to do! Wink

Lynkhart wrote:Ahhhh, he looks fantastic!! One question though, you’ve mentioned fibre card a few times and I’m still trying to work out exactly what you mean by that. Laughing It seems very useful!

That last picture is great, what you’ve got there are the two most famous subtypes of orc; the Uruk Hai…and the Uruk Low. XD

…I’ll get me coat.

Groan.. Laughing As for the fibre card (that's what I call it) if you go back a couple of pages you'll see I did my best to explain what it is and what it's actually used for, no short answers I afraid Crying or Very sad Mad .

Stryker2011 wrote:
Lynkhart wrote:That last picture is great, what you’ve got there are the two most famous subtypes of orc; the Uruk Hai…and the Uruk Low. XD

…I’ll get me coat.

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Is that from 'The Fastlane' sketch show? Damn I was still doing my art foundation course in Bournemouth back then (hated the place full of snobs).

Okay here's the beginning of the 'Battle Of Helm's Deep' that feature these particular Uruk-Hai, amazing and confusing as to just how many pikes they have! And oh dear, someone yells 'fire' instead of 'loose' to the archers Rolling Eyes Mad which is just SO wrong, they're now even debating if historically any particular command was given apart from a superior or messenger from the front/command post just yelling 'archers'. 'Fire' obviously wasn't used until the age of guns and probably not until the British or French started using volley fire and organised shooting procedures.

shazzdan

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I was talking to some archery historians about fire/loose and they reckon that both are modern. One stems from the advent of firearms and other is a Hollywood affectation. According to them the command at the time was simply "shoot".


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GubernatorFan

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LOL, in their defense, at least at first "fire" was subtitle translation into modern English. I wonder what Tolkien wrote, if that detail goes back to him. At any rate, interesting. Dan's report makes sense.

Beautiful work, Alex, I love the new helmet too. And great to see it is going to be more functional. That is the thing about your builds -- accurate, sensible, and functional all rolled into one. Glad we got to see more of your glorious completed Uruk-Hai head, too. And apparently you improve 1:1 objects too, with organic approaches that might not be to everyone's taste. Wink


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shovelchop81

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shazzdan wrote:I was talking to some archery historians about fire/loose and they reckon that both are modern. One stems from the advent of firearms and other is a Hollywood affectation. According to them the command at the time was simply "shoot".

So more or less what I said then, although I believe once an instruction to start shooting was given whether it be a verbal command or more likely a visual one such as raising a flag/pennant or sounding a horn which would be much clearer, the archers then shot at will until a signal was given for them to stop, so their cavalry/infantry could move forward and to save arrows for direct line of sight engagement with the enemy as archers' volley fire is in reality more of a harassment to demoralise enemies and potentionly break formations than it is a lethal engagement like direct line of sight.

LOL, in their defense, at least at first "fire" was subtitle translation into modern English. I wonder what Tolkien wrote, if that detail goes back to him. At any rate, interesting. Dan's report makes sense. Beautiful work, Alex, I love the new helmet too. And great to see it is going to be more functional. That is the thing about your builds -- accurate, sensible, and functional all rolled into one. Glad we got to see more of your glorious completed Uruk-Hai head, too. And apparently you improve 1:1 objects too, with organic approaches that might not be to everyone's taste. Wink wrote:

Cheers GTF! Well it's a proven and reliable way to age metals, used by forgers and artists for centuries! All weapons apart from the pike are finished now, I have to steam the wood to make it perfectly straight which will be a new technique for me and I hope it works! I have an arrow straightening tool but that is for aluminium arrow shafts not wooden ones. Painted the eyes and teeth, hair next, also added more clear coat to all the armour etc.. and painted the claws white for now.

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That little gif of the “old guy” is actually from a Foo Fighters video, Alex.


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skywalkersaga

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Shovelchop works quickly, and it's all coming together so well!!!

I keep thinking about the mystery material, and the only thing I can think of that seems similar is perhaps some kind of stiff felt ?


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shovelchop81

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Stryker2011 wrote:That little gif of the “old guy” is actually from a Foo Fighters video, Alex.

Oh right, I was thinking of the weekly reoccurring skit in different scenarios from "The Fast Show" called 'I'll get me coat' , oddly the guy in your GIF looks like the actor in the skits!



skywalkersaga wrote:Shovelchop works quickly, and it's all coming together so well!!!

I keep thinking about the mystery material, and the only thing I can think of that seems similar is perhaps some kind of stiff felt ?

I know it's used for making curtain pelmets and milliners use it too in the process of hat making.

Just some updates, trying to straighten the wood by soaking it then clamping it to a radiator, painted weapons, armour, nails, eyes, mouth etc..

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Gloss is still drying and I still F***ing hate eyes!! Mad

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