Towards a definitive Huttslayer Leia (updated with Part V)

Just wondering would the S17B be taller/same size as the 1/6 sideshow General Grievous?

I presume the General Grievous is taller than an average 1/6 scale male figure, and therefore would certainly be taller than the s17b.

Here's one of GubernatorFan's pics that show its measurements:

Sky, while I did put in the two rulers, they are leaning on the background just behind the figure, and it is better to use the actual measurements indicated in the Catalog thread above (or under) the photo.

Correction -- in this instance I did not provide the measurements, but more detailed measurements were added by MeMyself&I in a follow-up post:

https://onesixthfigures.forumotion.com/t3013-tbleague-phicen-seamless-bodies-with-steel-skeleton-catalog-updated-continually#42206

I have that Grevious, and he’s well above the average figure height. I still haven’t messed with it much, since it’s scary fragile.

I would imagine Grievous is very fragile. Hope he doesn't meet with any problems when you finally set him up. Perhaps he can take over Jabba's robotic staff? Then again, Leia never met Grievous, did she?

GubernatorFan wrote:I would imagine Grievous is very fragile. Hope he doesn't meet with any problems when you finally set him up. Perhaps he can take over Jabba's robotic staff? Then again, Leia never met Grievous, did she?

I actually picked him up for my own Star Wars universe; my plan was to paint all the “white” parts a different color to remove any connection to his original purpose; but with how delicate he is, and with the really well done subtle color variations on those parts, I’m reluctant to change it. We’ll see. If I play around with him some more and get used to how to work him without fear of breaking it, I may just change my mind and paint him up.

GubernatorFan wrote:

Illusion wrote:Thanks for the comprehensive review! further glimpses of your impressive collection of multitudes of characters

You are very welcome, and thank you for the kind words. Well, just one character this time. ...

I had been refering to the various heads of Leia - as opposed to your usual presentation along with some company...
I suppose you rarely have just one incarnation of a character

I've seen some 1/6 Leia heads on aliexpress called TT Toys would they be better replacement if one doesn't have endor HT head?

Good review! I ended up getting my pre-order earlier this week. I am probably going to replace the chain links around the skirt (at least have a quick release link to put the skirt on and off). The bikini top is also an issue (I might have to add some cord locks).

Illusion wrote:I had been refering to the various heads of Leia - as opposed to your usual presentation along with some company...
I suppose you rarely have just one incarnation of a character

Ah, I thought that's what you meant, but wasn't sure. Well, when there have been a bunch of versions, if I happen to have a few, sooner or later I end up comparing them. For example, do a guick google search for onesixthfigures.forumotion.com and Three Gals, Four Rocks, and Five Goslings.

Nil wrote:I've seen some 1/6 Leia heads on aliexpress called TT Toys would they be better replacement if one doesn't have endor HT head?

When I get it, I'll report.

Nil wrote:I've seen some 1/6 Leia heads on aliexpress called TT Toys would they be better replacement if one doesn't have endor HT head?

Actually, mine came in today (I ordered the TT version of the Bespin Leia head). It is surprisingly good, even if not quite as perfect as the prototype or as beautifully painted as the HT original. Nor is it as good a color match for the TBLeague bodies as Mr Toys'. But it manages to look a lot more like Carrie Fisher/Leia. I've already given it a quick mod. Photos coming soon.

RexTachikoma wrote:Good review! I ended up getting my pre-order earlier this week. I am probably going to replace the chain links around the skirt (at least have a quick release link to put the skirt on and off). The bikini top is also an issue (I might have to add some cord locks).

Thank you very much. Glad you got yours and are going to be improving it. Feel free to share.

Thanks for this great review, Ian! Especially the comparison shots with the HT Endor Leia sculpt were very informative. It's pretty clear that Mr. Toys used a re-cast of this sculpt but messed up the paintwork quite dramatically. For me there are two obvious paint flaws on the head that kill the resemblance: The temporal hairlines are moved too far back (resulting in the massive forehead) and iris size seems slightly too small.

As the hair paint should be an easy fix, I decided to give it a try. My brush-skills at 1/6 scale are still no good, but I came up with this result:

CJ3A5153 by Randam Hajile, auf Flickr

I added about 2mm to the hairline at each side. It still needs another coat of matte varnish, but I overall see some improvement. So, I think that a more talented painter could get even more out of Mr. Toys' head sculpt.

I'm curious to see the pics of the TT head, as previous in-hand pictures of some Ebay seller were not really convincing.

Nice review GF. I am so tempted to use my HT Endor Leia HS, but I wanted to add earrings. I don't have the guts to damage the paint on the HT HS. So I atm I am settled with the stock HS, which is quite good in my opinion except for that ugly sideburns.

I thought I'd share my Mr.Toys Leia here.

Mods done:
1) I dyed the S17B body to match the head skin tone
2) Added earrings


Comparison with the stock hand color:



I'm shadow_wolf from the collectorfreaks.

Thanks for sharing your process! It turned out really nicely.

And just out of curiosity, when you say you 'dyed' the body, do you mean you coloured it by 'painting' it with pastels?

Randam Hajile wrote:Thanks for this great review, Ian! Especially the comparison shots with the HT Endor Leia sculpt were very informative. It's pretty clear that Mr. Toys used a re-cast of this sculpt but messed up the paintwork quite dramatically. For me there are two obvious paint flaws on the head that kill the resemblance: The temporal hairlines are moved too far back (resulting in the massive forehead) and iris size seems slightly too small.

As the hair paint should be an easy fix, I decided to give it a try. My brush-skills at 1/6 scale are still no good, but I came up with this result...

I added about 2mm to the hairline at each side. It still needs another coat of matte varnish, but I overall see some improvement. So, I think that a more talented painter could get even more out of Mr. Toys' head sculpt.

I'm curious to see the pics of the TT head, as previous in-hand pictures of some Ebay seller were not really convincing.

Beautiful work, Ralf. The way I saw it, one of the problems was that the face looked too round, i.e., too wide, and I think that is what you identified with the hair line. I don't know it is all of the issue, but fixing this like you did definitely helps create a better likeness! Another area that might benefit from repainting (by someone braver than I) would be the make up and the area around the eyes. TT head (and mod) coming up.

Revanitez wrote:Nice review GF. I am so tempted to use my HT Endor Leia HS, but I wanted to add earrings. I don't have the guts to damage the paint on the HT HS. So I atm I am settled with the stock HS, which is quite good in my opinion except for that ugly sideburns.

I thought I'd share my Mr.Toys Leia here.

Mods done:
1) I dyed the S17B body to match the head skin tone
2) Added earrings

I'm shadow_wolf from the collectorfreaks.

Thank you very much, and welcome to this forum. I share your feelings on using/modifying the original HT head sculpts for this. Now maybe if I had an extra one lying around...   Your modifications worked beautifully. I thought the skin tone match was close enough (for the bodies I tried, anyway, perhaps mine are older and have a slightly darker "suntan"), but your subtle recoloring is excellent. The earrings look great, too, and I know how hard it is to get something seemingly this simple to work reasonably well, having just tried to make some myself. I think the result is a great improvement on the set.

skywalkersaga wrote:Thanks for sharing your process! It turned out really nicely.

And just out of curiosity, when you say you 'dyed' the body, do you mean you coloured it by 'painting' it with pastels?

I am wondering about that too, although they seem to be illustrated in one of the photos. But they look shinier than the oil pastels I know (unless they are in some sort of plastic wrap) and I'm not quite sure how to apply those to a brush.

Nice job Randam. I think the likeness looks better with your paint. I also like how you pulled the side burn hairs out. That's the biggest thing that bugged me about the sculpt (how it's just a piece stuck on the side).

Welcome to the forum Revanitez, she looks good on the 17b! Also nice work on the skin recolor!

Part IV: using and modifying the TT Toys Bespin Leia head

(for Part V, Towards a definitive Huttslayer Leia (?), see here)

As part of the discussion above, I revisited the TT Toys Leia heads I had long seen for sale on eBay. I had always passed them by, assuming there would be a huge drop off in quality from prototype (if that was not even simply a photo of the HT head) to actual product. I chanced it, to see if that head would do a better job for Hutt-slayer Leia than Mr Toys' did.

While it is not quite as subtle as the prototype shown in the promotional images, the TT Bespin Leia head turned out surprisingly good, and a better recreation of the HT version than Mr Toys'. I should point out two things. TT was not necessarily aiming to match any TBLeague body's skin tone, it was recreating the HT head; consequently, the skin tone is slightly darker and warmer, just as with HT heads. And keep in mind that the HT Bespin and Endor Leia heads are the same, apart from the additional hairpiece attached to the back and top of the head (the attachment is done the same way, but while the Bespin one is glued in place, the Endor one is meant to be removable to be able to put on a helmet).

Here is the TT head straight out of the box, placed on the S25B body wearing the Mr Toys outfit:





Clearly, if this is going to work, it would need modification. However, the head does seem to me to be a much better likeness of Leia/Carrie Fisher than the Mr Toys head, even if both are basically recasts of the same thing. Note also that the TT head has matched the finer and more detached "sideburns" of the HT heads, which is both more aesthetically pleasing, and more convenient for the customizer who is going to yank them off. Which is exactly what I did. But first, here is a comparison between the three heads:



On to modification. First, I took off the bun at the back. This was very difficult to do, as it was glued in place. In the end, I heated it up with a hair dryer, and sliced it off carefully with the utility knife. I then proceeded to carve out a bit of what was left stuck in the head, until I exposed the standard opening where the piece plugged in. It worked well enough (the carving process made the fit a bit more tenuous, but that was to be expected). Here is the result of this initial stage of the modification:





Second, I yanked out the sideburns, filled in the small holes where they had been attached with a tiny amount of green stuff, and used a utility knife to make tiny hair-like lines across the small surface, before painting it to match the hair color.

Third, the disparity of skin tone between the head and the TBLeague suntan body was too much for me, so I carefully applied a couple of layers of thinned out Vallejo mix over most of the face to make it paler. I also enhanced the make up a little bit, especially along the lower eyelids. The eyes are glossy (even if this is not captured well in my photos), but could have been glossier; perhaps something to do later.

Fourth, I also noticed that the bun, while correctly placed for Bespin Leia's hairstyle (which had a different bun, of course), was a bit too low for her Hutt-slayer look. Despite the convenience of attaching the bun in the same place, it did not look quite right, and could be fixed easily enough. So I carved out the plug section on the inside of the bun, and attached it a little higher on the head, provisionally using Sticky Putty.

Fifth, I made a couple of simple hoop earrings from gold- or brass-colored wire. I didn't want to drill holes in the earlobes (which are not particularly big), so I had to get the earrings to clip on without becoming too unshapely. Again, something that bears further improvement, but I think these would do for now.

The photos below all feature the TT head after the modifications described above (I'm not necessarily done modifying the figure as a whole); keep in mind that my efforts to stay away from a giraffe neck may have left to overcompensation in some photos; with a foamie replacing the inside neck connector (which was easily removable), the head is actually adjustable to any height needed -- one just needs to remember to do it :













I hope this was useful.

As always, what do you think?

(for Part V, Towards a definitive Huttslayer Leia (?), see here)

Nice mods, Ian. I like her as an Egyptian Queen in that last pic.

Randam and Revanitez (welcome, by the way) nice mods and upgrades.

skywalkersaga wrote:Thanks for sharing your process! It turned out really nicely.

And just out of curiosity, when you say you 'dyed' the body, do you mean you coloured it by 'painting' it with pastels?

Apology for not explaining it properly, yes I painted that body with soft pastels.

And to everyone, thank you for the kind words and the welcome

Revanitez wrote:

skywalkersaga wrote:Thanks for sharing your process! It turned out really nicely.

And just out of curiosity, when you say you 'dyed' the body, do you mean you coloured it by 'painting' it with pastels?

Apology for not explaining it properly, yes I painted that body with soft pastels.

And to everyone, thank you for the kind words and the welcome

No worries at all, I'm just always curious about people's methods. :')

And yes, welcome!

Stryker2011 wrote:Nice mods, Ian. I like her as an Egyptian Queen in that last pic.

Thank you very much, I'm glad you liked them. And she is about as accurate as an Egyptian Queen as any TBLeague pseudo-Egyptian, no?

WahT do I think? I think you really want a definitive 1/6 Slave Leia!

This is definitely the best iteration so far. The head sculpt is a good likeness, especially straight on.

Pretty good, the tailoring is very nice and the headsculpt to my knowledge is also good. Short strings on 1/6 scale items are the bane of my existence.

Xavion2004 wrote:WahT do I think?  I think you really want a definitive 1/6 Slave Leia!

This is definitely the best iteration so far.  The head sculpt is a good likeness, especially straight on.

Hah, true. If I were to have one, I'd want her to be pretty close. Since no major company has taken the challenge of making her at this scale, the third party results have been derivative at best and dubious at worst. So we keep trying. Glad you liked her!

Theboo-bomb wrote:Pretty good, the tailoring is very nice and the headsculpt to my knowledge is also good. Short strings on 1/6 scale items are the bane of my existence.

Thank you, glad you liked her. Short strings are horrid. Used to be they would provide extra long ones and you'd cut off the long ends if you meant to have a permanent look in place. On the other hand, functionality demands they stay long, hence the problem...

Stryker2011 wrote:I like her as an Egyptian Queen in that last pic.

Since I was doing more modifications on the figure for one last update, I came across an online article about this costume, which traced it to the works of Frank Frazetta, including a specific one, titled Egyptian Queen. Is this what you meant? If so, it flew over my head. Actually it seems like several of Frazetta's works were used as inspiration, the metal bikini coming from other examples.

https://www.thegeektwins.com/2014/02/15-interesting-facts-about-slave-leia.html

One of the many points that ALWAYS gets taken out of any discussion regarding this specific outfit was that Carrie herself was upset that most of Leila’s outfits were rather drab and nondescript, that made it impossible for her to be seen as a “woman”. While, yes, she felt she needed to work out a bit more to get into this outfit, she wasn’t at all unhappy with how she looked in it, despite how uncomfortable it was (hence her remarks — after the fact). Modern “politically correct” writers tend to ignore that fact in an effort to make it seem she was “forced” unwillingly by Lucas to wear it — which is utter bull$#@t.

Stryker2011 wrote:One of the many points that ALWAYS gets taken out of any discussion regarding this specific outfit was that Carrie herself was upset that most of Leia’s outfits were rather drab and nondescript, that made it impossible for her to be seen as a “woman”. While, yes, she felt she needed to work out a bit more to get into this outfit, she wasn’t at all unhappy with how she looked in it, despite how uncomfortable it was (hence her remarks — after the fact). Modern “politically correct” writers tend to ignore that fact in an effort to make it seem she was “forced” unwillingly by Lucas to wear it — which is utter bull$#@t.

Agreed. While I do get a little bit of a cringly vibe from it -- is overly revealing (although technically all the naughty bits are fully covered up), and perhaps naively so (which may be fairly common in the source fiction), in a cliche sort of way -- it does make sense as Jabba's sleazy fantasy, which is a comment on him, not Leia, and not what the filmmakers feel about women; if anything, they themselves are condemning this choice as Jabba's imposition on Leia (alongside with the whole captivity, dancing girl, eye candy, slobbering thing). Of course, how someone takes this out of context and what one does with it, good, bad, or indifferent, is another thing. It can also be pointed out that apparently, after asking for a sexy outfit, complaining about how uncomfortable it is, and so on, Carrie Fisher herself ended up defending it -- and her role in it -- when Disney tried to pull all merchandise referencing it. Also, while George Lucas asked for an outfit inspired by Frank Frazetta's art, it was ultimately designed by a woman, Aggie Rodgers, who has been interviewed on the subject. While I roll my eyes a bit at the (need for the) Hutt-slayer re-labeling, it is actually quite on the point. Even when captured and humiliated, the heroine can take action, and turn the tables on her oppressor, indeed eliminating him. And of course that would work even if the roles were reversed.

@Randam. Is that an S17B body?

@Revanitez. The stock head looks great in your pics. Did you mod on the head in any way?
To me the S17B looks like the best body for Slave Leia.

@GF. Nice to see actual pics of the TT toys. Since the skintone copied HT's, I hope it'll match the darker S12D body I'm using.
Your repainted TT Bespin head looks more "Leia" to me than HT Endor.

rollotomasi wrote:@GF. Nice to see actual pics of the TT toys. Since the skintone copied HT's, I hope it'll match the darker S12D body I'm using.
Your repainted TT Bespin head looks more "Leia" to me than HT Endor.

I'm delighted you liked it. More "Leia" than HT's!? That made my day. But TT did produce a very nice head, without which I would have been helpless. And, of course, that head was based on HT's.

I'll be posting another update (probably the last), with further modifications to the head, and a more substantial departure with the outfit. As for the bodies, I agree both S12D and S17B look nice for Leia, but I still cannot get over the height disparity -- even S25B might be ever so slightly too tall; but it is about right, and I was able to determine that it has the same slightly-less-than-seven head-to-body proportion with the TT head sculpt as the actual Carrie Fisher.